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prince_of_nothing

Forum veteran
#341
Jun 16, 2013
AgentBlue said:
The topic is «stupid» and then you go and take part? How pungent.

No. It's not subjective at all. Women in their twenties and thirties tend to have narrower waists than men, so as to accentuate their hip to waist ratio. It's a sign of fertility.

Maybe Geralt had his stomach removed, so it's all armour in there. Now that's a reasonable explanation />/>/>/>
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I mixed up my terminology. Men have narrower hips than women, not waists. In any event, masculine men with high testosterone levels tend to have a wide shoulder to waist ratio and they don't need to be going to the gym to get it, so Geralt looks just fine and naturally masculine.

 
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Sirnaq

Rookie
#342
Jun 16, 2013
I completely don't understand this armor design. Why do he need such shoulder pads? What? Does he have vital organs in the shoulders? Also they would kinda restrict his arm movements. Why vital spots that would need some extra protection are extra thin? This armor design not only looks fucking stupid but also doesn't make any sense. Just look at his uppor body. He have hardened leather over chainmail on the chest, protecting his ribs yet soft stomach is only protected by thin layer of chain-mail.
 
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wichat

Mentor
#343
Jun 16, 2013
Sirnaq said:
I completely don't understand this armor design. Why do he need such shoulder pads? What? Does he have vital organs in the shoulders? Also they would kinda restrict his arm movements. Why vital spots that would need some extra protection are extra thin? This armor design not only looks fucking stupid but also doesn't make any sense. Just look at his uppor body. He have hardened leather over chainmail on the chest, protecting his ribs yet soft stomach is only protected by thin layer of chain-mail.
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Here, I agree with you, I don't understand this design. Maybe is only an aesthetic preference of CDPR's creators or maybe the result of consulting some of the professional stunt who give their moves to Geralt in fight (among others).

Here, well, I cannot be partial. I Love the Raven Armor!!!


Edit: I admit in this picture it looks.... special, if it had a standard length, covering the whole torso, no one would have complained Geralt's waist .... pity that the dark areas are so dark.

 
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prince_of_nothing

Forum veteran
#344
Jun 16, 2013
Wichat said:
Here, I agree with you, I don't understand this design. Maybe is only an aesthetic preference of CDPR's creators or maybe the result of consulting some of the professional stunt who give their moves to Geralt in fight (among others).
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A lot of real armor types were like that, so I think it's a weight saving design. A Witcher is all about very fast, explosive movements during fighting so he doesn't want his armor to slow him down more than necessary.
 
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wichat

Mentor
#345
Jun 16, 2013
I see. Spakwoski always describes him like a deadly and agile dancer of the sowrd fight, more than a warrior, doing impossible jumps and contortions. If CDPR, as they say lately, wants to show us this master of swordplay, this design of armor makes some sense. If I like it or not is another thing.
 
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kitta

Rookie
#346
Jun 16, 2013
PrinceofNothing said:
I was just curious as to how people can equate a narrow waist with femininity, when a narrow waist is typically a masculine trait. So perhaps they are used to seeing men with thick waistlines (or perhaps they have a thick waistline themselves) and think thats normal and masculine.
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Again with the ad hominems, do I need to post a picture of myself to prove I am not fat? Will that make my opinion more valid to you? Wow.

I don't think I should respond to you, but it needs to be said: there's a difference between thick (implying fattiness) and wide (implying greater girth in the lower abdomen, unrelated to fat).

Secondly, unless you can present with any qualifying credentials, please refrain from making generalizing statements like "narrow waist is typically a masculine trait".

The issue to me is that Geralt looks abnormal as not only a man, but also a human being- he looks like a cartoon since his waist is comically smaller/curvy relative to his chest and shoulders, and this phenomenon is made worse because of the armor.

It's all in your head. His waist does not look disproportionately small to me, because I can disassociate the thickness of his armor pieces from his actual build. It only looks that way because he's wearing a chest and shoulder pieces which artificially augment the size of his upper torso.

Again, try disassociating the armor from his actual build and you'll see his build is perfectly proportionate.
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Please don't act like your opinion is the negating force in the discussion. It's very rude to try to minimize what someone is saying by saying things like "it's in your head".

The reason I think you're wrong, however, is because you are attributing too much emphasis on the shoulder padding, which is barely voluminous. The shoulder pads do not add as much girth to the upper body as we think because the armor overall is very tight; therefore, most of the girth of the upper body is Geralt's own.

Compare these pictures:





It's not only the narrowness of the waist, but also the exaggerated curves, which make him look like a cartoon.
 
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unclejoe.480

Rookie
#347
Jun 16, 2013
kitta said:
Again with the ad hominems, do I need to post a picture of myself to prove I am not fat? Will that make my opinion more valid to you? Wow.

