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Game Journalism - Unfit for purpose?

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Game Journalism - Unfit for purpose?

  • Wholly corrupt and self interested

    Votes: 74 37.6%
  • Slowly sliding into obsolence

    Votes: 40 20.3%
  • Marginally useful, some bad, some good

    Votes: 73 37.1%
  • Super, smashing, great, should implement dlc

    Votes: 4 2.0%
  • Apathy is Death!

    Votes: 6 3.0%

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Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#21
Aug 29, 2014
After the Zoe debacle I'm thoroughly disenchanted by the game media. There seems to be a culture that has latched onto my hobby, a 'scene', so to speak. How else could Zoe wriggle her tentacles so far? She made *contact* with a lengthy list of people in the indie community and a few professionals to boot. And who has the gall to question the lack of ethics? The gaming community and Internet personalities. I'm grateful for the likes of TB and AJ and the Internet Aristocrat, because everyone else is far too cuddly to say anything honest about their colleagues anymore. Gaming doesn't need the SJW brigade or hate mongers and brow beaters. It would exist without them and they aren't important to anyone but themselves and their fawning Facebook groupies.
 
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Cs__sz__r

Rookie
#22
Aug 29, 2014
@slimgrin: I was waiting for the Five Guys debacle to be brought up. It's been quite an interesting read, hopefully good comes of it.

Speaking of the incident above I saw a link to a YT video ripped off a part of Toronto news. The reporter and the "blogger" they interviewed were talking about the "rape" going on in GTA 5. The*reporter talked about graphic "scenes", so graphic they had to blur them out. The said scenes being hackers taking peoples pants off and dry humping them. The blogger, you know what I'll just go fetch the video in a second.

Anyways it seems that anyone who plays games nowadays is a damned blogger. I hate this video game society or culture they've created that's so, so hipster.

Article- http://m.citynews.ca/2014/08/25/virtual-rape-hard-to-track-in-online-gaming-police-say-2/
 
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Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

Forum veteran
#23
Aug 29, 2014
@Csàszàr: It's not like they don't have a point. Such kind of behavior is horribly disgusting, so what should those reporters say, that it's not disturbing?
 
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KingHochmeister

KingHochmeister

Forum veteran
#24
Aug 29, 2014
After the "Quinsipiracy" and how the media dealt with it with censorship and calling gamers as "Worse than ISIS!" and how well-known gaming personalities like Adam Sessler: a man I used to consider the prime example of what gaming journalism is, and finding out that he was a part of this crap as well ...

I have no faith in "Gaming Journalism" anymore, whenever I read an article on a major website, I skim through it now, I don't read them, they are all PR talk and sorry for saying this .... Bullshit.

Even youtube reviewers may fall to this trap, my source of well-trusted reviewers are very limited, which is a real shame, a growing industry like this needs proper JOURNALISTS, and I hope it gets them soon.
 
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Garrison72

Garrison72

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#25
Aug 29, 2014
Gilrond said:
@Csàszàr: It's not like they don't have a point. Such kind of behavior is horribly disgusting, so what should those reporters say, that it's not disturbing?
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They could try reporting on the positive aspects of gaming for once.
@King_Hochmeister. What was Sessler's role? I didn't know he was caught up in it as well. I know many folks think Phil Fish may have faked his site getting hacked, which is illegal. Not sure how that panned out.
 
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KingHochmeister

KingHochmeister

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#26
Aug 29, 2014
slimgrin said:
@King_Hochmeister. What was Sessler's role? I didn't know he was caught up in it as well. I know many folks think Phil Fish may have faked his site getting hacked, which is illegal. Not sure how that panned out.
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He was with Zoe Quin and Fool fish at a bar when the "supposed" hacking took place.

This broke my heart, man



Either he was really misguided like the most of the people backing up Quin and about the corruption in the gaming journalism, or that he was one of them all along.
 
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227

Forum veteran
#27
Aug 29, 2014
Fun tidbit for the unaware:

Google's ranking algorithm relies heavily on backlinks, so every time you link to something to show everyone how ridiculous it is, you're only helping that page (and on a lesser scale, the entire site) rank higher than a smaller game site that doesn't engage in clickbait or opinion pieces about social justice. With that in mind, is it really any wonder that the entire industry seems corrupt? We've effectively complained so loudly about a few big sites' deteriorating standards that we've made the little guys who do better virtually invisible.
 
