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Geralt dealing with issues of infertility and fatherhood in TW3.

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HeelPower

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Feb 5, 2014
Geralt dealing with issues of infertility and fatherhood in TW3.

One ,I feel, of the major issues Geralt faces in his life is the impossibility of becoming a biological parent. Witchers can't father children . One of the most touching moments in TW1 was Geralt meekly asking Kalkstein if he had found anything concerning infertility. In TW1 Geralt can be very tender and endearing when dealing with Alvin.

So I believe that Geralt has some desire to become a father and he has a caring side specific to children which was shown in TW1.I hope there is a quest in which Geralt could possibly hope to adopt a child,since "curing" infertility seems very unlikely in our Witcher's case.Maybe we can save a child from danger and start caring for him/her in our house (if its possible to own houses in TW3)

It seems very unlikely in the current turmoil in the north and particularly in the white wolf's turbulent schedule ,but I sure hope we get to form a fatherly connection with a child in TW3.It would be wonderful!

What are your thoughts ? Think its possible or too farth fetched for Geralt to become a father/guardian in TW3 ?
 
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ReptilePZ

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Feb 5, 2014


http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Ciri
 
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TheMorbidAtheist

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Feb 5, 2014
Eww, children. Why would anyone want to burden themselves with them other than to boost their own ego, extend their family name, get unconditional love, have something to play with and force someone to take care of them when they are old and then possibly condemning their kids to endure suffering in life, probably consuming animals and ultimately dying is beyond me.
 
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amitasis11

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Feb 5, 2014
I now start reading Blood Of Elves so I dont familiar with Ciri so much but I read kind of alot in the wikiwitcher and I think that the most childish character garelt caring about its Ciri
(Sorry if that disappointed you and sorry about my English :) )
 
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HeelPower

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Feb 5, 2014
ReptilePZ said:
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http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Ciri
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Ciri isn't young enough to fall in this category though, right ? At least during the course of TW3.

TheMorbidAtheist said:
Eww, children. Why would anyone want to burden themselves with them other than to boost their own ego, extend their family name, get unconditional love, have something to play with and force someone to take care of them when they are old and then possibly condemning their kids to endure suffering in life, probably consuming animals and ultimately dying is beyond me.
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Imo its a way for Geralt to find peace and solace.Other than his turbulent romantic relationships and constant battle, its another way for Geralt to find fulfillment in life.

Its a way with which Geralt contribute even more to the world by raising a good person.Its also a form of platonic love that is different from friendships or romances with women.

Children are innocent and pure.Qualities rarely ever experienced by Geralt.
Ofcourse I am hoping this would be an optional scenario and not anything forced.For those who maynot want to deal with children in the game.
 
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TheMorbidAtheist

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Feb 5, 2014
alyza said:
Imo its a way for Geralt to find peace and solace.Other than his turbulent romantic relationships and constant battle, its another for Geralt to find fulfillment in life.

Its a way with which Geralt contribute even more to the world by raising a good person.Its also a form of platonic love that is different from friendships or romances with women.
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All of these things can be easily applied to adoption. Again, "by contributing to the world", you bypassed my meat-eating statement, getting sick, heart-broken, brutally dying in war, and ultimately dying of old age. You are cherry picking.

I don't think that life applies to Geralt. He contributes much more to the world by slaying monsters (given that humanity decides to stick around).
The less people he cares about he better off he will be.

I think Geralt (my version of him anyway) isn't concerned with the supposed purity or innocence of children. Don't forget, following the mutation his emotions acquired a different form - they became a lesser version than that of humans. Heck, his post-mutantion identity has not even acquired the cold calculating Spock mentality. He'd rather not deal with the problems facing the world even if he can calculate the short-term benefits of his actions.

I'd argue that with great power comes great responsibility. He is an agile fighter and can easily take a dozen foes at a time - a perfect soldier if you will. But since there are no good or bad guys in the Witcher world there is no need for him to take up arms since there is no knowing of the long-term effects that his actions may bring.

In the LOTR universe it was easy. Humans = good. Trolls/Orcs = bad;

in the end, I don't think he can ever live life reserved for normal humans He did joke that the farmer's life would never suit him.
 
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ReptilePZ

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Feb 5, 2014
alyza said:
Ciri isn't young enough to fall in this category though, right ? At least during the course of TW3.
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I don't really think age changes much.
 
