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bcheero

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#1
Jul 18, 2012
Games that make you think

I want to compile a list of games to play that are intelligent and challenge the person's beliefs or raises important questions. These can range from RPGs to whatever you guys are familiar with and I really want to explore this aspect of video games. Planescape Torment comes to mind and I've been chipping away at the greatness of this game, so I'd enjoy seeing more of that type of material. What do you guys suggest?
 
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norlak

Rookie
#2
Jul 18, 2012
The Witcher one and two. The latter provoking an in-depth look inside the story and the former provides a more philosophical approach (fate, destiny etc...)

The games also make you think in terms of character development; how you wish to build Geralt and make him *yours.* Why is it more significant in the Witcher than in any other RPG? Because Geralt was already a defined character, and so making him yours is a challange.

BioWare games, I find, reach you in an emotional level. Deciding the fates of certain characters that you've grown to love is a challange all by itself. This type of thinking enriches you as a person: difficult decisions such as those imitates the loss of someone close, even if they are a bunch of 1's and 0's on a screen.

In gameplay terms, I would say playing Total War against a challenging opponent will stimulate the 'little grey cells.'

L.A Noire made you think in some cases where even the clues would not provide help.

You've already mentioned PST...

The Fallout universe in general give a good insight on human behaviour, how different people react to end-of-the-world situations.
 
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Dona.794

Forum veteran
#3
Jul 18, 2012
Metal Gear Solid + Metal Gear Solid 2

MGS2 really explores the meaning of videogames, the meaning of choice, te meaning of player expectation, but you need to play MGS1 to truly understand it.

I recommend the other games in the series, of course, as they always have something incredibly creative and videogame-specific to offer (MGS3 truly changed how I view enemies in a game, for example), but the first two make a great and meaningful combination.
 
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DonSwingKing

Rookie
#4
Jul 18, 2012
Mass Effect 3. Definetly raises some philosophical questions.

Plus: Deus Ex
 
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phamvan94

Rookie
#5
Jul 18, 2012
Binary Domain also has some philosophical stuff in it. Mostly about humanity, robotics etc.

The Assassins Creed series has some nice conspiracy theories that are semi-plausible.

Other than that, some Visual Novels come to mind. Katawa Shoujo deals with disabilities, Don't take it personally, babe, it just ain't your story deals with privacy and the power of social networks among others.
 
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goopit

Forum veteran
#6
Jul 18, 2012
Dona said:
Metal Gear Solid + Metal Gear Solid 2
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Those speeches at the end. Did you play Peacewalker? the Boss AI gave me goosebumps lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN4FzDNScdM&feature=related

On an unrelated topic, That feminist frequency shit should look at the Boss's character she was the strongest character in the entire series.
 
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Babli.480

Senior user
#7
Jul 18, 2012
Pham said:
The Assassins Creed series has some nice conspiracy theories that are semi-plausible.

Other than that, some Visual Novels come to mind. Katawa Shoujo deals with disabilities, Don't take it personally, babe, it just ain't your story deals with privacy and the power of social networks among others.
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Fully agree with these. Especially Katawa Shoujo.

Then I can add To the Moon, Catherine, The Longest Journey, Syberia, Red Dead Redemption and Deus Ex 1 and 3.

Those are games that really made me think about their themes long after I finished them.
 
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Dona.794

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Jul 18, 2012
guipit said:
Those speeches at the end. Did you play Peacewalker? the Boss AI gave me goosebumps lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN4FzDNScdM&feature=related

On an unrelated topic, That feminist frequency shit should look at the Boss's character she was the strongest character in the entire series.
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Nope, I don't have a PSP. I'd love to, though, it seems like a pretty trolly game, what with Big Boss being openly bisexual and all.

IA about The Boss, she tore my heart out in MGS3. I wish they'd make a game about her and the Cobra Unit.
 
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goopit

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Jul 18, 2012
Dona said:
Nope, I don't have a PSP. I'd love to, though, it seems like a pretty trolly game, what with Big Boss being openly bisexual and all.

IA about The Boss, she tore my heart out in MGS3. I wish they'd make a game about her and the Cobra Unit.
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those date missions were just for fun I don't think Big Boss had feelings for that dude. I think he just went crazy after the Boss died so he did that pedophile thing then that gay thing.

her story is expanded in peace walker with the voice files made me teary eyed. EVA sends you some tapes about the Boss that's completely separate from the Peacewalker story. Play some MGS3 before playing the link below maybe play the ending again to get in the mood. It's basically EVA's recording in the final scene but longer and more tear jerky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbGhM-2h2JA&feature=relmfu
 
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Mohasz

Forum veteran
#10
Jul 18, 2012
Well, not much of a game but I bought "Dear Esther" when it was on sale recently. It made a huge impact on my mind and managed to confuse me in a very weird way. Its atmosphere and mystique is really a unique experience.
 
