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JasonShepard

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#601
Mar 10, 2015
KingHochmeister said:
Let's be honest, most of us would have upgraded their PCs for other games anyway, and I highly doubt Witcher 3 will look disgusting as you put it :p
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He didn't say the game will look disgusting. He said he would be mad if it did.
The point isn't that he would have upgraded eventually anyway. The point is that he upgraded specifically to get the best experience he could in The Witcher 3.
 
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AvengerGrim

Senior user
#602
Mar 10, 2015
hamilcarBarca.196 said:
this game is the reason I have built up a 780 sli rig...
I would be mad,if the graphics were disgusting,and would think twice before buying cyber-punk
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There is a difference between "disgusting" and the footage we seen so far, a massive difference, your 780 SLI won't go to waste with the current high settings of The Witcher 3.
 
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Agent_Bleu

Banned
#603
Mar 10, 2015
KingHochmeister said:
Let's be honest, most of us would have upgraded their PCs for other games anyway, (...)
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Do you have some hard data to back that claim?

KingHochmeister said:
You ad hominems are always hilarious :p (subtle ones, of course).
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Look, you made a factual claim. I want to know how you know that. Simple. If you refuse to provide data to back such a generic claim - notice you used the generic «most of us» - I will draw conclusions. As of now, I'm guessing you have no data to back that claim. Therefore, claim is null. I will stand corrected once you provide relevant data.

AvengerGrim said:
I have a question, what would it do to you (anyone) if there was a downgrade, if the game looked slightly lower res or if the foliage wasn't as abundant, I wonder because it seems like a very big deal for certain and I'd like to know the why of it.
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You're framing «downgrade» narrowly. I for one wouldn't sum it up as «slightly lower resolution» or «grass not as abundant». But to answer your question, two implications:

1 ) I'd buy a PS4, as opposed to a beefy PC. A non trivial difference of roughly 700 quid.
2 ) I would not contemplate upgrading for CP2077. I would take CP2077 gameplay reveal trailer with an additional dose of sodium.

All these unsubstantiated claims, all these conspiracy theories regarding a nefarious plot by Microsoft and Sony to choke down TW3 PC graphics so that their respective consoles would be made to look more attractive in the eyes of gamers are just hot steam.

Unsubstantiated claims can be dismissed without substantiation.
 
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KingHochmeister

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#604
Mar 10, 2015
Agent Bleu said:
Do you have some hard data to back that claim?

Didn't think so.
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You ad hominems are always hilarious :p (subtle ones, of course).

JasonShepard said:
He didn't say the game will look disgusting. He said he would be mad if it did.
The point isn't that he would have upgraded eventually anyway. The point is that he upgraded specifically to get the best experience he could in The Witcher 3.
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Then someone would say that people should have waited until post-release and check before committing to buy a new PC.
 
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AvengerGrim

Senior user
#605
Mar 10, 2015
Agent Bleu said:
You're framing «downgrade» narrowly. I for one wouldn't sum it up as «slightly lower resolution» or «grass not as abundant».
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These were only examples, as it is the most common concern for people here it seems, the textures and the grass, I wouldn't narrow "downgrade" to these two only, which is why I highly hesitate to employ the them when we are looking at the current footage.
 
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hamilcarBarca.196

Rookie
#606
Mar 10, 2015
KingHochmeister said:
Let's be honest, most of us would have upgraded their PCs for other games anyway, and I highly doubt Witcher 3 will look as disgusting as you put it :p
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am not saying the game is disgusting,I find it really beautiful...
am just saying "if" :D
 
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JasonShepard

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#607
Mar 10, 2015
KingHochmeister said:
You ad hominems are always hilarious :p (subtle ones, of course).



Then someone would say that people should have waited until post-release and check before committing to buy a new PC.
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That's not an ad-hominem friend.

Why should he have to upgrade his PC after the game comes out? I don't know him personally, but I assume that he is a fan of The Witcher. I assume he enjoys high quality graphics in his games. So here comes The Witcher 3 with it's amazingly beautiful gameplay trailer. Why wouldn't you upgrade before the game is released rather than wait?
 
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KingHochmeister

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#608
Mar 10, 2015
JasonShepard said:
That's not an ad-hominem friend.
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Trust me, I know Blue :p

JasonShepard said:
Why should he have to upgrade his PC after the game comes out? I don't know him personally, but I assume that he is a fan of The Witcher. I assume he enjoys high quality graphics in his games. So here comes The Witcher 3 with it's amazingly beautiful gameplay trailer. Why wouldn't you upgrade before the game is released rather than wait?
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Like people kept mentioning in this thread, if the game comes out not as good as the SOD trailer footage was, and if the guy wanted to play Witcher 3 for pure graphics only without caring for the story or the choices and consequences system in the series, then he wouldn't need to feel bad about his commitment, that is my view, take it for what it is, a random forum user's opinion :p

Edit: I just read his post, my bad for misunderstanding your post @hamilcarBarca.196

:cheers:
 
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JasonShepard

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#609
Mar 10, 2015
KingHochmeister said:
Trust me, I know Blue :p



Like people kept mentioning in this thread, if the game comes out not as good as the SOD trailer footage was, and if the guy wanted to play Witcher 3 for pure graphics only without caring for the story or the choices and consequences system in the series, then he wouldn't need to feel bad about his commitment, that is my view, take it for what it is, a random forum user's opinion :p

Edit: I just read his post, my bad for misunderstanding your post @hamilcarBarca.196

:cheers:
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You know him, so his comment was an ad-hominem?
Yeah, that's still not an ad-hominem. He criticized your argument and nothing else.
 
