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RAWH

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Jun 9, 2015
game made me depressed

I took the path where ciri dies without knowing and I was wondering if she didn't die, because I got really lost in the game an attached and now I'm really sad that she dies, and I was wondering if she survived and no one knows and hoping to be a quest to find her.
This made me really sad and I want a positive turn around on the game

I also don't wanna play the game anymore because it's a sad ending.
 
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Eesti

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#2
Jun 9, 2015
bad endings for bad witchers, everyone seems so depressed about that ending but its pretty easy not to get it, just do normal things and make other people feel good (ciri) and u get a good ending
however, who ends the game and gets the bad ending on the first run will be depressed forever and ever
 
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gabrielscunha

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#3
Jun 9, 2015
RAWH said:
I took the path where ciri dies without knowing and I was wondering if she didn't die, because I got really lost in the game an attached and now I'm really sad that she dies, and I was wondering if she survived and no one knows and hoping to be a quest to find her.
This made me really sad and I want a positive turn around on the game

I also don't wanna play the game anymore because it's a sad ending.
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Thanks a lot for putting the [spoiles] tag in your post (irony).
 
Riddlin

Riddlin

Senior user
#4
Jun 9, 2015
gabrielscunha said:
Thanks a lot for putting the [spoiles] tag in your post (irony).
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I thought we were in the SPOILERS thread...thats like saying, "thanks for taking your damn cloths off!" to someone as you both stand in the gym locker room (irony AND sarcasm)
 
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TudorAdrian

Senior user
#5
Jun 9, 2015
Remember the flashbacks (black & white ones) you got during the cutscene just before the final epilogue quest? You can go back to a save just before the Sabbath (hunting down Imlerith) and revisit those choices....you'll be able to get another 2 endings depending on the above choices (take Ciri to Emyr or not, take or leave Emyr's coin, snowball Ciri or drink with her, go with her to Skjall's grave or not, let her tear up Avallac'hs lab or put the necklace on her). Cheers! Come back once you've experienced all of them and let us know what you think of the overall story!
 
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Riddlin

Senior user
#6
Jun 9, 2015
RAWH said:
I took the path where ciri dies without knowing and I was wondering if she didn't die, because I got really lost in the game an attached and now I'm really sad that she dies, and I was wondering if she survived and no one knows and hoping to be a quest to find her.
This made me really sad and I want a positive turn around on the game

I also don't wanna play the game anymore because it's a sad ending.
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As Eesti said, you can get a better ending with not a LOT of effort. Try different things and if you can, drop back a few days in your save...maybe as far back as your first meeting and play from there. It'll be much less torturous on you than starting from scratch in the White Orchard. And good luck.

BUT, if it makes any difference...I got one of the BEST endings on my first play-through and I was too depressed to play again until some of the dialog flaws are corrected and streamlined...I have romance issues :) Like real life even!!!
 
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Costa417

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Jun 9, 2015
Riddlin said:
.I got one of the BEST endings on my first play-through and I was too depressed to play again
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I got the empress ending and i still got depressed :(

Riddlin said:
until some of the dialog flaws are corrected and streamlined...I have romance issues Like real life even!!!
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I feel exactly the same man...
 
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gabrielscunha

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#8
Jun 9, 2015
Riddlin said:
I thought we were in the SPOILERS thread...thats like saying, "thanks for taking your damn cloths off!" to someone as you both stand in the gym locker room (irony AND sarcasm)
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Yeah, thing is, this was a major spoiler, couldn't have hurt to put the damn tag.
 
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RAWH

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#9
Jun 9, 2015
Well I u didn't have to read it.

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Riddlin said:
As Eesti said, you can get a better ending with not a LOT of effort. Try different things and if you can, drop back a few days in your save...maybe as far back as your first meeting and play from there. It'll be much less torturous on you than starting from scratch in the White Orchard. And good luck.

