game made me depressed

[Maerd]

I know with my daughter, I am 50 and she is 5... ... Anyway, I am trying to build her up now, give her confidence...

Oh, very good. Your daughter is going to school soon. Follow advice of the game and when somebody insult your daughter in school, encourage her to trash the classroom and join in these activities yourself (for encouragement, of course), may be, also punching a teacher you don't especially like in the face in the process. Later when your daughter become older and some organization, known for political murders, with charismatic deceiving manipulator as their leader invites her to join, encourage her to go on the meeting and encourage her to go alone. Because it will definitely will boost her confidence and nothing can go wrong, right?

 

[Riddlin]

Oh, very good. Your daughter is going to school soon. Follow advice of the game and when somebody insult your daughter in school, encourage her to trash the classroom and join in these activities yourself (for encouragement, of course), may be, also punching a teacher you don't especially like in the face in the process. Later when your daughter become older and some organization, known for political murders, with charismatic deceiving manipulator as their leader invites her to join, encourage her to go on the meeting and encourage her to go alone. Because it will definitely will boost her confidence and nothing can go wrong, right?

HEeeey! I see what you did there...sarcasm! Well played! Only problem with that tho, despite what I might try to tell myself, I am not a Witcher! So, I would expect she will be sarcastic and sardonic to the offenders and probably the teacher too. She has a temper like me but so far in my lifetime, I haven't killed anyone or wrecked a classroom...ok, I can't back both of those up! And I have a lot of respect for our schools... :>

 

[luc0s]

Oh, very good. Your daughter is going to school soon. Follow advice of the game and when somebody insult your daughter in school, encourage her to trash the classroom and join in these activities yourself (for encouragement, of course), may be, also punching a teacher you don't especially like in the face in the process. Later when your daughter become older and some organization, known for political murders, with charismatic deceiving manipulator as their leader invites her to join, encourage her to go on the meeting and encourage her to go alone. Because it will definitely will boost her confidence and nothing can go wrong, right?

You completely forget that Ciri is already in her early 20s in TW3. That's the main point that everyone in TW3 keep driving home. She's not a little girl anymore. Let her go and make her own decisions.

The decisions you have to make that decide Ciri's faith are all decisions between treating Ciri like a child or treating Ciri like an adult. If you treat her like an adult, she will be confident in herself and survive her encounter with the White Frost. If you treat her like a child she will doubt herself and die when meeting the White Frost.

The "trashing the lab" choice was the only choice that seemed a little out of place with this message, though it makes sense if you consider Ciri's stress levels are through the roof and trashing that lab was a great way to release that stress. Telling her to calm down would only make things worse in such a situation. Just imagine yourself being at the verge of a mental breakdown and your friend/father telling you to calm down. Wouldn't that just make it worse? I know it would for me. Women are even more sensitive to that stuff.

Some life-advice here: When your girlfriend, wife or adolescent daughter is having a mental breakdown, DO NOT tell her to calm down, you will only make things worse, trust me.

 

[jj284b]

one suggestion for those feeling sad after completing the game - try getting Sapkowski book "Stories". It contains 3 separate stories which will warm your heart - first one is about Vesemir and his last contract as active Witcher before he decided to become teacher of young witchers at Kaer Morhen.. Second one is called "something begins, something ends..." i'd rather not spoil it for you...

 

[shtempik]

Experiencing post game depression as well... Damn I hate this stage but it's always worth it in the end because of the incredible time experienced while playing the game itself... Ah please humanity make a stable and reliable techonology to erase certain memories at will... I'd play the Witcher series over and over again

 

[Maerd]

You completely forget that Ciri is already in her early 20s in TW3. That's the main point that everyone in TW3 keep driving home. She's not a little girl anymore. Let her go and make her own decisions.

Ah, so when your daughter turns 20 you should change your policies 180 degrees and now it's OK to behave like 10 years old by trashing the lab or joining dubious political organizations of conspirators. May be, you also don't mind to encourage her to go to the meeting with witch hunters to torture a person or two if she would have been invited?



The problem with the game is that it doesn't matter how you treat Ciri, really. The fact is that CDPR has shown her as a weak personality. She cannot make her own decisions and require Geralt's approval for everything. This means that she's not confident and you cannot "fix" it by approving and cheering up her 5 times in the one last week. As you said she's about 20 now and if she cannot make her own decisions by this age that's it: the opportunity is missed. In my opinion though, the final part of the game is pretty badly designed. CDPR clearly ran out of time to finish the game and made some ad hoc compromise decisions about the final part of the game. Writing for Ciri could have been a lot better.

consider Ciri's stress levels are through the roof and trashing that lab was a great way to release that stress.

