on top of that he has played in cyberpunk themed movies before
on top of that he has played in cyberpunk themed movies before
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On the other hand, I think about companies like from software which would never do anything like that. Without claiming that they're better than others because they respect players: facts speak louder than words and sorry if I feel treated like a second class gamer (sorry mods, that's how I feel, you can edit it out again), but that's how it is. And CDPR knew it, as claimed in the message, yet they deliberately decided to do this.
Again, I don't really want to continue on this topic. Wasted time.
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I don't recall a single time when a gameplay video was shown to some audience (not press/influencers, real audience) and not to the rest of the world.
On the other hand, I think about companies like from software which would never do anything like that. Without claiming that they're better than others because they respect players: facts speak louder than words and sorry if I feel treated like a second class gamer (sorry mods, that's how I feel, you can edit it out again), but that's how it is. And CDPR knew it, as claimed in the message, yet they deliberately decided to do this.
Again, I don't really want to continue on this topic. Wasted time.
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By doing this they're showing their gameplay to an audience without handing them over the footage.
Maybe they are not feeling 100% ready yet to upload a footage that everyone can rewatch and analyse frame by frame.
Now that preorders are open they cannot easily say "everything is subject to change" like they did last year so they might being more cautious about it.
Maybe they are not feeling 100% ready yet to upload a footage that everyone can rewatch and analyse frame by frame.
Now that preorders are open they cannot easily say "everything is subject to change" like they did last year so they might being more cautious about it.
I'm assuming in your comparison that Game X is a small, crowdfunded indie game and Game Y is a big budget title that needs to rival in the Triple A market?
If not, you're going to have to give me examples of Game X.
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Rang the bell on Godwin's law rather quickly and desperatly there. And just like Godwin's law, you've killed reasonable discussion with incredulous hyperbole.
People need to chill if they start comparing this with the worst of WW2.
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Absolutely not still i don't want to make unnecessary publicity suffice to say it was a game shown at the past E3 many in the pc market were expecting and is still in hype about it. Maybe not from a big studio as Cd Projekt red but still is not crowdfunded and the fact the software house is a AAA company should not justify shady marketing tactics.
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Very well said,and I agree 110%. Too much complaining given the stellar treatment we are getting from CDPR.
For all the people who ordered the Cyberpunk 2077 Collector's Edition from Amazon DE, I've contacted Amazon to ask a few questions.
You will get the box content in german language and there is a possibility that CDPR may have to censor the game in Germany due to the age-restriction group USK in Germany.
Considering the tough scenes from Cyberpunk game, I think they very well may force a censorship for Germany, as the USK was always sensitive in this terms with other games. It always takes a while until they confirm it if there is going to be a censorship or not.
Any info from CDPR regarding censorship in Germany maybe? But I think you guys are clueless too for the time being, unless you already had a chit-chat with USK.
I also called Game UK shop (since it wasn't working for me to oder there due to an error after payment), they told me that they cannot ship the CE internationally, so their offer is only exclusive to UK. What a bummer.
You will get the box content in german language and there is a possibility that CDPR may have to censor the game in Germany due to the age-restriction group USK in Germany.
Considering the tough scenes from Cyberpunk game, I think they very well may force a censorship for Germany, as the USK was always sensitive in this terms with other games. It always takes a while until they confirm it if there is going to be a censorship or not.
Any info from CDPR regarding censorship in Germany maybe? But I think you guys are clueless too for the time being, unless you already had a chit-chat with USK.
I also called Game UK shop (since it wasn't working for me to oder there due to an error after payment), they told me that they cannot ship the CE internationally, so their offer is only exclusive to UK. What a bummer.
There is no reason to fear censoreship. The BPjM is the major issue, not the USK and the BPjM doesn't have the power it used to have. Zombie games were pretty close to forbidden in Germany and that time is over, several games with "tough scenes" are released uncensored and rereleased. Examples: Mortal Kombat and Dead Rising. Also they can't force censoreship, they can merely refuse a rating and even that doesn't have to mean anything. Dead Space 1 was refused two times, Dead Space 2 submitted six times (thanks to Bavaria).
It was not a comparison with ww2, at all, I was just refusing the concept of whataboutism. Anyway, not really important.
P.s. sorry mods, I thought dictatorships from 1930's were not really considered a political subject today. My bad.
I'd call it highly regrettable if nothing else, but I will agree that it goes to show the passion of the fanbase. Lots of strong feelings here, prefaced by a *not really important* shrug before jumping back in.
I feel you guys, I really do. I wish this were different too and I know this isn't ideal.
Accusations of Whataboutism are only apt when people are trying to excuse even worse behavior. Or even more detrimental, if they're trying to excuse worse behavior by trying to convince others that "other's would've done it too".
EA, does whataboutism when trying to squeeze lootboxes into the market and calling it "fun engagement". Ubisoft, does whataboutism when putting DRM on their games and blaming pirates.
CDPR is being honest with us, wich is a hell of a lot better than what gamers are getting today at this Tier of the gaming Market. They're trying to rival the other players, but being transparant with us in the progress.