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Cs__sz__r

Rookie
#28
Aug 29, 2014
Gilrond said:
@Csàszàr: It's not like they don't have a point. Such kind of behavior is horribly disgusting, so what should those reporters say, that it's not disturbing?
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I agree it's not a good thing but the point was the blatant misinforming. Saying that people are being raped. Come the hell on it was not rape, it was not graphic at all. No nudity, no nothing. The censoring of the act just just spreads the misinformation. A gamer sees that and probably knows there's nothing graphic about it. A parent might see that and, "oh my there's rape in video games".

Once again I don't agree with the act at all. But before you boot up an online game you should know there will be dicks and there will be hackers, even on consoles for the latter. Instead of freaking the hell out report them and move on. Instead a social justice crusade has to be started because 0.1% of a gaming population decided to be an assholes.

R.I.P. Adam Sessler, may you drown in your piles of money and cocaine.
 
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ReptilePZ

ReptilePZ

Wordrunner
#29
Aug 29, 2014
I'll be away for a while, but I leave you with this:

All acts forbidden under Polish law are also forbidden on forums.cdprojektred.com. This shall include but not be limited to the publication of posts the content of which could be construed as insulting to third parties or other users of forums.cdprojektred.com
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All users are required to state their opinions in a civilized manner
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#30
Aug 29, 2014
rhey said:
@Blothulfur
Objectively you are writing about very subjective things. I can't enjoy DA because of it's generic plot, uninteresting characters and boring "tactical" combat. In DA2 i saw improvement in each of those areas. Observing conflict between mages and templars is for me more interesting than killing a dragon. Fast and flashy combat is better than poorly executed tactical combat and cartoony companions are better than blank stereotypes. As I said it's all subjective. You can completely disagree with me. Possibly you are voicing the opinion of the majority here. But just because of that You can't claim that reviewers who just like me liked DA2 did a bad job. Some of them might have been influenced in one way or another but I'm sure that some of them really liked this game and ultimately review is a subjective opinion.
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Nope I am being objective Rhey.

Plot: Origins despite being generic was functional, DA2 was a clusterfuck, filled with plot holes, poorly written, no binding theme and a childish grasp of politics or even what makes a human tick. It was some of the worst plotting and prose i've ever seen, and i've read the Dragon Age novels, which I thought couldn't be topped in terms of poor writing. If you want examples of good plotting, narrative and themes binding these together simply play the Witcher's, they're head and shoulders above this. The plot is just poor, it's an objective fact, you might like it but that still doesn't wave away its faults. The templars and mages were both portrayed as idiots whom nobody reasonable would side with, Dragon fights stayed the same between games mostly, except with more waves in 2, and they have nothing to do with the infantile attempt to make these two sides interesting and nuanced, which failed massively.

Characters: I detest most of the squeeing simpering simpletons, spouting their moronic one liners that Bioware passes off as companions, they're over simplified caricatures aimed at the lowest common denominator. However at least in origins three of them stood out as useful informative and with some complexity, those being Morrigan, Shale and Sten. They were useful, had unusual personalities for Bioware, represented and introduced their point of view very well, those being apostasy, dwarven golemcraft and the Qunari, and also had unusual twists, such as Morrigans hidden agenda, Shale's gender and Sten challenge of your authority.

In comparison the idiots of DA2 had no reason for being with you or accepting your orders, yet came and went for years at a time at your say so, could not deal with any personal matter by themselves even courtship, abandoned jobs and responsibility to go squeeing and slaughtering with Hawke, you could not even talk to them unless they started a conversation, several of them could not even armour or dress themselves appropriately for the climate or combat occuring every ten feet in Berkwall. All told they were once again a significant degeneration, it's objective fact that they were much worse again.

Combat: The most boring, mind numbing clusterfuck imaginable. Kicked off every ten feet, with waves throwing themselves out of the sky and walls, while you yawned and popped another cooldown, then waited to do so again. To add insult to injury they removed finishers, implemented flashy childish animations to wow the ADD crowd and gave no other option to resolve encounters except through this painful tedium. Once again this is just objectively poor, if you liked it then you owe it to yourself to improve your taste with some good turn based like Jagged Alliance 2 or a fine hack and slasher like Severance: Blade of Darkness. After playing these you'll laugh at this clumsy abortion.