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Kinley

Ex-moderator
#610
Mar 10, 2015
I fail to see how discussing what an ad-hominem actually is pertains to the topic of this thread.
 
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JasonShepard

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#611
Mar 10, 2015
Kinley said:
I fail to see how discussing what an ad-hominem actually is pertains to the topic of this thread.
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Yeah, sorry about that. I was emotionally triggered and sent back to Vietnam by his use of "ad-hominem". :D

On a more serious note I honestly don't think there's really much fuel left in this thread. Most people have voiced their concerns and I don't think an entire thread of photo comparisons/ you're wrong, I'm right is really going to go anywhere. I guess the only way this topic can possibly go somewhere is if:
1. We get some new footage to discuss that is on High again.
2. We get some Ultra footage (Praise the Lord) and then we can make some legitimate comparisons.
3. CDPR finally tells us which of those neat nVidia features we can expect to see in the final product

So yeah that's the rest of my opinion on this topic.
 
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djmedvedd

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#612
Mar 10, 2015
Graphic Degradation rate can be easily traced through this full The Witcher 3 screenshots chronology:
Almost Awesome (this is the first TW3 screens back in 2013 (too much sharpen filter) March 1, 2013
Awesome June 12, 2013
Awesome June 26, 2013
Awesome August 21, 2013
Awesome January 29, 2014
Not Bad June 5, 2014
Not Bad June 11, 2014
so-so August 13, 2014
Awful October 2, 2014
Awful January 26, 2015
 
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Agent_Bleu

Banned
#613
Mar 10, 2015
JasonShepard said:
Yeah, sorry about that. I was emotionally triggered and sent back to Vietnam by his use of "ad-hominem". :D

On a more serious note I honestly don't think there's really much fuel left in this thread. Most people have voiced their concerns and I don't think an entire thread of photo comparisons/ you're wrong, I'm right is really going to go anywhere. I guess the only way this topic can possibly go somewhere is if:
1. We get some new footage to discuss that is on High again.
2. We get some Ultra footage (Praise the Lord) and then we can make some legitimate comparisons.
3. CDPR finally tells us which of those neat nVidia features we can expect to see in the final product

So yeah that's the rest of my opinion on this topic.
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Actually, I have a suggestion.

CD Projekt, would you consider allocating one of those 16 free DLC to a PC-only hi-res re-texturing pack? Or any other PC-only graphic improvement like «Better grass» mod, or really anything else in that neighbourhood?
 
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Jasheon

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#614
Mar 10, 2015
bombeyboxx said:
Graphic Degradation rate can be easily traced through this full The Wticher 3 screenshots chronology:
Almost Awesome (this is first TW3 screens back in 2013 (too much sharpen filter) March 1, 2013
Awesome June 12, 2013
Awesome June 26, 2013
Awesome August 21, 2013
Awesome January 29, 2014
Not Bad June 5, 2014
Not Bad June 11, 2014
so-so August 13, 2014
Awful October 2, 2014
Awful January 26, 2015
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truth
 
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JasonShepard

Senior user
#615
Mar 10, 2015
Agent Bleu said:
I actually have a suggestion.

CD Projekt, would you consider allocating one of those 16 DLC to a PC-only hi-res re-texturing pack? Or any other PC-only graphic improvement like a better grass mod, really anything in that neighbourhood?
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I think just an extra DLC for PC players would be better instead of stealing DLC from our console friends.
But that is a good idea.
 
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TouPoutsou

Senior user
#616
Mar 10, 2015
delete it.
 
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Henryk83

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#617
Mar 10, 2015
bombeyboxx said:
Graphic Degradation rate can be easily traced through this full The Wticher 3 screenshots chronology:
Almost Awesome (this is first TW3 screens back in 2013 (too much sharpen filter) March 1, 2013
Awesome June 12, 2013
Awesome June 26, 2013
Awesome August 21, 2013
Awesome January 29, 2014
Not Bad June 5, 2014
Not Bad June 11, 2014
so-so August 13, 2014
Awful October 2, 2014
Awful January 26, 2015
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so true...
 
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JasonShepard

Senior user
#618
Mar 10, 2015
TouPoutsou said:
This topic seems to consist 3 types of posters:

1) The White Knights: The ones who insist that no downgrade or change has happened whatsoever, between any footage.

2) The moderatesL The ones who beleive that there is a clear difference between the VGX trailer and more recent builds, both in graphics and in art direction but they do not beleive there is a downgrade between Sword of Destiny and recent footage, and the game looks great anyway. They also recognise that few sacrifises should be made in order for the game to be playble.