BUT, if it makes any difference...I got one of the BEST endings on my first play-through and I was too depressed to play again until some of the dialog flaws are corrected and streamlined...I have romance issues :) Like real life even!!!
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ty man, I can load to where I found ciri, but I don't wanna waste time killing the generals and getting all my armour back lol
 
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leinad312

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#10
Jun 9, 2015
That must be a real bummer to get that ending on your first playthrough.
 
Sooxzay

Sooxzay

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#11
Jun 9, 2015
RAWH said:
I took the path where ciri dies without knowing and I was wondering if she didn't die, because I got really lost in the game an attached and now I'm really sad that she dies, and I was wondering if she survived and no one knows and hoping to be a quest to find her.
This made me really sad and I want a positive turn around on the game

I also don't wanna play the game anymore because it's a sad ending.
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Its simple. When she leaves for the Witche cold and has her flashbacks make sure they are good. She remebers about her short time with Geralt smiling 24/7 because of him and she will live. Then just tell emyr she died and you will get the best possible ending.

Ohh and dont forget to choose Triss! ;)
 
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trademarklas

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#12
Jun 9, 2015
Ah, post-game depression. I got a good ending and still ended up devastated once it ended just knowing that I'll never play this brilliant game for the first time again. Bravo, CDPR.
 
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Riddlin

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#13
Jun 9, 2015
gabrielscunha said:
Yeah, thing is, this was a major spoiler, couldn't have hurt to put the damn tag.
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Roger that...and I do practice safe-posting and I try to respect others but...he is new and he probably didn't think since [spoilerz] is in the title of the thread ;)
 
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Scholdarr.452

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#14
Jun 9, 2015
Eesti said:
bad endings for bad witchers, everyone seems so depressed about that ending but its pretty easy not to get it, just do normal things and make other people feel good (ciri) and u get a good ending
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I think you and me, we have a completely different perception on what "normal" means in this context.

I hate it how CDPR wants to shove down our throats their conception of a "good" upbringing and a "good" father-daughter relationship. And maybe, even if they have the right basic idea, the actual exection of the choice situations are just terribly done...

So it's definitely not his fault if he got the "bad ending". It's CDPR's fault.
 
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Riddlin

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#15
Jun 9, 2015
Sooxzay said:
Its simple. When she leaves for the Witche cold and has her flashbacks make sure they are good. She remebers about her short time with Geralt smiling 24/7 because of him and she will live. Then just tell emyr she died and you will get the best possible ending.

Ohh and dont forget to choose Triss! ;)
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You are such as Triss-ho :D I like it!!!
 
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luc0s

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#16
Jun 9, 2015
RAWH said:
This made me really sad and I want a positive turn around on the game
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The solution to your problem is simple: Reload an older save and this time don't make stupid decisions, then you'll get a positive ending.

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Sooxzay said:
Its simple. When she leaves for the Witche cold and has her flashbacks make sure they are good. She remebers about her short time with Geralt smiling 24/7 because of him and she will live. Then just tell emyr she died and you will get the best possible ending.

Ohh and dont forget to choose Triss! ;)
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You're wrong. The best possible ending is Ciri becoming empress of Nilfgaard and Geralt being with Yennefer. That's the best ending for everyone involved. ;)
 
Riddlin

Riddlin

Senior user
#17
Jun 9, 2015
Scholdarr.452 said:
I think you and me, we have a completely different perception on what "normal" means in this context.

I hate it how CDPR wants to shove down our throats their conception of a "good" upbringing and a "good" father-daughter relationship. And maybe, even if they have the right basic idea, the actual exection of the choice situations are just terribly done...

So it's definitely not his fault if he got the "bad ending". It's CDPR's fault.
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I don't want to argue with you...shessh, your abilty to write a wall of supporting data that could avalache over me at any moment means this fight would be totally unfair...HOWEVER...