I don't think I should respond to you, but it needs to be said: there's a difference between thick (implying fattiness) and wide (implying greater girth in the lower abdomen, unrelated to fat).

Secondly, unless you can present with any qualifying credentials, please refrain from making generalizing statements like "narrow waist is typically a masculine trait".

The issue to me is that Geralt looks abnormal as not only a man, but also a human being- he looks like a cartoon since his waist is comically smaller/curvy relative to his chest and shoulders, and this phenomenon is made worse because of the armor.



Please don't act like your opinion is the negating force in the discussion. It's very rude to try to minimize what someone is saying by saying things like "it's in your head".

The reason I think you're wrong, however, is because you are attributing too much emphasis on the shoulder padding, which is barely voluminous. The shoulder pads do not add as much girth to the upper body as we think because the armor overall is very tight; therefore, most of the girth of the upper body is Geralt's own.

Compare these pictures:

It's not only the narrowness of the waist, but also the exaggerated curves, which make him look like a cartoon.
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Thank you for this post. A true voice of reason.
I wanted to make some pictures comparision myself to make people understand, but then realised it`s going to be fruitless. So,I had enough of this and gave up arguing couple of days ago.

+1
 
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cmdr_silverbolt

Senior user
#348
Jun 16, 2013
I just want to say that Geralt is hot (pic included)



That is all.
 

IsengrimR

Guest
#349
Jun 17, 2013
Maybe we could invite some... women???

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPllpzxmM5k[/media]

But seriously... the waist is ok. We dismissed that claim.
 
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kitta

Rookie
#350
Jun 17, 2013
Not that it should make a difference, but I am a woman. I don't understand why being a man should minimize my opinion in this matter. FYI- you're just as sexist when you exclude an opinion on the virtue of it coming from a man.

Secondly, I still see a quite a distribution of opinion, so making statements such as "we dismissed that claim" are invalid :p
 
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Aliastasia

Forum regular
#351
Jun 17, 2013
- what she said.

/A,
 

IsengrimR

Guest
#352
Jun 17, 2013
kitta said:
Not that it should make a difference, but I am a woman. I don't understand why being a man should minimize my opinion in this matter. FYI- you're just as sexist when you exclude an opinion on the virtue of it coming from a man.

Secondly, I still see a quite a distribution of opinion, so making statements such as "we dismissed that claim" are invalid :p/>
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Seriously, You cannot even make a joke these days (Didn't watch the video, did ya? What are you people doing in your free time? Not watching "gamer's poop"? ). Even in the topic that is mostly a semi-joke thread. ( See few first pages ).

I hardly care what gender You are. I am not sexist. Thank You very much.

Geralt's waist looks ridiculous in comparison to TW2 :p Simple. My opinion. Deal with it. :cool:
 
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kitta

Rookie
#353
Jun 17, 2013
ColIsengrim said:
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Seriously, You cannot even make a joke these days (Didn't watch the video, did ya? What are you people doing in your free time? Not watching "gamer's poop"? ). Even in the topic that is mostly a semi-joke thread. ( See few first pages ).

I hardly care what gender You are. I am not sexist. Thank You very much.
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I don't have time for Gamer's Poop! I am too busy being self-righteous!

(sorry)

ColIsengrim said:
Geralt's waist looks ridiculous in comparison to TW2 :p/> Simple. My opinion. Deal with it. :cool:/>
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Yes, it does. *high-five*
 
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prince_of_nothing

Forum veteran
#354
Jun 17, 2013
kitta said:
Again with the ad hominems, do I need to post a picture of myself to prove I am not fat? Will that make my opinion more valid to you? Wow.
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How on Earth is that an ad hominem? Did I call you fat or imply you were overweight? It was just honest curiosity that led me to say that..

After all, there are places in the World where half the population or more is either obese or overweight so that could explain why the OP and a few others believe a man having a narrow waist is girlish or feminine..

Secondly, unless you can present with any qualifying credentials, please refrain from making generalizing statements like "narrow waist is typically a masculine trait".
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I already corrected my previous erroneous assertion that men had narrower waists than women. It was the hips I was thinking of, and not the waistline.

So men do indeed have thicker waists than women. But, men have a more exaggerated shoulder to waist ratio than women do as well so it may "appear" that their waist is slimmer when it's not.

And my credentials is reality. Honestly, if I said men were generally stronger than women, you would want credentials for that as well wouldn't you since we're all supposed to be 100% equal and interchangeable..

The issue to me is that Geralt looks abnormal as not only a man, but also a human being- he looks like a cartoon since his waist is comically smaller/curvy relative to his chest and shoulders, and this phenomenon is made worse because of the armor.
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So a man with a V shape torso is abnormal? I guess I'm a mutant or something then.. Is a woman with an hourglass shape abnormal too? You'll probably say no, which is basically a double standard.