This also shows Ciri as a week personality lacking confidence if she gets stress through the roof when some random elf insults her. No encouragement can change that in such short period of time.

Tragic ending is the only good one. It's not cheesy, logical and makes sense. It's depressing, yes, but powerful.

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Some life-advice here: When your girlfriend, wife or adolescent daughter is having a mental breakdown, DO NOT tell her to calm down, you will only make things worse, trust me.

You see, it's not that simplistic. For different personalities work different methods of calming down, not necessarily getting involved in destruction of property. And my real-life advice: if your girlfriend has mental breakdowns, find yourself another one that doesn't have, you won't regret it...

 

[luc0s]

@Maerd

I find your view on the game, it's characters and plot rather shallow. You need to dig a little deeper, else you'll never fully understand the story, the decisions and the message behind them. You'll never understand Ciri or the decisions Geralt has to make regarding Ciri if you can't put yourself in their shoes.

The tragic ending was indeed really powerful, probably the most powerful ending of them all. But I wouldn't say that it's logical. It's probably one of the least logical endings to TW3.

I personally prefer the ending were Nilfgaard wins the war and Ciri becomes the next empress of Nilfgaard.

 

[Sooxzay]

The solution to your problem is simple: Reload an older save and this time don't make stupid decisions, then you'll get a positive ending.

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You're wrong. The best possible ending is Ciri becoming empress of Nilfgaard and Geralt being with Yennefer. That's the best ending for everyone involved.

Arghhh NOOO!! Ciri should be happy ! Going with Yen is your choice but I dont care about the human race in the witcher. Well.. but maybe she will protect mages and dwarfs and elves right? But still bad for her..

 

[luc0s]

Arghhh NOOO!! Ciri should be happy ! Going with Yen is your choice but I dont care about the human race in the witcher. Well.. but maybe she will protect mages and dwarfs and elves right? But still bad for her..

Bad for her how? It's a decision SHE makes FOR HERSELF. Geralt doesn't even inherently approve of her choice at first, she actually is the one who convinces Geralt that her becoming empress is what she needs to do.

What part of "treating Ciri like an adult and letting her make her own decisions" did you not understand? Part of that is allowing her to meet her father and give her the opportunity to become empress of Nilfgaard, an opportunity she herself eventually decided to take. That's my opinion on it.

There is nothing indicating that Ciri isn't happy in the 'Empress Ciri ending'.

 

[Riddlin]

Some life-advice here: When your girlfriend, wife or adolescent daughter is having a mental breakdown, DO NOT tell her to calm down, you will only make things worse, trust me.

Oh, you mean that SLAP across the face and, "Pull it together BITCH!" is the wrong way to handle it...well, that might explain a few...scars...

That made me smile a little

 

[Sooxzay]

Bad for her how? It's a decision SHE makes FOR HERSELF. Geralt doesn't even inherently approve of her choice at first, she actually is the one who convinces Geralt that her becoming empress is what she needs to do.

What part of "treating Ciri like an adult and letting her make her own decisions" did you not understand? Part of that is allowing her to meet her father and give her the opportunity to become empress of Nilfgaard, an opportunity she herself eventually decided to take. That's my opinion on it.

There is nothing indicating that Ciri isn't happy in the 'Empress Ciri ending'.

Well I dont know what you are talking about to be honest.

I created my opinion by watching the endings I didnt have. And one of that was Ciri hunting with Geralt. Some soldiers waiting for her at the tavern and she starts crying and asks Geralt to stop her. Thats all I could remember. And if I understand it correctly I would say she regrets it. Since she wants to be with Geralt and being a witcher instead of ruling human shit heads. So I have to say sorry if I missed something tho.

 

[lwp]

There is nothing indicating that Ciri isn't happy in the 'Empress Ciri ending'.

I personally prefer the Witcher ending myself but agree completely with this statement.

 

[Maerd]

@Maerd

I find your view on the game, it's characters and plot rather shallow. You need to dig a little deeper, else you'll never fully understand the story, the decisions and the message behind them. You'll never understand Ciri or the decisions Geralt has to make regarding Ciri if you can't put yourself in their shoes.

Not that it's my problem that you cannot understand my arguments. Your "my penis is bigger than yours" style of arguments don't cut it, sorry. Please, elaborate in details on all your claims.

I personally prefer the ending were Nilfgaard wins the war and Ciri becomes the next empress of Nilfgaard.

