You forget this brilliant game, that changed the world
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Doom brought so many things to the industry that it's not even funny. More immersive visuals, fantastic level design, amazing weapons and enemies, multiplayer, modding and let's not forget the atmosphere it had (often overlooked). Even after 20 years (!) the game still has a very sizable following with a fuckton of extremely high quality mods still coming out such as Brutal Doom. I make maps for it myself. I myself am obsessed with the game and have been playing it at least one hour a day for 5 years now.
disagree with some of them.dragonbird said:
like last of us or tomb raider.
last of us because there where already alot of games with drama and emotional engagement. tomb raider because metroid already had a female protagonist.
for better or worst Think FF7 should have had a spot.
Ooof, what a question, but world or game technology, I see what you're getting at.
Well there are many titles to choose from, but one that comes to mind is Thief: The Dark Project from 1998/99.
Why?
Because never before(that I know anyway) had there been a game where NPC's reacted on light/darkness and responded to the materials you walked upon(moss arrows for metal floors, or run and jumping on soft carpets only, yay!). I remember standing in front of two guards jumping up an down in front of them. To test, you know? Having doused the torches with water arrows as well as switched off all electric light in the castle they were none they wiser....I thought..until they actually heard me and started their search(even if I had been jumping on a carpet!). It was as hilarious as it was shocking: What!? Can they actually hear me!? I love that series, Thief 1 and 2 in particular.
You 'could' deal with fighting five guards simultaneously....after some training...and luck...but the main idea was that you were supposed to sneak by them. I say the game introduced sneaking on a whole new level that inspired other game developers. Or dare someone say that the alternative of sneaking or picking alternative routes to your objective isn't part of many games today?
Well there are many titles to choose from, but one that comes to mind is Thief: The Dark Project from 1998/99.
Why?
Because never before(that I know anyway) had there been a game where NPC's reacted on light/darkness and responded to the materials you walked upon(moss arrows for metal floors, or run and jumping on soft carpets only, yay!). I remember standing in front of two guards jumping up an down in front of them. To test, you know? Having doused the torches with water arrows as well as switched off all electric light in the castle they were none they wiser....I thought..until they actually heard me and started their search(even if I had been jumping on a carpet!). It was as hilarious as it was shocking: What!? Can they actually hear me!? I love that series, Thief 1 and 2 in particular.
You 'could' deal with fighting five guards simultaneously....after some training...and luck...but the main idea was that you were supposed to sneak by them. I say the game introduced sneaking on a whole new level that inspired other game developers. Or dare someone say that the alternative of sneaking or picking alternative routes to your objective isn't part of many games today?
Well, they picked PaRappa the Rapper as the influencer for that genre, but I think I agree with you.Mohasz said:
Just as a reminder, it's not my list, I just took it from this TV programme. I doubt if I could have come up with a list.Mohasz said:
But I see the requirements as being
- it introduced a lot of people to gaming (or turned a lot of casual gamers into serious gamers), or
- it changed the way the non-gaming world saw games, or
- it was a fairly successful early game in a genre that inspired a lot of developers to create games that DID directly do one of the first two things.
Based on that, I'm still not convinced about The Last Of Us, and would agree about Ultima and/or one of the TES games making the cut, but otherwise I think I'm OK with the list.
And I don't really think that games like P:T, Thief or Civilisation should be on the list. If it was a list of important milestones in gaming history then yes, I think all three should be there, but I don't think that any of them brought in massive numbers of new gamers, or changed the way that gaming was perceived.
Oh, and I think that Leisure Suit Larry might deserve inclusion, but not necessarily for good reasons.
Metal Gear - Solid Snake on ps1 was the game that actually changed my world. it thought me that the direct head-on approach is not usually a good decision. I was 13 back then and playing a mature game right under the nose of my parents was a pretty nice and enjoyable experience !
I would definitely add these:
Half-Life - Gordon is silent -> you are the hero, in-game cutscenes insteed of cinematics
Half-life 2 - mainly for Alyx companion idea and new gameplay elements
Dune II - first really succesful strategy
Bioshock - morality "We all make choices. But in the end. Our choices makes us."
Half-Life - Gordon is silent -> you are the hero, in-game cutscenes insteed of cinematics
Half-life 2 - mainly for Alyx companion idea and new gameplay elements
Dune II - first really succesful strategy
Bioshock - morality "We all make choices. But in the end. Our choices makes us."
They included Shadow of the Colossus. What other games do you have in mind?fchopin said:
Oh, I would include Silent Hill (1 or 2), the horror genre was a major thing.
What about Myst? Should it be included as well? Seems as influential as TR (I don't really get social significance of super-size boobs Lara)
Looking at the list again, there are some inaccuracies.
Space Invaders didn't move the video game out of the arcades. There were already video game tables with Pong and a couple other games in places like bars, restaurants, hotels, a couple of years before Space Invaders was even released.