Men with V shape torsos may be rare, but they certainly exist. As I said on my previous page, men like that typically have naturally high levels of circulating testosterone which gives them that V shaped upper body, and women find men like that very attractive because it's an indicator of strength.

And since Geralt is a obviously a very masculine, physical strong man/mutant, I don't see a problem with CDPR making his build reflect those traits by giving him a V shaped torso.

Please don't act like your opinion is the negating force in the discussion. It's very rude to try to minimize what someone is saying by saying things like "it's in your head".
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I'm just stating my opinion that's all. You're too quick to find slights and insults in everything, even when there isn't.

We're just too obviously opinionated people having a discussion that's all..

The reason I think you're wrong, however, is because you are attributing too much emphasis on the shoulder padding, which is barely voluminous. The shoulder pads do not add as much girth to the upper body as we think because the armor overall is very tight; therefore, most of the girth of the upper body is Geralt's own.
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Yes, Geralt has a V shaped upper body, but the armor also adds to that as well. Look at the abdomen and how the middle is chainmail only, while the outer sections are covered in additional leather.

That creates an optical illusion that his torso is narrower than it really appears. If his abdomen was covered ONLY in chainmail or leather, then the illusion would be destroyed.

Looking again at the superimposed comparison picture the lovely Wichat posted and you'll see that the waistline is basically the same as in Witcher 2:



It's not only the narrowness of the waist, but also the exaggerated curves, which make him look like a cartoon.
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When you say exaggerated curves, do you mean the section where the chainmail connects to the leather?
 
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chaos17

Rookie
#355
Jun 17, 2013
Don't put an in game character on an artwork, it isn't the same "body".
Better take 3 model of witcher 2 and put it on a 3D model of Withcer 3 because they're in game character (holy god sorry if I don't make sense).

In my opinion, the change in the clothe that he is wearing it make him look like skiner than in Wither 2.
So only CD Red project can tell us if they took the same body for Geralt in Witcher 2 for Witcher 3.
 
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wichat

Mentor
#356
Jun 17, 2013
Ok then... but I advice ou that with this comparison, TW2-Geralt is really... thin with his jacket off (Am I the only who can really see how a body could be under its clothes?) ... And I've taken once more the head as reference for scale...





 
Kinley

Kinley

Ex-moderator
#357
Jun 17, 2013
Chaos17 said:
So only CD Red project can tell us if they took the same body for Geralt in Witcher 2 for Witcher 3.
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I imagine the Reds right now just sitting back, looking at this thread and eating popcorn.
 
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wichat

Mentor
#358
Jun 17, 2013
Kinl3y said:
I imagine the Reds right now just sitting back, looking at this thread and eating popcorn.
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Surely! perhaps because they know why they have create this armor ... and we don't :p/>
 
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cherrydub

Rookie
#359
Jul 17, 2013
I thought his trews looked a bit tight in the trailer ... Just saying. Maybe Geralt found some Spanx on that Mysterious Merchant to go with his tummy cincher.

*I was fully expecting to be amused by picture of Geralt in lingerie when I saw the title of this thread ... Slightly gutted that wasn't the case. I'm sure that would have generated some disturbing fanfic.
 
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Michael_Knelius

Senior user
#360
Jul 17, 2013
Juuuhan said:
As for the armours visual, it makes sense. If you are fighting in combat you don't want loose clothes as they slow down your movement. Geralt kill monsters (and sometimes people), I don't think he will prefer nice looking robes compared of what is efficient in a battle of life and death.
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You are right, but also wrong. You don't want too loose of an armor, but you also don't want tight fitting armor.

I know some people here are going to say "This is a game, it doesn't have to be realistic.", and yes it is a game, it doesn't have to be realistic, but being real as posible increases immersion and makes me suspend my disbelief alot more than usual.

With that said, armor not only has to protect from slashing, cutting, piercing, etc. it also needs to protect from different kinds of trauma as much as posible. That is why knights and men-at-arms who were wearing armor always had padding beneath it, be it chainmail or plate armour. If you don't have padding, since the armor doesn't disperse all of the energy, your body will be subjected to a part of the energy of the strike. Even if the sword doesn't penetrate mail, without padding, you still can end up with broken bones.

The armor Geralt is wearing in the latest trailers and pictures is tight fitting, which isn't goo IMO. CDPR did it right with heavier armor in W2, especialy the model for Zirael, Ban Ard, Seltkirk's, etc. armor.

EDIT: IMO, Geralt should look like he did in the "Rise of the White Wolf" trailer. That's how a swordsman who uses two-handed swords should look like, as the fighting styles with such swords imply constant moving and twisting of the lower body, which needs to be muscular more than usual. Another example of such physique is Toshiro Mifune in "Seven Samurai".
 
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