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RSIK_4

Rookie
#11
Jul 18, 2012
bloody dhoine...both witcher games makes u think always in all level
 
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misho87233

Rookie
#12
Jul 18, 2012
TW1 + TW2

BioShock

Vampire : Bloodlines

Deus Ex 1 + Deus Ex HR

Spec Ops : The Line

Far Cry 2 (not a great game, but the message which she has, is great)

Cryostasis

Fallout series

Planescape: Torment
 
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tyrvas

Senior user
#13
Jul 18, 2012
All of the above and previously mentioned and including these...

Mass Effect

Mass Effect 2

Grand Theft Auto IV


edit: a friend recommends...

Metro 2033, action-oriented but blends elements similar to those found in role-playing, survival horror, and FPS.

by what he says, similar to Bioshock, I have not played it.
 
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norlak

Rookie
#14
Jul 18, 2012
Pham said:
Binary Domain also has some philosophical stuff in it. Mostly about humanity, robotics etc.

The Assassins Creed series has some nice conspiracy theories that are semi-plausible.

Other than that, some Visual Novels come to mind. Katawa Shoujo deals with disabilities, Don't take it personally, babe, it just ain't your story deals with privacy and the power of social networks among others.
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Talking about Assassin's Creed... where the hell is it going with the plot? I might make a discussion thread about it, because it seems that the whole Da Vinci Code-esque thing it's trying to create it going off route.
 
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username_3266374

Rookie
#15
Jul 18, 2012
Overlord 1 and 2

Simply because you don't have good and evil choices; just evil and EVIL!!!!

Seriously though, Bioshock simply because as you go through the game it makes you start to think about how this society has fallen so far and if they are even worth saving, or just let them implode upon themselves along with their underwater city.
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#16
Jul 18, 2012
Pretty much anything, I work a manual job bereft of mental challenge, so my mind craves stimulation in my down time. Lately Crusader Kings 2 has been hogging all my attention however, a very good strategy.
 
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Sirnaq

Rookie
#17
Jul 18, 2012
Final Fantasy 4, 6 and 7
NieR?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6f0GuWnFZY

While i agree that me1 if you really want you can put it here, but me2?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR558wTjOUU
 
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mrowakus

Forum veteran
#18
Jul 18, 2012
The sad truth is that gaming is not mature enough to make profound statements of anything. The best it can do now is just play around with various themes which used to be better realised in other media (e,g, TW series is only effective because Sapkowski's works were effective in this regard to begin with). The effect is kinda mixed bag with some games actually touching upon e.g. epistemological and metaphysical problems (What can change the nature of man?) though never exploring it due to the nature of the medium (entertainment).

Most games, however, if they attempt that, fail miserably on account of sensationalism and thematic misunderstanding. For instance, although a love scrapping scrapheads in Binary Domain the conflict and the big reveal presented there doesn't stand a chance against kindergarten logic - which makes it all banal and trite. Well, that's not bad for a cheesy shoot them up, but definitely it's not a material worth pondering over. Sadly the same applies to many products from Nihon, including most anime and visual novels (Chaos Head melted my brain).

From my personal perspective the games that excel at making the player ponder and consider are those which force him into introspection - and these are chiefly horror games- the genre which plays with player's perception, understanding and prays on his own demons while creating a great deal of enjoyment all the way. Silent Hill and Fatal Frame series are pretty damn model examples of that (yep, they are from Nippon as well).

One other game I can recommend is the Void (aka. Turgor in Russia, and Tension in Poland). I've just reinstalled it and from the very first moment it is evident that the devs had higer goals in mind - from the graphical presentation through story and gameply - that's some serious shit out there. There are even real poems in the booklet that comes with the game! It is a hardly enjoyable ride, however - in the sense you won't get pure, mindless fun from it like you get from AAA titles. Significant effort is needed - which may explain why it failed to get any attention in its time.
 
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Garrison72

Mentor
#19
Jul 19, 2012
If it comes to a strategy game or Street Fighter, there's plenty of thinking going on there, but nothing of the introspective type, like when I've sided with Iorveth in my latest playthrough and the next day during work I'm still playing out all the pros and cons in my head. On that level, the Witcher games have been more thought provoking than any other.
 
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daddy300

Mentor
#20
Jul 19, 2012
I cant think of any game. Maybe in my younger age I could point out few titles, when you are growing up you are vulnerable to suggestion and believes or myths as longest you can relate with one idea more then the other you will like it and call it favorite or cool thats how the world works. Develpoers do surveys on that and use it in games. Examplel; why does all the games have so many dragons.

Almost every game takes ideas from books, TV shows, news, politics, everyday life. Nothing we havent seen before.

Only thing I could think of is when games do something controversial/unethical.
 
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