Story telling in computer games really began with Zork (which itself was based on another game, I believe, but Zork took story telling to a different level). Of course, the original Zork may not be considered a video game, but the Zork Anthology released in 1989 can. The Secret of Monkey Island was released in 1990.
How's Modern Warfare the first game to introduce realistic brutality?
I don't see what's educational about Minecraft, and there certainly are many educational titles which were released well before Minecraft was. As far as creativity goes, Roblox, Lego Universe came before Minecraft. There are probably more I can't think of right now.
Shadow of the Colossus wasn't the first game where there were consequences to players' actions. I'm not going to go look up the first one, but suffice to say Morrowind had consequences to the players's actions, and it was released 3 years before Shadow of the Colossus.
World of Warcraft didn't introduce the MMO. That was Neverwinter Nights. Before Neverwinter, there were of course MUDs. WoW didn't introduce video game addiction either. There was plenty of that back in the 80s during the arcade haydays, when people would steal money to be able to play arcade games, and attack players who were about to break other players' high scores.
I'd argue that the first female video game character to draw females into gaming was Ms Pac-Man, not Lara Croft.
Space Invaders didn't move the video game out of the arcades. There were already video game tables with Pong and a couple other games in places like bars, restaurants, hotels, a couple of years before Space Invaders was even released.
Story telling in computer games really began with Zork (which itself was based on another game, I believe, but Zork took story telling to a different level). Of course, the original Zork may not be considered a video game, but the Zork Anthology released in 1989 can. The Secret of Monkey Island was released in 1990.
How's Modern Warfare the first game to introduce realistic brutality?
I don't see what's educational about Minecraft, and there certainly are many educational titles which were released well before Minecraft was. As far as creativity goes, Roblox, Lego Universe came before Minecraft. There are probably more I can't think of right now.
Shadow of the Colossus wasn't the first game where there were consequences to players' actions. I'm not going to go look up the first one, but suffice to say Morrowind had consequences to the players's actions, and it was released 3 years before Shadow of the Colossus.
World of Warcraft didn't introduce the MMO. That was Neverwinter Nights. Before Neverwinter, there were of course MUDs. WoW didn't introduce video game addiction either. There was plenty of that back in the 80s during the arcade haydays, when people would steal money to be able to play arcade games, and attack players who were about to break other players' high scores.
I'd argue that the first female video game character to draw females into gaming was Ms Pac-Man, not Lara Croft.
I am a horrible person for not mentioning System Shock. I shall proceed to finish it again as atonement. I've already finished Black Mesa 5 times so I'm a bit burned out on HL. Funny how these two games are spiritual successors to Doom...more so than even Doom 2...but that's another story.Sirnaq said:
The lack of Duke Nukem 3D is also disappointing. It one of the first truly immersive shooters out there and it came even before Half Life. For a number of reasons I consider this to be the real Doom 2. Episode 2 is pretty much a homage to Knee Deep in the Dead.
Do my eyes deceive me or is Deus Ex missing too? What has this world come up to?!
dragonbird said:
Oh, I missed that requirement to be on the list and went directly on 'change in gaming' when I answered.
'Tis hard not to branch out in this discussion and I apologise in advance for any digression of making far fetched points.
I think a lot of games that were made and sold a lot of copies, but never made the media circus gaming industry are today, aren't fair nor accurate to dismiss.I believe Civilisation(which I'm not a fan of by the way) has turned a lot of folk into gaming, and it is one of the longest running series we have. As in, it's been around for decades, and not release a title every year like Assassin's Creed. Today it is nothing special or new, but in the 90's it was much like Doom was when it was released. Popular.
Still, I defend Thief regarding and its influence, and believe it was missed out by a lot of people. Don't take my word for it but Thief led to Deus Ex(Warren Spector) and is still today considered by many(including me) to be one of the best games ever made.
After Thief, Looking Glass were involved with co-developing System Shock 2 with Irrational. Needless to say that the next installment Bioshock became very well known indeed, and is also on the list of best games ever made. Anyone who have played System Shock 2 realise pretty quick that Bioshock
has the same build up and antagonist giving you orders from the start until a 'wow-like twist' is presented
Is this all thanks to Thief? Of course not, but I refrain from dismissing merit in lack of success in the media circus of expos and rail shooters.
Far fetched point to make perhaps, but food for thought nonetheless.
I remember Leisure Suit Larry, and the bunch of questions you had to answer in order to play it. Me and my friends(english is not our first language and we were 11 years at the time) had some trouble with those questions. So it was an excellent parental control measure, if not a joke. Although I am not sure why this was implemented unless as a joke as I don't believe they were that daring regarding sexual content. Even for that time.
It changed many peoples world, and as E3 was launched in that same time it also represents when the media circus got wings with gaming industry.BlackLeopard said: