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Gameplay - depth vs complexity vs fun

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Gameplay - depth vs complexity vs fun

  • As complex as possible - something like turn-based mode.

    Votes: 36 13.2%
  • Quite complex, with all sorts of options for winning. You'll need to think.

    Votes: 184 67.6%
  • Fairly complex gameplay - but you can still just shoot your way through if you want.

    Votes: 91 33.5%
  • Not very complex. GTA V, for example, is fine. Shoot, sneak, maybe a simple puzzle or two.

    Votes: 13 4.8%
  • Dead simple. Think Halo or CoD.

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Redge, I blame you for all of this. You utter, utter bastard.

    Votes: 12 4.4%

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Sardukhar

Sardukhar

Moderator
#1,401
Nov 4, 2017
eraser7278;n9790091 said:
THIS HERETIC HATH QUOTED THE APOCRYPHAL TEXT OF 3.0. FETCH THE INQUISITORS, HIS HERESY MUST BE CLEANSED BY FIRE!
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According to CDPR, this allows them to keep 2020 tech in 2077 while still advancing some things. Thanks to Rache sabotaging everything. It's not the full-on DataKrash from V3, I...think?

Presuming this is still true, of course.
 
eraser7278

eraser7278

Senior user
#1,402
Nov 4, 2017
I thought we had confirmation all V3 related material had been ruled non-cannon and fired into the sun? looks like I've got a preorder to cancel...
 
metalmaniac21

metalmaniac21

Senior user
#1,403
Nov 4, 2017
I'm pretty sure CDPR writers would write something more down-to-earth than the impossible program like DataKrash bullshit and paper-eating virus.

Even a sun magnetic field blasting all over planet Earth and resetting all electronics back to square one would be better.

Fourth Corporate War is also pretty dumb and over the top. Corporations killing their own customers along the way just to end the competitor is not a way to go.
 
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BeastModeIron

BeastModeIron

Senior user
#1,404
Nov 4, 2017
metalmaniac21;n9792311 said:
I'm pretty sure CDPR writers would write something more down-to-earth than the impossible program like DataKrash bullshit and paper-eating virus.

Even a sun magnetic field blasting all over planet Earth and resetting all electronics back to square one would be better.

Fourth Corporate War is also pretty dumb and over the top. Corporations killing their own customers along the way just to end the competitor is not a way to go.
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Yeah Nov 4th EMP DOD style...yeah or wait, what?
 
Sardukhar

Sardukhar

Moderator
#1,405
Nov 5, 2017
So, as far as I know V3 timeline is alternate.

But Firestorm is in.

And remember what happens at the end of Book 1 and Book 2? The very, very end? That thing Rache resets every year? Yeah.

55 years later is when the game takes place.

This allows CDPR to have 2020-ish tech levels without the 50 years of advances from man-portable railguns and the like.

 
metalmaniac21

metalmaniac21

Senior user
#1,406
Nov 7, 2017
BeastModeIron;n9792371 said:
Yeah Nov 4th EMP DOD style...yeah or wait, what?
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No, like a solar superstorm in 2012 but actually happening.
 
BeastModeIron

BeastModeIron

Senior user
#1,407
Nov 7, 2017
metalmaniac21;n9806311 said:
No, like a solar superstorm in 2012 but actually happening.
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Sure we'll go with that, because that actually happened ;)
 
Suhiira

Suhiira

Forum veteran
#1,408
Nov 7, 2017
Even a gawd-awful-super EMP that happened more then say 5-10 years ago is meaningless, because they'd have replaced all the fried chips by then.
 
metalmaniac21

metalmaniac21

Senior user
#1,409
Nov 7, 2017
BeastModeIron;n9806531 said:
Sure we'll go with that, because that actually happened
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Qualified as "near miss" since it didn't hit the planet directly, still...
Suhiira;n9806991 said:
Even a gawd-awful-super EMP that happened more then say 5-10 years ago is meaningless, because they'd have replaced all the fried chips by then.
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Working on a defunct equipment? Heroes, we salute you!
 
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BeastModeIron

BeastModeIron

Senior user
#1,410
Nov 7, 2017
metalmaniac21;n9807581 said:
Qualified as "near miss" since it didn't hit the planet directly, still...
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Is that what you were told? Because how convenient that it didn't hit the planet because it would then require "them" to have proof these events actually occur when they never have.
 
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Mefris

Mefris

Senior user
#1,411
Dec 13, 2017
Snowflakez;n9984381 said:
Good lord. I did not know that. Do you happen to have a full map of the city on-hand? From what I read, sounds like it doesn't really exist.
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Like Suhiira said,there isn't an official map that portrays the entire city but we do have information about things outside of the downtown area.Also the NCART map from the sourcebook does a good job of at least showing the scale of the damn thing:

Pretty much everything you see between Central Night City and San Morro (basically that entire peninsula) is the urban area.The Combat Zone is somewhere in South City,a bit north of the actual "South Night City" text.The suburban area is to the south,east and there's a bit to the north east as well.
 
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Lisbeth_Salander

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#1,412
Dec 13, 2017
Snowflakez;n9983521 said:
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Areas based on enemies/player level is a huge mistake. I remember not visiting a lot of areas in Witcher 3 because of low level enemies. If there is no challenging enemies in a certain area, there is little to no reason to go there.

Cyberpunk 2077 should instead have an unpredictable world where low level and high level anemies appear everywhere and anytime.
 
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Suhiira

Suhiira

Forum veteran
#1,413
Dec 13, 2017
Lisbeth_Salander;n9987221 said:
Cyberpunk 2077 should instead have an unpredictable world where low level and high level anemies appear everywhere and anytime.
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Realistic, but unfortunately this is one of those places where gameplay has to take precedence over reality.

Having to restart the game ten times because you got unlucky with a randoms encounter isn't going to make many players happy.
Reloading might not be an option if you don't have a save that's in a "safe" area, and the Ironman crowd ... they'd be justifiably very pissed.
Taking risks and blowing it due to your own actions is one thing, getting splatted by a random encounter you have zero control over or hope of beating is another.
 
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Lisbeth_Salander

Rookie
#1,414
Dec 13, 2017
Suhiira;n9987681 said:
Realistic, but unfortunately this is one of those places where gameplay has to take precedence over reality.
Having to restart the game ten times because you got unlucky with a randoms encounter isn't going to make many players happy. Reloading might not be an option if you don't have a save that's in a "safe" area, and the Ironman crowd ... they'd be justifiably very pissed. Taking risks and blowing it due to your own actions is one thing, getting splatted by a random encounter you have zero control over or hope of beating is another.
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Except that not having area limited by levels is an open world gameplay exploration issue.

Right, so the unpredictable factor could happen after you reach a high level in the game. Here's the problem: After reaching a high level in Witcher 3, the majority of the map becomes irrelevant to explore since enemies are very easy to kill. So after reaching a high level on Cyberpunk 2077, high level enemies should spawn more frequently in areas with low level enemies, in order to make the whole map relevant to explore.
 
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sv3672

Forum veteran
#1,415
Dec 13, 2017
Lisbeth_Salander;n9987221 said:
Areas based on enemies/player level is a huge mistake. I remember not visiting a lot of areas in Witcher 3 because of low level enemies. If there is no challenging enemies in a certain area, there is little to no reason to go there.
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If there is an expected order of progression through areas (e.g. in Witcher 3 you play Whiter Orchard first, then Velen, etc.), then it makes sense to set levels in them accordingly. But a general trend in enemy level vs. location can be a good thing, it is strange to bump into level 40 drowners 100 meters away from identical looking level 6 ones. Getting killed frequently by random high level enemies may also discourage exploration. While levels based on the area are not necessarily the only way of implementing it, I think it is better if the levels generally follow some predictable rule, even if some amount of random variation is also added.
 
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Lisbeth_Salander

Rookie
#1,416
Dec 13, 2017
According to this thread: Challenging enemies = enemies extremely supperior than you.


My point is that after reaching level 10 in witcher, areas with level 6 enemies are gone. You have no reason to explore them ever again except for loot. To avoid that, after the player rach a high level in game, these areas should be balanced out with the respective player level in order to increase replayability, in other words, after reaching level 10 in Cyberpunk 2077, areas with level 6 enemies would have instead higher levels in order to not make things extremely easy for players. And with this, players would have another reason to explore those areas again and the map would become relevant as a whole.
 
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sv3672

Forum veteran
#1,417
Dec 13, 2017
Lisbeth_Salander;n9988211 said:
My point is that after reaching level 10 in witcher, areas with level 6 enemies are gone. You have no reason to explore them ever again except for loot.
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That is more a problem with how enemy levels are implemented, if they are more than 5 levels above or below the player, their stats are artificially modified to make them extremely strong (red skull icon) or weak (grey level number). Without this, low level enemies would still present some challenge, but it may also serve the purpose of enforcing a semi-linear progression.
 
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Lisbeth_Salander

Rookie
#1,418
Dec 13, 2017
sv3672;n9988681 said:
That is more a problem with how enemy levels are implemented, if they are more than 5 levels above or below the player, their stats are artificially modified to make them extremely strong (red skull icon) or weak (grey level number). Without this, low level enemies would still present some challenge, but it may also serve the purpose of enforcing a semi-linear progression.
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Did I mention that enemies would be 5 levels above the player? No. What I said was to make these level 6 enemies to gradually level up over time, and to be respective to player's progression, they wouldn't be higher to the player's level, they would instead still be lower, but not too much. The intention of this would be to not make things extremely easy and increase the open world exploration and replayability.
 
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sv3672

Forum veteran
#1,419
Dec 13, 2017
Lisbeth_Salander;n9988741 said:
Did I mention that enemies would be 5 levels above the player? No. What I said was to make these level 6 enemies to gradually level up over time, and to be respective to player's progression, they wouldn't be higher to the player's level, they would instead still be lower, but not too much. The intention of this would be to not make things extremely easy and increase the open world exploration and replayability.
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There is actually an enemy upscaling option that increases low level enemies to the player's level (with some unwanted side effects like rats becoming highly lethal), but high level enemies stay the same.
 
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Lisbeth_Salander

Rookie
#1,420
Dec 13, 2017
sv3672;n9988851 said:
There is actually an enemy upscaling option that increases low level enemies to the player's level (with some unwanted side effects like rats becoming highly lethal), but high level enemies stay the same.
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Really? Guess I shouldn't have stopped playing Witcher 3 before 2016. Cyberpunk 2077 is in good hands then. Perhaps Cyberpunk 2077 shouldn't have levels at all? Everyone should be as lethal as CP2020, under the condition that the player could be equally lethal to enemies.
 
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