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HeelPower

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Feb 5, 2014
TheMorbidAtheist said:
All of these things can be easily applied to adoption. Again, "by contributing to the world", you bypassed my meat-eating statement, getting sick, heart-broken, brutally dying in war, and ultimately dying of old age. You are cherry picking.

I don't think that life applies to Geralt. He contributes much more to the world by slaying monsters (given that humanity decides to stick around).
The less people he cares about he better off he will be.
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Yeah this life is too "normal" for Geralt ,but do you think he doesn't hope for some glimmer of that ?

Or else why would he ask kalkstein about infertility.Also yeah Geralt could adopt or assume the role of a guardian to a child he comes across in TW3.Or at least the game could allow some form of interaction like that.

Also, I guess I am sorry for your negative outlook on kids.They are beautiful :p
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I don't really think age changes much.
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Oh it does.I am specifically thinking of children since they are a white slate of sorts and that type of relationship would be wildly different from one with grown ups.Especially in the Witcher-verse.
 
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Sephira

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Feb 5, 2014
Ciri is like a daughter for Geralt, and he is like a father for her. Same thing with Yennefer and Ciri. We can say they are her parents. So even if infertility can't be resolved, and this was/is a serious thing for Yennefer, they have both gained happiness with Ciri in the books.

Now that Ciri will certainly make an appearance in TW3 we could see some "touching" moments between them. Or, at least, I hope so.
 
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TheMorbidAtheist

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Feb 5, 2014
alyza said:
Yeah this life is too "normal" for Geralt ,but do you think he doesn't hope for some glimmer of that ?

Or else why would he ask kalkstein about infertility.Also yeah Geralt could adopt or assume the role of a guardian to a child he comes across in TW3.Or at least the game could allow some form of interaction like that.

Also, I guess I am sorry for your negative outlook on kids.They are beautiful :p
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Hey may hope for a "normal" life but I think he knows himself. He can't hide his scars and he can't hide his past and whatever he did. I doubt he'd be a good teller of bed-time stories. "So honey, let me tell you how I got this scar you keep asking about..." He is damaged goods for "normal" life. But I don't think it's a bad thing.

As far as we know there is only one recorded instance of him asking about his infertility. Perhaps, in the least, he'd want to have the choice. One instance of something happening is not enough for a statistical probability equation. It's like arguing that since life has happened on Earth then it must have happened elsewhere in the Universe while we have no proof to back that up. We actually may be the only ones here, given how improbable life is. We don't know for sure yet.

Don't be sorry. I'm not. They may be cute and cuddly but then eventually they turn into us. Everyone loves a puppy....
 
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ReptilePZ

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Feb 5, 2014
alyza said:
Oh it does.I am specifically thinking of children since they are a white slate of sorts and that type of relationship would be wildly different from one with grown ups.Especially in the Witcher-verse.
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He's already been through the "blank slate" period, as you put it. Time to move on to the next phase. He's emotionally invested in Ciri, not in the general idea of having a young child. I believe he's more interested in the family aspect. After the events in the books and now that Geralt has regained his memory, Ciri is his family.
 
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HeelPower

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Feb 5, 2014
ReptilePZ said:
He's already been through the "blank slate" period, as you put it. Time to move on to the next phase. He's emotionally invested in Ciri, not in the general idea of having a young child. I believe he's more interested in the family aspect. After the events in the books and now that Geralt has regained his memory, Ciri is his family.
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No wonder why the fans want to see her. Honestly I wasn't aware of the nature of Geralt and Ciri's relationship.I can't wait to meet Ciri!

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Hey may hope for a "normal" life but I think he knows himself. He can't hide his scars and he can't hide his past and whatever he did. I doubt he'd be a good teller of bed-time stories. "So honey, let me tell you how I got this scar you keep asking about..." He is damaged goods for "normal" life. But I don't think it's a bad thing.

As far as we know there is only one recorded instance of him asking about his infertility. Perhaps, in the least, he'd want to have the choice. One instance of something happening is not enough for a statistical probability equation. It's like arguing that since life has happened on Earth then it must have happened elsewhere in the Universe while we have no proof to back that up. We actually may be the only ones here, given how improbable life is. We don't know for sure yet.

Don't be sorry. I'm not. They may be cute and cuddly but then eventually they turn into us. Everyone loves a puppy....
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I agree that's its almost impossible for Geralt to have this kind of ordinary life nor does it suit him.But I am still hoping even for a feelting moment that Geralt could bond with a kid.

