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Game Journalism - Unfit for purpose?

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Game Journalism - Unfit for purpose?

  • Wholly corrupt and self interested

    Votes: 74 37.6%
  • Slowly sliding into obsolence

    Votes: 40 20.3%
  • Marginally useful, some bad, some good

    Votes: 73 37.1%
  • Super, smashing, great, should implement dlc

    Votes: 4 2.0%
  • Apathy is Death!

    Votes: 6 3.0%

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eLeF1

Senior user
#1,741
Jan 31, 2015
Blothulfur said:
The SJF's have been against free speech and pro censorship from the beginning, and spit on any attempts at civil discussion, claiming that it is all harassment. They're bigoted fanatics.
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What would you expect? They even scare other women from joining game industry.

 
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wichat

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#1,742
Jan 31, 2015
@Dunyyy Do you mind if I sum my thoughts up ?.

 
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darcler

Senior user
#1,743
Jan 31, 2015
To this very day I'm not entirely sure what #GamerGate really is, why should it be so publicized, and why it should be of any relevance to international audience.
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#1,744
Jan 31, 2015
In short it's a consumer revolt against many years of an unfit for purpose games media, asking for objectivity, ethical behaviour and integrity. In response twelve game journalism sites made a co-ordinated attack against all the millions (billions?) of folk who play game recreationally, of whatever race, gender or belief, accusing all of them of being sexist, mysoginistic, racist, terrorists and harassers etc. Obviously this was called out as being bullshit, but the corrupt media continue to demonise us and are now claiming that games affect real life behaviour and are dangerous, despite no study ever proving this in any way.

Even shorter a bunch of corrupt, bigoted arseholes who hate and fear consumers are attacking them for pointing out that they're not doing their jobs, and the consumers object to being demonised and insulted for things they're innocent of and for simply using their spare time on a certain method of recreation.
 
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Damariel

Forum veteran
#1,745
Jan 31, 2015
pretty much what Bloth wrote...

darcler said:
why it should be of any relevance to international audience.
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You extinguish fire when its starts, because later you can watch whole house burning down.

 
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darcler

Senior user
#1,746
Jan 31, 2015
Damariel Alunnar said:
You extinguish fire when its starts, because later you can watch whole house burning down.
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Well, I dunno. It's not like the ranting has any real relevance for gaming community in my country, for instance. As I see it, it's basically one facet of the social clash happening in the anglophonic parts of the world. While I do entertain myself by consuming their media (including gaming ones), it's not like I'm dependent on them for either entertainment or information, and it's not like I'm even a part in the whole social war. And I see no good reason to get involved :p
 
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Damariel

Forum veteran
#1,747
Jan 31, 2015
darcler said:
Well, I dunno. It's not like the ranting has any real relevance for gaming community in my country, for instance. As I see it, it's basically one facet of the social clash happening in the anglophonic parts of the world. While I do entertain myself by consuming their media (including gaming ones), it's not like I'm dependent on them for either entertainment or information, and it's not like I'm even a part in the whole social war. And I see no good reason to get involved :p
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And stay like this as long as you want and can.... neutrality isn't a bad thing (says Pro GG person). You have your own mind and can make your own decisions. And that's what some parts of #GamerGate are fighting for. So let people fight for your right to ignore them....to be sure that nobody will try to hide the truth and facts from you in future.
 
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darcler

Senior user
#1,748
Jan 31, 2015
Damariel Alunnar said:
to be sure that nobody will try to hide the truth and facts from you in future.
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So you intend to change humanity? :p
 
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Damariel

Forum veteran
#1,749
Feb 1, 2015
darcler said:
So you intend to change humanity? :p
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Heh don't be silly ;]... change "humanity" with "gaming media ethic policy".

[video=youtube;dC7-6o4LkPQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC7-6o4LkPQ[/video]
 
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darcler

Senior user
#1,750
Feb 1, 2015
Damariel Alunnar said:
Heh don't be silly ;]... change "humanity" with "gaming media ethic policy".
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Still, people will be people, gaming media or not, and thus there will always be those wanting to 'hide truth and facts' :p I believe better idea would be to simply take whatever someone's telling you with a grain of salt. Trust no one :p
 
Damariel

Damariel

Forum veteran
#1,751
Feb 1, 2015
darcler said:
Trust no one :p
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And enjoy being lonely in the future.
 
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darcler

Senior user
#1,752
Feb 1, 2015
Damariel Alunnar said:
And enjoy being lonely in the future.
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You'd have a nice hat, though.
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#1,753
Feb 1, 2015
In a way Darcler is right, we should always be critical and hold caveat emptor as a wise precaution, but expecting games journalism (and journalism in general) to perform the function it was created for is not fucking unreasonable, it's the least we should expect.
 
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wichat

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#1,754
Feb 1, 2015
but deepen, contrast and be critical should not be exclusive of journalism.
 
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darcler

Senior user
#1,755
Feb 1, 2015
Blothulfur said:
expecting games journalism (and journalism in general) to perform the function it was created for is not fucking unreasonable, it's the least we should expect.
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In all honesty, I fear it would be wishful thinking. I might have joked in my earlier post, but in fact I do suggest having a reasonably skeptical approach to whatever one reads (not only game reviews).

Part of the problem, I think, is that there's the expectation that game reviews will be written by journalists, while it's not a journalistic job at all. A review is a critical work of deconstruction and analysis, and the person doing the work must be deeply intimate with all the aspects that make the final whole. Other, more established crafts, like film, music or literature, are criticized at a level vastly superior to what we have in games media. Still, since what general gamers public wants are essentially buyer guides, that will never change as long as there's no demand for more serious, in-depth works of critical thinking.


EDIT: @wichat exactly what I wanted to express above :)
 
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Damariel

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#1,756
Feb 1, 2015

#GG is number 1.
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#1,757
Feb 1, 2015
darcler said:
In all honesty, I fear it would be wishful thinking. I might have joked in my earlier post, but in fact I do suggest having a reasonably skeptical approach to whatever one reads (not only game reviews).

Part of the problem, I think, is that there's the expectation that game reviews will be written by journalists, while it's not a journalistic job at all. A review is a critical work of deconstruction and analysis, and the person doing the work must be deeply intimate with all the aspects that make the final whole. Other, more established crafts, like film, music or literature, are criticized at a level vastly superior to what we have in games media. Still, since what general gamers public wants are essentially buyer guides, that will never change as long as there's no demand for more serious, in-depth works of critical thinking.


EDIT: @wichat exactly what I wanted to express above :)
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Personally I don't think it's wishful thinking, I think it's the minimum standard we should accept, and thus if we must rely on our own scepticism, analysis and deconstruction then the present form of game journalism is not just unfit for purpose but simply not needed. Thus the reason we are asking for something better, hopefully with an ombudsman to ensure codes of conduct and a focus on consumer representation, rather than the endemic corruption we see now. As a multi billion dollar industry it needs this.

Edit: To be honest Youtube and Twitch reviews, let's plays and WTF's are far superior as a buyers guide to anything that the traditional games journalism sites are producing, underscoring their uselessness.
 
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Damariel

Damariel

Forum veteran
#1,758
Feb 1, 2015
The thing is... if it will stay like this, youtubers will kill off gaming media in next 5 years (If gaming media will be lucky enough). Not like I care about it so much, but I just wish they would not discredit themself so much at it.

wichat said:
but deepen, contrast and be critical should not be exclusive of journalism.
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Well, nobody is naive enough to live without critical thinking.
 
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darcler

Senior user
#1,759
Feb 1, 2015
Blothulfur said:
Personally I don't think it's wishful thinking, I think it's the minimum standard we should accept, and thus if we must rely on our own scepticism, analysis and deconstruction then the present form of game journalism is not just unfit for purpose but simply not needed. Thus the reason we are asking for something better, hopefully with an ombudsman to ensure codes of conduct and a focus on consumer representation, rather than the endemic corruption we see now. As a multi billion dollar industry it needs this.
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Now there's the difference between how we'd imagine the minimum standard should be and the chances it indeed would become so. That's why I believe it's wishful thinking; not disagreeing with the should-be standards, but not really believing that it will happen.

On a side note: I don't indeed put much value on game reviews. At worst they would be insincere, corporate-controlled line, at best - statement of someone's preferences. Both are rather useless to me.

But is it really that different with the 'proper' journalism? I'm not talking gaming media, but about media in general. You watch your evening news or read a respectable newspaper: can you honestly tell me that I can simply turn off my critical thinking just because I'm consuming a well established medium? That I don't have to analyze what I'm being told and just take it on face value? As far as I'm concerned, that's not the right way, and I'm not even talking about ulterior motives or journalistic incompetence, but about mundane things like scope or context, or even human error. The only thing protecting you from becoming an info-thrall is your own, painstakingly earned knowledge and honest, critical thinking. You can't escape that, games media or not.
 
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wichat

Mentor
#1,760
Feb 1, 2015
Damariel Alunnar said:
Well, nobody is naive enough to live without critical thinking.
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Wonder how many people called....

 
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