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Dr_Sinister420

Dr_Sinister420

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#21
Dec 29, 2020
There is a big difference between criticism and shitposting to which, there's more shitposting than criticism going on. Name calling, threats, threats of lawsuits, saying they suck, the game sucks, scam ect is not criticism. Questioning their design choice of first person would be criticism
 
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tripleking

tripleking

Forum regular
#22
Dec 29, 2020
Neurojack said:
My central point, though, is that neither this forum or the Youtube commentary are representative of player opinions as a whole, regardless of the moderation being fair or not. I guess console players have legitimate reasons to be angry with the studio, because of a bad launch... but the exaggeration, hyperbole and plain negativity about everything that Cyberpunk 2077 is, just doesn't depict the entirety of its gameplay or features. Even less so, when we know full well that the bugs are being actively fixed, and there is likely much more content to be added in the future.

One thing is valid criticism. Another, plain exaggeration and dishonesty, like talking about some problems in the game but taking them entirely out of context or making them central to the core of the game. This is very unfair to devs... and strange too, that in Steam, actual gamers are much more positive about the game.

In fact, we could wonder if the most vocal negative people are composed 100% of outspoken gamers... or there is also something different. For all we know, there could also be covert Rockstar employees, to make an example, trying to manipulate social media in the middle of this noise. Frankly, in many discussions about CP2077, there seems to me like there is people with a overt fixation with the GTA series. Sometimes they seem more interested in doing marketing for that series, instead of discussing this game on its own merits.
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The thing that annoyed me a little is the" coming: when its ready " in their first Cyberpunk 2077 trailer.
I am sure i am not the only one being annoyed by that.
consumers have their right too criticize the companies if its not delivered correctly the way they advertised or promised which is the case with Cyberpunk 2077 sadly. what happened is greed consumed the CDPR management leader. Even if it was one man decision too release the game unfinished, i cannot see a good reason why the CDPR devs did not stand up against it or announce it too the community.. I am not gonna write everything i wrote before..

I played the pc version for 8 hours around 2-3 hours free roaming, and when i see people defending the pc version saying its amazing on pc "few issues" etc.. that just makes me laugh allot on how in denial these players are. I will try play the game after 6 months and see how it is, right now i am just following each patch on how things are going.. curious about the 2 large patches they making for January & February of course its console focused i still know there will be some improvements for pc version as well..
 
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low_klass_intelekt

low_klass_intelekt

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#23
Dec 29, 2020
Nekrofreeman said:
Hi. I don't really know where can I post some feedback for developers, so I post it here. If it's incorrect, I think moderation team will move it in a right place.

I want to say Thank You for all people who worked at CB2077. This game has a lot of issues, but this doesn't deserve all of these shitstorms in web. Story part is great, open-world-exploration part is "meh" often, but it does not interfere with playing. And I think most of issues will be fixed. The only thing I really miss right now is the Gwent analog.

I want to support those who have been working on the game all this time and continue to persistently fix bugs now. Do not succumb to the screams of hysterics and hypo-eaters. You made a good game, but with a problem start. I hope that you can overcome these problems, that they will not knock you down and you will continue to delight us with great games. There are not so many really good games in the AAA segment now, and not handicrafts with dull gameplay and a bunch of microtransactions, covered with modern graphics and trending mechanics that do not work at the same time. I don't know if someone from the development team will see this message, but I would like them to know that they are great fellows and gamers who play games for themselves and know how to draw conclusions for themselves, and do not rely on twitter posting, they love cyberpunk and are ready to support you.

Kind regards,
just a lover of good games.
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well said
 
tripleking

tripleking

Forum regular
#24
Dec 29, 2020
Dr_Sinister420 said:
There is a big difference between criticism and shitposting to which, there's more shitposting than criticism going on. Name calling, threats, threats of lawsuits, saying they suck, the game sucks, scam ect is not criticism. Questioning their design choice of first person would be criticism
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i heard the lawsuits are mostly investors and seeing the negativity of Cyberpunk 2077 because of the disastrous release it gave negative impact on the investors as well which of course they do not like at all.. Its pretty normal for many too invest in Cyberpunk it was one of the most hyped game of all time.. marketing was perfect everything seemed going extremely smooth.. no game ever achieved such marketing quality.. and then the game launches and everyone sees the unfinished game.. so many make choices " hate the game ,criticize the game or defend the game. " threats are ignored & deleted and if it crossed the line those kind of people can be easily tracked down. CDPR knows when too take threats seriously and will handle it accordingly. you say "the game sucks, scam etc is not criticism" while it is. Its not difficult too see that we have been scammed by the CDPR publisher board. when people say "scam" they refer too the false marketing = criticism.. when they say the game sucks they refer too the extreme flaws the game has.. There just no possibility too free roam the game like you can with GTA.. example the first moment i played the main story for 5 hours i free roamed the game for 2 hours or so and decided too attack npc around too have some epic police chase or some police challenge.. of course my imagination kicks in on how awesome its gonna be from what they have claimed it would be.. what happens is that the moment i gained 1 star, police started too spawn in front of me or around me.. the more stars i get the more spawned.. so i get in a car and drive in some npc's which gave me instantly 4 starts the police spawned also instantly as well and and made my vehicle explode almost instantly.... the instant spawning of NCPD around the player is obviously a quick decision they made because they had no time too implement the police system they wanted.. there are so many other flaws too talk about but this text would be awful too read since my English so very basic 😁👍
 
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crspears

crspears

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#25
Dec 29, 2020
Neurojack said:
My central point, though, is that neither this forum or the Youtube commentary are representative of player opinions as a whole, regardless of the moderation being fair or not. I guess console players have legitimate reasons to be angry with the studio, because of a bad launch... but the exaggeration, hyperbole and plain negativity about everything that Cyberpunk 2077 is, just doesn't depict the entirety of its gameplay or features. Even less so, when we know full well that the bugs are being actively fixed, and there is likely much more content to be added in the future.