If I present arguments on how CDPR is doing better than most, than accusations of Whataboutism are misplaced. You're looking for a different term. If I were to call myself anything, I'd be an apologist, grasping at whatever I can to defend my favorite brand. A rare occurence, but I'm happy to be proven wrong and mocked on April 12th if it gets worse than this.
I'll keep defending that point for some time to come.
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I think they paid them very well to keep their mouth shut.
Also:
CDPR doesn't generate hype, they're just doing their job right.
They created a trailer in 2013 to appeal people into making the game with them (and look at how GOOD they fleshed Night City).
Then, once they're surrounded by fans working in their studios, even in the game is rude to make etc...
In the end, they're all here for the passion of it, and because they're motivated to make a freaking good game out of it (mostly because they're just as fan as we are of the franchise).
That's basicaly how you avoid your Mr-Random405 to leak shits from your game, just "because the coffee tastes like shit and we're not getting paid enough". Cyberpunk 2077 were made by fan, for fans, and you can feel it, reason why CDPR needed such a big budget, I think they do have a lot of crazy ideas but can't show them at the moment (just to keep people interested).
For the "hype" thing, it's a marketing scheme, you can saddly build hype with anything, even dog poop nowadays.
And it's understandable, it's how it goes when you're trying to sell an "artistic media", you have to generate buzz and attention.
Now, I won't pre-order it, ever, even if I find the game amazing.
Because, as "CDPR" as they are, selling me a game, 1years in advance, without telling me much than "Gimme your money and I'll maybe tell you a bit more stuff later", is closer to Activision than a company that cares about their gamer's audience (I mean, could've been delayed a bit more, not to look like a bunch of cash-grabber surfing on the hype, they could easily have done the same last year...). And then what?
The game will be delayed a bit, and people will complain "yeah, you thief, I paid for it 1year ago".... Lol.
CDPR just like anyone else, is faithfull...untill they're not (microtransaction and such? They're maybe grabbing your wallet now before anyone can complain...).
So, we will see how it goes about that.
But if the game is good and that it runs on my PC, I'll buy it for sure, but yeah... Not 1year in advance without at leat 1hour of solid gameplay (I don't even know if the RP will be New Vegas/Bloodline, or Fallout 4"s "Yes/No/Maybe".
I'm amazed by the talent and work CDPR put into this, it's exactly how we used to play it with my players, so I'm 100% behind you guys.
On another hands, don't blame me for not trusting your Marketing department, it's their job to milk us out.
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Me: "CDPR did something """bad"""
You: "But EA did something worse".
Sounds pretty like whataboutism to me. And with this I quit and won't reply on the subject, because 1) it's off topic and 2) I've already wrote several times that I don't see any point in continuing a conversation about this story. Nothing will change, neither CDPR's behaviour towards us nor my opinion on this strategy.
You: "But EA did something worse".
Sounds pretty like whataboutism to me. And with this I quit and won't reply on the subject, because 1) it's off topic and 2) I've already wrote several times that I don't see any point in continuing a conversation about this story. Nothing will change, neither CDPR's behaviour towards us nor my opinion on this strategy.
Just wanted to let folks know Amazon have an exclusive steelbook for their standard editions
Then I'll correct the record on what you're assuming that I'm saying and leave it at that:
For me to be guilty of whataboutism, I'll need to accuse you of hypocricy and deflect your point. I am not doing that. I am fully conscious that CDPR's decision is not at all the most optimum decision for us, the consumer. I've stated this from the very beginning and fully acknowledge that your frustration with the situation is warranted. I've not deflected or failed to respond to your point. In fact, you "won". BrokenEnglish? I AGREE with you that this decision is bad and that a better situation should've been possible and would indeed be preferable.
The difference is that I'm able to take a position where I can understand and defend CDPR's decision also. Your problem is that I won't stop expressing a counterview that I find relevant, because you don't like it. Still, I think it's worthy of being considered though, alongside agreeing with you that the thing was bad. I am not expecting to change your mind, nor that your point is now invalid. I am not saying that you're a hypocrit, but instead, that there's a reason for what is happening.
- F. Scott Fitzgerald
Let's function together and do as Southpark did: Have our cake and eat it too.
You can continue being righteously indignant towards something we both agree is bad. Meanwhile, I at the same time will come up with a probable reason for why this is happening, without undermining your valid dissapointment. I remain capable of retaining hope that this is a necessary evil that will allow CDPR to gain a good enough foothold in the market to change the industry. I hope my viewpoint will encourage CDPR to do good, if they happened to be right.
Come April, I'm not adverse to be proven wrong, which is why I have no problem at all recognizing your point, or doing this little correspondence without getting too worked up.
I do hope you'll stop by before august though. If the forums would be nothing but types like me, CDPR would come under the impression they can get away with more. I need people like you to keep them second guessing. Such is the delight of a good debate. I'm sure your opinion is worth more than you think it is to CDPR. It is to me.