Me upset? Naw i'm off for weekend, got a full gut and just knocked froth off a few, i'm as happy as a pig in shit. I'm just telling truth about game while trying not to step on anybodys toes. But DB says to shut it so i'm doing so pal, their gaff, their rules. Ta ta.@Blothulfur
You seem to be upset about people who "wrongly" like something.
If all those things are so objective then answer a simple question: How many points should be taken from the final score for "generic plot" and how many for "cartoony characters"? Mathematical equation illustrating process of reviewing also would be nice.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/08/29/s-exe-fk-everything-rnsfw/
“Fuck who you want, and fuck who you like.”
...and also whoever will help your career.
“Fuck who you want, and fuck who you like.”
...and also whoever will help your career.
What a carefully orchestrated plan.... journalists now tell everyone they hate "gamers" apparently, AT THE SAME TIME! I'll just copy-paste the post from /v/ since I don't want to rewrite it and it's just collated data. Game journalism has never been good, I cannot recall ever thinking IGN is good or any other site is "good" but this is just taking it to the next level. Anyone else feel like distancing themselves away completely? I sure as hell do.
I don't think, we really have a thing such as game journalism.
I don't trust any of the classical "journalists", cause they are all biased and don't want to report on problems or controversies for the most part, but rather lend a voice to the publishers and developers, so that they can get benifits from them. That can be seen by the awards they give themselves sponsored by the publishers, all the hype pieces that they write and the common goal to stay on their good side, to get goodies and extras. Most of them are rather fans than people that feel they have a duty to inform the crowd (or they just sell themselves out, cause they don't care).
Then we have all the regular people that are mostly enthusiasts as well, writing about the things they love. Nothing wrong with that. Most don't claim to be objective. And some of them are even more discriminate than the so called journalists.
And then we have a third cathegory of independant reviewers (or first impressions like TotalBiscuit), that come the clostst to journalists.
I think, the best thing to do, if you want to read through all the written pieces about a game is, take all the negative points they make and evaluate them and decide on that basis. Ignore the positive points. You will find more truth in that. But of course still take them with a grain of salt.
The sad thing is, that there are two few outlets that will do good researched and informed pieces about topics and controversies.
But well we know that most of the time even journalism in mainstream media does not hold up to its standards and is often not objective or critical enough. But there, especially in politics, I feel going for smaller news sites or journalists is often even more dangerous, cause they will be even more opinionated. Well if most media and news outlets are owned by the same people/companies, who can be surprised...
I don't trust any of the classical "journalists", cause they are all biased and don't want to report on problems or controversies for the most part, but rather lend a voice to the publishers and developers, so that they can get benifits from them. That can be seen by the awards they give themselves sponsored by the publishers, all the hype pieces that they write and the common goal to stay on their good side, to get goodies and extras. Most of them are rather fans than people that feel they have a duty to inform the crowd (or they just sell themselves out, cause they don't care).
Then we have all the regular people that are mostly enthusiasts as well, writing about the things they love. Nothing wrong with that. Most don't claim to be objective. And some of them are even more discriminate than the so called journalists.
And then we have a third cathegory of independant reviewers (or first impressions like TotalBiscuit), that come the clostst to journalists.
I think, the best thing to do, if you want to read through all the written pieces about a game is, take all the negative points they make and evaluate them and decide on that basis. Ignore the positive points. You will find more truth in that. But of course still take them with a grain of salt.
The sad thing is, that there are two few outlets that will do good researched and informed pieces about topics and controversies.
But well we know that most of the time even journalism in mainstream media does not hold up to its standards and is often not objective or critical enough. But there, especially in politics, I feel going for smaller news sites or journalists is often even more dangerous, cause they will be even more opinionated. Well if most media and news outlets are owned by the same people/companies, who can be surprised...
They have an easy target to thrash, and that's what they're doing. So now ALL gamers are bad and we should all be ashamed.
These are very small, petty people. No other way to describe them.
These are very small, petty people. No other way to describe them.
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Game journalism - noun - the art of bringing about social equality by making you hate everything and everyone equally.
My favorite argument out of those articles is that no one has any right to criticize game journalism because it's just like people telling you all about that cool new Star Fox commercial when you were growing up. Only, you know, they weren't paid. And they had like 5 games. And they didn't pretend to be journalists. And they were ten.
My favorite argument out of those articles is that no one has any right to criticize game journalism because it's just like people telling you all about that cool new Star Fox commercial when you were growing up. Only, you know, they weren't paid. And they had like 5 games. And they didn't pretend to be journalists. And they were ten.
Rape and death threats, hate and death threats, sorry which side is which again, and who's representing fair, impartial, objective cirticism in the midst of this?
Ha, those ticks feed off gamer outrage. As soon as any of the so-called feminist sites has something to say about actual real-world problems going on right now instead of nattering about a junior high clique war and the toils and tribulations of a YouTube celebrity, I'll give a fuck what they think about gamers.
I don't know what they think they're defending. I hang out in gamer forums and talk to gamers on Twitter, and it's the usual mix of internetz- mostly civil to the point that it would be boring to any outside observer. I have no trouble ignoring 4chan and the more sensationalized aspects of gaming. I think they're exaggerating these things to garner attention to their own pathetic little blogs.
Lolollolol, equality because that's totally the same as ethics and cronyism.
Very good Co-Optional Podcast again this week, also touching on this subject (1:17:29):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cf7i0z2Zi7U#t=4649
(Hm, how do you get the starting time to work in the embedded video?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cf7i0z2Zi7U#t=4649
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Now let's wait for Kotaku or Gawker top guy to come and stand up against their contributors.So the pot is stirring afterall, good news I suppose. I don't imagine a movie reviewer talking shit about his audience or any other industry would fly and yet it does here apparently.
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Yeah, that's my view on it. And fair, impartial, objective criticism in the midst? Actually, some of the professional commentators. Erik Kain over at Forbes, TotalBiscuit's first video (although it didn't seem to stop him from being condemned).
It's the worst kind of internet outrage - everyone just hating, and it doesn't matter if it ruins lives of real people.
And I think that a few organisations are going to be tightening up their review processes for outside contributors this week. The Escapist in gaming, Kaspersky on privacy. A bad week for lazy editorial standards.
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Same goes for Zoe Quinn, and all other specific individuals involved in that particular controversy.
What's the deal with Sarkeesian, anyway? I don't get all of the hate toward her. Sure, she seems pretty biased, but her name takes people from zero to facestab in a matter of seconds. If she's wrong about things, shouldn't it be possible to prove her wrong without the rage? Doesn't the vitriol undercut the point? Even if she was a con artist and whatever other charges people have levied at her (and I sincerely doubt any of it is true, even if the videos have their flaws and borrow footage without attribution), would it really matter? You can't un-Kickstarter something. At best you can try to steal some of it back, and that would officially make you the worst Robin Hood in existence.
It's just frustrating; I keep seeing her name mentioned in comment sections and it completely derails things away from the corruption-in-game-journalism elements that everyone should be focusing on. I was hoping that game journalism burns down over this recent bit of drama, but the ADHD-addled internet squirrels can't resist the shinykeesian long enough to actually start the fire. It just gives the writers more time to distract us back to the status quo before anything is able to change.
It's just frustrating; I keep seeing her name mentioned in comment sections and it completely derails things away from the corruption-in-game-journalism elements that everyone should be focusing on. I was hoping that game journalism burns down over this recent bit of drama, but the ADHD-addled internet squirrels can't resist the shinykeesian long enough to actually start the fire. It just gives the writers more time to distract us back to the status quo before anything is able to change.