3) The fanatics: The ones that see downgrade everywhere, and mostly blames the consoles for that.

For me, nobody will ever convince me with what we have available right now that:

1) There is not a big difference between VGX and recent footage. The town gif with the spinning kid and the ships is the most amazing trailer segment in the history of gaming. Arguments like "but the hair" or sharpening filtres and so on do not cut it. The grass and the enviroment is totally different

2) There has been a downgrade compared to SoD, and that the game does not look good, It still looks breathtaking at least as good as SoD(if you considered that ithe trailer was redered in ULTRA and carefully directed to pick the best) and i am very happy about it. I also understand that CDPR would not make any visual cuts if it was not absolutely nescesery. I do not buy the console argument because last gen consoles are very powerful, and you do not have to sacrifise much to keep the same build between platforms, and for consoles to look about as a PC will on medium/high. For last gen consoles, totally. This will concern me again as a PC player in about 3-4 years from now.

The thing is that everyone is like me. WIth the footage that we have available everyone has made its mind and it won't make a difference. We are just moving in circles. I think it would be better if ths suts down temporarily until we have new footage.
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I agree with pretty much everything you're saying here minus your thought that he SoD video was done on Ultra. There hasn't been an official confirmation on that (at least to my knowledge). I think if we just got some answers regarding whether we're going to get an Ultra video or not and the graphical features on the PC version, then this thread should shut down.
 
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wichat

Mentor
#619
Mar 10, 2015
Wow!! CDPR has managed that a request for a DLC has been made before the game itself has been put up for sale!

Record high of records! ;)
 
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Tokei-ihto

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#620
Mar 10, 2015
Scryar said:
Well in the end it's a personal preference which style better suites the game and it seems CD Project Red decided it's the new colorful style.I disagree with that, but maybe I will change my mind when I finally get my hands on the game. But I don't see how creating a complex and authentic world has anything to do with the graphic style. If they chose to go with the older, gritty style I doubt they would have made a less complex (or less dark and gritty) world, just because the graphics would be enough to create a gritty mood. I also didn't say the new videos lack mood. The Witcher games always had a great atmosphere and I'm sure Witcher 3 won't be a exception. But from what I have seen so far there is a lack of a visually desperate and depressed mood vimo. I'm not saying every region must have this tone, but the war ravaged Velen should have it. From the gameplay I have seen so far I just don't feel it. Everything is way too colorful. Maybe it changes after I meet some people in the game and listen to their stories, but appropriate look would definitively help.
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Emphasise mine.

Conveying a dire atmosphere almost solely via an excessive use of a limited colour scheme is simply an overused, unearned and ultimately lazy way to approach worldbuilding.However, I'm not decrying the graphic style per se. I was simply stating that leaning TOO heavy on ONE SINGLE ASPECT - washed-out, desaturated colours - was probably not the best way to create a specific tone, let alone the whole world of the Witcher 3, since its also pretty reductive and doesn't leave much room for diversity. Of course graphics can and should be used to evoke atmosphere. Even more, they should be utilized to construct a coherent, believable world. Environmental storytelling is one of gaming's greatest, unfortunately too often underutilized strengths. However, I fail to see how this is related to my previous post.

Yes, visuals (in tandem with writing and audio) can and should be used to create "a desperate and depressed mood", as you put it, but then I wasn't really saying anything to the contrary. Let's put it this way: If you want to portray a ravaged, war torn countryside, you show destroyed cottages, unkempt or burned down fields, broken-up roads, people wearing filthy cloaths, people robbing travellers out of necessity, rotting bodies etc. ... all this accompanied by a mournful score and perhaps an eerily howling wind. However, contrary to popular belief (;)) colour doesn't just disappear out of the world or lose its intensity. Grass, unless its actually burned, is still as green, leaves and foliage in general just as colourful, the sky is just as blue or - depending on the time of day - red, orange or purple as it was before. That's why I don't understand the rationale behind the act of putting a monochrone filter over everything to convey a desperate tone.

I think we as a society are primed through years of WWII film footage, newspaper coverage and "Saving Private Ryan"-inspired war movies to assume that a war or post-war landscape is this greyish nightmare, when in reality there's really not that much difference unless you really are in the middle of urban city centre that has been reduced to nothing but rubble. But in Geralt's world cities are a rarity, most of his time is spent traversing pristine wilderness. And nature is normally the first thing to recover from the damages a war has wrought anyway.

Now, If you argue that there should be more destruction and despair on display due to the ongoing war with Nilfgaard ... well, that's a fair argument. But that has not really something to do with the actual design of the graphics or the colour scheme and how both may have changed between the VGX/SoD trailer and recent gameplay videos. That's simply CDPR having made the choice to build an untouched village into the game instead of a wrecked one. Showing a field of lilies instead of a mass grave. Whether that field of lilies is colourful or greyish wouldn't really have an impact on the tone of the game, right? Unless of course there has been a vulcan eruption and the desaturated colours of the environment are due to a all-encompassing ashfall that covers everything. ;)


Ah, okay, sorry for the somewhat meandering post. I'm sure by now we're again kneedeep in false advertising allegation and console bashing.
 
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