One thing is valid criticism. Another, plain exaggeration and dishonesty, like talking about some problems in the game but taking them entirely out of context or making them central to the core of the game. This is very unfair to devs... and strange too, that in Steam, actual gamers are much more positive about the game.

In fact, we could wonder if the most vocal negative people are composed 100% of outspoken gamers... or there is also something different. For all we know, there could also be covert Rockstar employees, to make an example, trying to manipulate social media in the middle of this noise. Frankly, in many discussions about CP2077, there seems to me like there is people with a overt fixation with the GTA series. Sometimes they seem more interested in doing marketing for that series, instead of discussing this game on its own merits.
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tl:dr its not representative of the majority opinion because it doesnt include mine
 
Nekrofreeman

Nekrofreeman

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#26
Dec 29, 2020
Okay, so I think I understand why I like this game despite of all problems. I saw only first teaser-trailer, e3 trailer and reveal trailer. And that's all. Now I rate game without any expectations. Maybe because of this I like it. Yes on first days I have terrible bugs with some scripts and animations. But it was fixed very soon. Yes PC version still have a lot of problems, but as I said in first post - it's doesn't interfere with gameplay. Situation on consoles is awful, I agreed. And this is the one really serious problem. In my experience I have another game where devs promised many features, but in release most of them was cutted off and release also was terrible. This is S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadows of Chernobyl. But this is one of my favorite games, because experience that this game still provide is cool. So, what is throw away your expectations (I know, it maybe hurt, but at these moment you don't receive any of it, maybe in future) and play in game without them. And than rate it again. What do you think, how you will score it?
 
Shaamaan

Shaamaan

Senior user
#27
Dec 29, 2020
tripleking said:
I played the pc version for 8 hours around 2-3 hours free roaming, and when i see people defending the pc version saying its amazing on pc "few issues" etc.. that just makes me laugh allot on how in denial these players are.
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Just to add some context to this. My PC is fairly powerful. My brother's... not so much (and he's not very tech savvy either). We both "play on PC", yet we've had vastly different experiences.

In my short time playing I've only experienced small visual glitches (but relatively frequently). The biggest of those was the "bald mirror" bug. Gameplay-wise the only bug I've found were the myriad of unpickable items marked with a "pick up" icon.

My brother had extremely significant visual glitching - primarily because he put the game on an HDD (as opposed to an SSD) and hadn't set the settings correctly, resulting in weirdness and poor performance all around.

That said, the constant barrage of minor visual issues was too much even for me and I've decided to ask for a refund... which is still pending despite being filed 15 days ago!

Anyway - my point is that if you're not paying too much attention AND playing on a potent PC then it's very likely you won't run into much trouble.
 
Skauron2077

Skauron2077

Rookie
#28
Dec 29, 2020
My overall experience of Cyberpunk-2077 has been nothing short of very impressive as games like this go.. Sure i've seen more than enough 'bugs' so to speak, but thusfar it has not stopped me progressing in the game. I'm playing on PC, and have seen floating entities, doors that don't open when characters move through them etc, but the only time i've had to purposely restart was near the beginning when you steal the Relic bio chip from Arasaka during the heist. Everything slowed down to slower than a crawl, for no reason at all, and I just logged out and started from the recent save and recovered very quickly with a much better experience. Now I too if i wished to could jump on the hate-train if i wanted, i've seen enough bugs and glitches to warrant it if I felt so inclined, but i just don't... because if i'm truly honest.. I forgive it due to the absolute heavy majority of things i absolutely LOVE about this game.


I also take into account 2020 itself.. it has been a year like no other in my entire life, and for a company to be able to bring a product to market with the enforced restrictions of a pandemic makes me much much more lenient. So far, i'm loving this game, and with 3 hotfixes already out, i have no doubt that more hotfixes, and then main patches will follow. Takes time, so until then i'll keep playing it til i can't play no more.. i'm up to only 8 achievements so far, but i keep trying for the others as i play as i do like to tick them off as i go :)

But for now, I would like to say a huge THANK YOU to CDPR for this wonderful game, i've enjoyed the storyline immensely and absolutely loved the relationship blossom with Panam, I do love that they add the options like that in. Night City is amazing, i love how diverse it is.. and.. seedy too.. its like watchdogs/gta/bladerunner/deus-ex all rolled into one... and for me? I think its a beautifully crafted game, and one which i'll replay again without question once i'm finished the first play through!
 
FLyingMonkeyPaints

FLyingMonkeyPaints

Forum regular
#29
Dec 29, 2020
I have to say, I was one of the people saying "just release it already, even if it's buggy!" so I can't complain too much and I won't go crazy on the the fact the game is buggy, IF they fix not just the bugs but the vast missing feature set.

That said, I don't think after 8 years, crazy money spent, and a PR hype machine designed to tout the features (Night City Wire anyone?), that anybody expected the game to still be at this level of buggy/broken/lack of features. This really feels right now like an early access game where incremental updates could really make it great. If they had sold this release as early access I don't think you'd hear a peep from 90% of the people complaining.
 
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