Edit: Sorry if any of this upsets you (though I don't know why it would?) but it's about time we stopped giving badly designed games praise, and judged their individual part objectively or strived to as much as possible. Certainly journalists have a duty to be objective not subjective, and no amount of arguing bias should excuse them failing to exercise journalistic impartiality and aiming for objectivity.

And if they are not objective to a large degree, then they are unfit for purpose and should recuse themselves if they have any ethics.
 
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volsung

Forum veteran
#31
Aug 29, 2014
I think it's universally agreed DA2 is the laughing stock of modern RPGs. It's like they were trolling us.

No one can objectively say DA2 was an improvement over anything or even decent by itself.

It is like the game equivalent of Manos The Hands of Fate: nonsensical plot, arbitrary events, cardboard characters who think they're cool... At least Torgo will live on.
 
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Cs__sz__r

Rookie
#32
Aug 29, 2014
ReptilePZ said:
I'll be away for a while, but I leave you with this:
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Alright! Dad's gonna' be out of town! Who wants to stay up all night and tell ghost stories?!


So on the DA2 objective-ness. I'll use an example from the thread:

Anders who realised he swings both ways all of a sudden now says he can't live without Hawke. Responses? I can't remember all three but one of them was, "I'm hungry". Who in the actual fuck would say that?!

Next time a woman propositions me or says something endearing I'll just let her know I'm really craving a cheeseburger.

Edit: Looks like Dad forgot to leave us money for pizza. Aw man.
 
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dragonbird

Ex-moderator
#33
Aug 29, 2014
'K, a diversion into DA2-hate is always fun, but time to get back to game journalism maybe?
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#34
Aug 29, 2014
I shall button me lip.

Erm can you edit Titles in the new forum? I accidentally put an exlamation instead of a question mark, can't seem to change it.
 
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EliHarel

Rookie
#35
Aug 29, 2014
Besides TotalBiscuit, what other sources do you guys recommend? Be them sites or YouTube shows.
 
KingHochmeister

KingHochmeister

Forum veteran
#36
Aug 29, 2014
eliharel said:
Besides TotalBiscuit, what other sources do you guys recommend? Be them sites or YouTube shows.
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ElderGeek.
 
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Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#37
Aug 29, 2014
It took a lot of digging, but this illustrates how Anita has unwittingly taken a page out of Jack Thompson's playbook. Of course you wouldn't find an article like this on IGN, Gamespot or Kotaku. Too sensible.

http://www.gamerheadlines.com/2014/08/another-take-anita-sarkeesian-whos-blame-madness/
 
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rhey.565

Senior user
#38
Aug 29, 2014
@Blothulfur
Sorry if any of this upsets you (though I don't know why it would?)
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You seem to be upset about people who "wrongly" like something. :p
If all those things are so objective then answer a simple question: How many points should be taken from the final score for "generic plot" and how many for "cartoony characters"? Mathematical equation illustrating process of reviewing also would be nice.
 
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volsung

Forum veteran
#39
Aug 29, 2014
rhey said:
@Blothulfur

You seem to be upset about people who "wrongly" like something. :p
If all those things are so objective then answer a simple question: How many points should be taken from the final score for "generic plot" and how many for "cartoony characters"? Mathematical equation illustrating process of reviewing also would be nice.
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I would say you can approximate objectivity by the sum of exponential differences between expectation and observation multiplied by their relevance probability distribution for each sample, in the finite horizon limited by your tolerance threshold.

Let omega be your objectivity function. Compute score with a linear combination of omega evaluated in each point weighted by a relevance function, whose value may depend on the game genre. Ie story is heavier in RPG than racing, etc.

This is an unpublished theory and you're welcome to provide mathematical proof of its inadequacy.

:)
 
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rhey.565

Senior user
#40
Aug 29, 2014
@Volsung
This is an unpublished theory and you're welcome to provide mathematical proof of its inadequacy.
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All arguments against such theories would be philosophical. :hmm:
 
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