It was awesome with Alvin and the fanboy inside me wants more :)
 
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vivaxardas2015

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Feb 5, 2014
ReptilePZ said:
He's already been through the "blank slate" period, as you put it. Time to move on to the next phase. He's emotionally invested in Ciri, not in the general idea of having a young child. I believe he's more interested in the family aspect. After the events in the books and now that Geralt has regained his memory, Ciri is his family.
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Yep, he got Ciri already. Given TWH and all, it does not look like he is done with taking care of her. Also Yen is somewhere out there, with no memory, and, given her unconventional character, sure as hell will get, or already in trouble. As I see it, he already has a family to take of, and simply does not have time to spare for another kid. Then one day Ciri will have her own kids, and Geralt will be a grand-daddy. One can only hope.
 
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soldiergeralt

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Feb 6, 2014
TheMorbidAtheist said:
Eww, children. Why would anyone want to burden themselves with them other than to boost their own ego, extend their family name, get unconditional love, have something to play with and force someone to take care of them when they are old and then possibly condemning their kids to endure suffering in life, probably consuming animals and ultimately dying is beyond me.
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are you serious? why do you think geralt even bothers to continue his profession? why even kill monsters? are you going to give me a cop out non-answer like "that's the only thing he's good at"?

clearly he's driven by human instincts and emotions. why wouldn't the very human yearning for offspring apply to him?
 
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Mataresa

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Feb 6, 2014
I think, Ciri is and will be his only child. There is a time when you foster a young child, but that time has passed for him. Now his child is grown up and this special bond can't be replaced by another child. It was a miracle he even had one child, I don't think, he can feel the same for another. And like you said, even though he might wish for peace and a quiet life, he knows, he can never settle down and have it. It is not his nature. Which is kind of tragic, but makes him very lovable. There is this softness and kindness inside him, which just can't live and blossom, but he managed to reserve it all these years under hardship. And some people get to experience it. And then it is special.
 
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Tutux

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Feb 6, 2014
In addition to witcher 1, there is that scene if you side with Roach, the death of the traitor when Geralt sees Morel's child :") it was SO cute, the way he looked at him and how he was the only one that tried to take care of his fate and thought of Seherim or whatever his name.

I doubt there will be another chance for Geralt to have a new child, it would be nice and all, and I WOULD die from those moments. Yet, I know that was his wish for a very very long time so by that time when he got Ciri, he was THANKFUL enough to have at least one child in his life! He was trying to help, protect and take care of her as much as possible and give her all of his love~ seeing that he had at moments troubles with Yen~ so Ciri was the chance for him to have that kind of unbreakable love! And he gave her all of his. That, I think, he might had none for another child or even thought of having another~ that moment that he loved Ciri, it was enough for him to be happy and satisfied, he didn't think of another, it was like his wish was fulfilled.
 
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darcler

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Feb 6, 2014
Mataresa said:
It was a miracle he even had one child
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Destiny, to be precise ;)
 
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ReptilePZ

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Feb 6, 2014
Yes... she's a Destiny's child and a true survivor...

[video=youtube;Wmc8bQoL-J0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmc8bQoL-J0[/video]

Sorry.
 
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Zyzzx

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Feb 6, 2014
Some how in Geralt's case it would more likely happen like this:
While finishing a third pint of ale a young lad comes over and sucker punches him saying "that is for abandoning my mother"....thus beginning the quest " Who is your daddy?".
 
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arkblazer

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Feb 7, 2014
alyza said:
One ,I feel, of the major issues Geralt faces in his life is the impossibility of becoming a biological parent. Witchers can't father children . One of the most touching moments in TW1 was Geralt meekly asking Kalkstein if he had found anything concerning infertility. In TW1 Geralt can be very tender and endearing when dealing with Alvin.

So I believe that Geralt has some desire to become a father and he has a caring side specific to children which was shown in TW1.I hope there is a quest in which Geralt could possibly hope to adopt a child,since "curing" infertility seems very unlikely in our Witcher's case.Maybe we can save a child from danger and start caring for him/her in our house (if its possible to own houses in TW3)

It seems very unlikely in the current turmoil in the north and particularly in the white wolf's turbulent schedule ,but I sure hope we get to form a fatherly connection with a child in TW3.It would be wonderful!

What are your thoughts ? Think its possible or too farth fetched for Geralt to become a father/guardian in TW3 ?
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What you just said, was kinda the main point of the whole novels and what we expect to be an important part of W3, OP.
reading you posts i recommend you give the novels a try.
 
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