Things that you prefer and reality is quite a different things. I prefer to be an emperor of Earth. It doesn't mean that I can or should be. Ciri doesn't fit for the job being an empress:
- she doesn't know a shit how to run a country
- she is not skilled with political intrigue
- she is too sentimental, she'll have hard time send people for execution, which means she'll have a lot of internal enemies
- she has no allies at the existing court and has no family members besides Emhyr, which means that she will be a prime target for assasination
- she is lacking confidence, which will be perceived as serious weakness and also makes her a prime target for assasination
- she doesn't like that job

If Ciri becomes an empress she will have to find a husband to compensate for her lacking skills and position immediately. Alternatively, she'll have to hire Philippa as her adviser but that will mean that real empress will be Philippa.

 

[luc0s]

Well I dont know what you are talking about to be honest.

I created my opinion by watching the endings I didnt have. And one of that was Ciri hunting with Geralt. Some soldiers waiting for her at the tavern and she starts crying and asks Geralt to stop her. Thats all I could remember. And if I understand it correctly I would say she regrets it. Since she wants to be with Geralt and being a witcher instead of ruling human shit heads. So I have to say sorry if I missed something tho.

That's not at all what happens in the 'empress Ciri' ending. You remember it wrong.

To refresh your mind, here is the empress Ciri ending:

 

[Sooxzay]

That's not at all what happens in the 'empress Ciri' ending. You remember it wrong.

To refresh your mind, here is the empress Ciri ending:

Thx for posting the video. Just watched it a moment ago. I still think she would rather be with Geralt and Yen/Triss. I dont get why she goes for Nilfgaard. Whats her plan when she talks about changing the world? In my eyes no single person could ever change the whole world. Because you have to unit for that. One single person cant rule the world. So one single person cant change the world drastically. But this is just my opinion on that.

Im just glad picking the other end where she starts being a professional witcher.. Wouldnt be fine with that kind of ending. Thinking about her sitting on a throne and dealing with corrupt politicans. Even if it says that Emyr decimated almost every traitor. There will always rise new assholes.

 

[hawkeyesforever]

Thx for posting the video. Just watched it a moment ago. I still think she would rather be with Geralt and Yen/Triss. I dont get why she goes for Nilfgaard. Whats her plan when she talks about changing the world? In my eyes no single person could ever change the whole world. Because you have to unit for that. One single person cant rule the world. So one single person cant change the world drastically. But this is just my opinion on that.

Im just glad picking the other end where she starts being a professional witcher.. Wouldnt be fine with that kind of ending. Thinking about her sitting on a throne and dealing with corrupt politicans. Even if it says that Emyr decimated almost every traitor. There will always rise new assholes.

Agreed, I just don't see Ciri as someone who wants to deal with corrupt politicians. Heck I believe she mentioned a few times to Geralt that she just wants to be normal and travel and adventure, go to taverns and drink, things like that.

To me the Empress ending is the "Greater good but sacrificing personal happiness" ending. It's not a bad ending, just not the one I prefer. After all Ciri has been through I prefer the Witcher ending for Ciri. In my opinion it just offers her more freedom to do what she wants on her own terms, and feel more like an adventurer.

 

[luc0s]

Thx for posting the video. Just watched it a moment ago. I still think she would rather be with Geralt and Yen/Triss. I dont get why she goes for Nilfgaard. Whats her plan when she talks about changing the world? In my eyes no single person could ever change the whole world. Because you have to unit for that. One single person cant rule the world. So one single person cant change the world drastically. But this is just my opinion on that.

Im just glad picking the other end where she starts being a professional witcher.. Wouldnt be fine with that kind of ending. Thinking about her sitting on a throne and dealing with corrupt politicans. Even if it says that Emyr decimated almost every traitor. There will always rise new assholes.

If any person could change the world, it's Ciri. Not only does she have unimaginable powers, she also has a pure heart and thanks to her father she'll soon have the entire continent under her rule. If you want to change the world, this is as good as it gets.

Ciri won't be alone when she sits on the throne. Her father will guide her, her council will guide her and if she really wants she could always ask Geralt, Yennefer or Triss for advice.

While Ciri might be more in her element as a witcher, she'll ultimately be able to do more good as an empress. Geralt is right: "You can't change the world slaying monsters."

I think putting Ciri on the throne of Nilfgaard is definitely the best ending you can get from a global perspective. Whether it's best for Ciri herself is debatable, but you can't deny it will be the best thing to happen for the common people in Nilfgaard and the Northen Kingdoms.

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Agreed, I just don't see Ciri as someone who wants to deal with corrupt politicians. Heck I believe she mentioned a few times to Geralt that she just wants to be normal and travel and adventure, go to taverns and drink, things like that.

To me the Empress ending is the "Greater good but sacrificing personal happiness" ending. It's not a bad ending, just not the one I prefer. After all Ciri has been through I prefer the Witcher ending for Ciri. In my opinion it just offers her more freedom to do what she wants on her own terms, and feel more like an adventurer.