I think as an old guy with a newly 5yo daughter, this story really had a lot of impact on me...I was emotional a lot when dealing with Ciri. I think they give the player options to be supportive, corrective and over protective! I think if Ciri was a little girl the over protective role would be what you would want to be as a father. But the storytellers here want you to realize, hell, Ciri is a grown woman! She has been on her own for a while and Geralt needs to trust her and back her play! THEN she will grow to be confident in her own abilities and BE an independent woman.

Of course I got that QUICK in the bits...even in dream it seemed you had two choices, be the buddy or be the ball-buster! That set the tone for when you actually meet back up with her.

I know with my daughter, I am 50 and she is 5...odds are I will not be around to see her turn 30...hell I am hoping for 20! Anyway, I am trying to build her up now, give her confidence and make her watch as much science and LOVE math as much as possible...last parts don't mean much I know but...I want her to be ready in life for anything and have the strength of will to do it...try it and know, if she fails I will be there to help her up always. I think THAT is what they were trying to impress on the player to get the 'good' ending.
 
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Scholdarr.452

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#18
Jun 9, 2015
Riddlin said:
She has been on her own for a while and Geralt needs to trust her and back her play!
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I agree. The problem is: in many of these situations, no matter what you do you never don't back her play. You just give advice or offer your help. And then again there are things which just seem to be wrong no matter what. I wouldn't want my daughter to do "stupid things". That doesn't mean I would try to stop her doing so at all costs. But I would give her my best advice and try to guide her the best I could. That's what Geralt can do in the game. He offers his help and support with the lodge for example, offering Ciri to acompany her. I'd do that just because to be polite and supportive. I wouldn't force her to. Ciri could refuse the offer but she doesn't. That isn't a situation in which Geralt "undermines" her self-assurance. It's just a natural father-daughter situation, not a sitution that change the believings of a person on a fundamental level. Or take the situation in Avallac'h's lab. Ciri asks Geralt whether she should destroy the place or not. Of course you could just "Do whatever you want." But I don't see that neither as a rational nor an empowering answer tbh. I think even the opposite is true. It's a lazy reply without showin any responsiblity or any self-assurance. You cannot empower others with self-assurance if you don't have any principles and self-assurance yourself, I'd say. It seem the natural choice telling her to just calm down. What's the point in the opposite? Why should letting her throwing around some chairs empower her self-assurance. It just indicates that she has a troubled characters and indeed needs some support, no matter if she is an adult or not. And then again, she could just do it anyway. Why does she always listen and agree to what Geralt says? How is that a sign of a complex, independant human character of someone who is designed to have a strong will.

So my problem is not that empowering your daughter is a bad concept. Not at all. I even agree with that. The problem is the way this is implemented in the game with the lack of nuanced dialogues and with the ignorance of slightly different perspectives and context. It's not like the answers are all that "clear" like it is said here from time to time. Of course it's easy to evaluate on the topic once you know all the answers and consequences. But in the very choice situation - if you play the game for the very first time - things aren't nearly that clear and transparent. You don't know that the overall decisive moment is letting Ciri do whatever she wants to do without saying one word against it in every given situation. Maybe you think that the decisive moment is more complex and nuanced, allowing for more than own guiding principles no matter the context, a principle that isn't known or transparent to the player in any case. Not even speaking about the simple fact that almost all of these choice situations seem minor and don't differ much from other situations that don't count to the final consequence and the ending. I say it again, it feels oversimplified and arbitrary in its implementation and execution. Maybe it would work better with better dialogues and writing but then again I still think that the situations in the games aren't nearly sufficient to initiate the change at the end - especially not with Ciri's and Geralt's background.


Edit: I hope that wasn't too much text. If yes, I'm sorry. ;)
 
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atavus

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#19
Jun 9, 2015
trademarklas said:
Ah, post-game depression. I got a good ending and still ended up devastated once it ended just knowing that I'll never play this brilliant game for the first time again. Bravo, CDPR.
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I understand you 100%.
Worst for me I wanna restart but I can't as I want a newgame+.
I'm torn apart by the wait.
 
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Riddlin

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#20
Jun 9, 2015
Scholdarr.452 said:
I agree. The problem is: in many of these situations, no matter what you do you never don't back her play. You just give advice or offer your help. And then again there are things which just seem to be wrong no matter what. I wouldn't want my daughter to do "stupid things". That doesn't mean I would try to stop her doing so at all costs. But I would give her my best advice and try to guide her the best I could. That's what Geralt can do in the game. He offers his help and support with the lodge for example, offering Ciri to acompany her. I'd do that just because to be polite and supportive. I wouldn't force her to. Ciri could refuse the offer but she doesn't. That isn't a situation in which Geralt "undermines" her self-assurance. It's just a natural father-daughter situation, not a sitution that change the believings of a person on a fundamental level. Or take the situation in Avallac'h's lab. Ciri asks Geralt whether she should destroy the place or not. Of course you could just "Do whatever you want." But I don't see that neither as a rational nor an empowering answer tbh. I think even the opposite is true. It's a lazy reply without showin any responsiblity or any self-assurance. You cannot empower others with self-assurance if you don't have any principles and self-assurance yourself, I'd say. It seem the natural choice telling her to just calm down. What's the point in the opposite? Why should letting her throwing around some chairs empower her self-assurance. It just indicates that she has a troubled characters and indeed needs some support, no matter if she is an adult or not. And then again, she could just do it anyway. Why does she always listen and agree to what Geralt says? How is that a sign of a complex, independant human character of someone who is designed to have a strong will.

So my problem is not that empowering your daughter is a bad concept. Not at all. I even agree with that. The problem is the way this is implemented in the game with the lack of nuanced dialogues and with the ignorance of slightly different perspectives and context. It's not like the answers are all that "clear" like it is said here from time to time. Of course it's easy to evaluate on the topic once you know all the answers and consequences. But in the very choice situation - if you play the game for the very first time - things aren't nearly that clear and transparent. You don't know that the overall decisive moment is letting Ciri do whatever she wants to do without saying one word against it in every given situation. Maybe you think that the decisive moment is more complex and nuanced, allowing for more than own guiding principles no matter the context, a principle that isn't known or transparent to the player in any case. Not even speaking about the simple fact that almost all of these choice situations seem minor and don't differ much from other situations that don't count to the final consequence and the ending. I say it again, it feels oversimplified and arbitrary in its implementation and execution. Maybe it would work better with better dialogues and writing but then again I still think that the situations in the games aren't nearly sufficient to initiate the change at the end - especially not with Ciri's and Geralt's background.


Edit: I hope that wasn't too much text. If yes, I'm sorry. ;)
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Holy crap! I hope CDPR isn't paying by the word for this stuff...the two of us are gonna bankrupt them!

No, I do get what your saying but some of the stuff, I think I get what they are trying to do...they are trying to make Ciri into what Geralt is. Geralt would get pissed and wreck the place...you know he would smack Triss with a snowball too if she were standing around. I think those kind of supportive decisions are him putting Ciri in HIS place and he is reinforcing her to be like him...and that is what he gets!

But I gotta say sir, that other thread you started..wow. I didn't want to interrupt the professor in that class room but I gotta tell ya. I am impressed. While I have your 'ear' for a moment...

Do you think CDPR simply rushed the production at the end? They simply ran out of time and got there backs against the wall and THATs why we have a lot of the later parts of the story FEEL so, wonky? Pace is off and the dialog is sloppy or nonexistent(i.e., Triss' "Well?" on the boat) and basic story elements are shoddily implemented. Obviously this is just my opinion but, it just feels SO polished in some places early, you get to KM and it just goes to hell.

You are a scholar of the Witcherverse and a vetren of the TW series(I am guessing), I'd like to know what you think about the REAL chances that CDPR will step up and overhaul some of this...not just a band-aid but a real healing FIX for this...of course I am assuming you agree with my assessment. I apologize if none of this makes ANY sense to you. And thanks for the comments!
 
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