You're not wrong, but you're forgetting that Ciri ALSO said that she wants to do something good, something that matters, to make the world a better place. She won't really do much in that regard as a witcher. If she really wants to change the world for the better, she has to sit on that throne in Nilfgaard.

Ultimately it comes down to the fact that Ciri can't have her cake and eat it too. She has to make a decision on what she finds most important for herself; a free life as an adventurer or trying to change the world as an empress.

If you never presented her to Emhyr she will not even be aware of her linage and option to become an empress, thus she becomes an adventurer.

If you do present her to Emhyr she'll eventually choose to become an empress. Maybe she makes the choice because she feels obligated to do so, but ultimately it's her choice that she made for herself, while in the other ending (the witcher Ciri ending) it's not really her own choice at all, but a choice Geralt made for her.

 

[Sooxzay]

If any person could change the world, it's Ciri. Not only does she have unimaginable powers, she also has a pure heart and thanks to her father she'll soon have the entire continent under her rule. If you want to change the world, this is as good as it gets.

Ciri won't be alone when she sits on the throne. Her father will guide her, her council will guide her and if she really wants she could always ask Geralt, Yennefer or Triss for advice.

While Ciri might be more in her element as a witcher, she'll ultimately be able to do more good as an empress. Geralt is right: "You can't change the world slaying monsters."

I think putting Ciri on the throne of Nilfgaard is definitely the best ending you can get from a global perspective. Whether it's best for Ciri herself is debatable, but you can't deny it will be the best thing to happen for the common people in Nilfgaard and the Northen Kingdoms.

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You're not wrong, but you're forgetting that Ciri ALSO said that she wants to do something good, something that matters, to make the world a better place. She won't really do much in that regard as a witcher. If she really wants to change the world for the better, she has to sit on that throne in Nilfgaard.

Ultimately it comes down to the fact that Ciri can't have her cake and eat it too. She has to make a decision on what she finds most important for herself; a free life as an adventurer or trying to change the world as an empress.

If you never presented her to Emhyr she will not even be aware of her linage and option to become an empress, thus she becomes an adventurer.

If you do present her to Emhyr she'll eventually choose to become an empress. Maybe she makes the choice because she feels obligated to do so, but ultimately it's her choice that she made for herself, while in the other ending (the witcher Ciri ending) it's not really her own choice at all, but a choice Geralt made for her.

Agree with you. She actually couldn't decide. But as I said Im glad about that. She will be a good queen ofc. But you know how the world works. Even if it Ciri I dont think she can bring endless satisfaction to the crowd.

There will always be war. Always bandits and rapists and so on.

In the ending with her being a Witcher I think about recruiting even more people to become witchers. Maybe without getting a Mutant. Like a clan or so. Because slaying monsters can change the world. I dont talk about drowners. I talk about bandits rapists.. Kings like Radovid since the insane stuff in Novigrad.. She could reach all of that without sitting on a throne. At least for me.

But I also accept your viewpoint ofc.

 

[hawkeyesforever]

Yeah for me I guess I just give the Witcher ending a slight edge over the Empress ending. Both endings are pretty good though depending on how you want your game to go.

I just remember Djikstra saying at the docks, how Triss is wise not to get into politics because you never know, someday you might be on opposite ends of the barricade. Would be sad indeed if Ciri ever had to face Geralt because of some political reason.

 

[luc0s]

Agree with you. She actually couldn't decide. But as I said Im glad about that. She will be a good queen ofc. But you know how the world works. Even if it Ciri I dont think she can bring endless satisfaction to the crowd.

There will always be war. Always bandits and rapists and so on.

In the ending with her being a Witcher I think about recruiting even more people to become witchers. Maybe without getting a Mutant. Like a clan or so. Because slaying monsters can change the world. I dont talk about drowners. I talk about bandits rapists.. Kings like Radovid since the insane stuff in Novigrad.. She could reach all of that without sitting on a throne. At least for me.

But I also accept your viewpoint ofc.

I agree, except for the latter part. Slaying bandits really isn't something witchers normally do nor is it something Geralt likes to do. The games might give a bit of a skewed perspective on this because you raid dozens of bandit camps and deserter camps in TW3, but I'd blame that on gameplay and story segregation, something that is always bound to happen in a videogame.

Slaying monsters will definitely help to make the world a better place, if only for a little. But Ciri can probably do more as an empress.

Neither ending is bad though. Though I'd argue that Radovid ruling over the North is pretty damn bad. As long as you kill Radovid and don't get the 'Ciri dies' ending you're good.