"surprisingly well"? Just google it.
And no, I don't want to discuss that with you.
And no, I don't want to discuss that with you.
At least some people enjoy this game.
After watching GTA vs Cyberpunk videos I wished I could get a refund and donate that money to Rockstar. Alas, I'm on PC.
check out this post
They still have common features. Which when compared are either poorly implemented or lacking in this game. But even if I bought this excuse; so what? Is this game somehow excused from these shortcoming because "it's an RPG and GTAV is not"? If anything, RPGs should be doing immersion much better than any other video game genre.
I do rather enjoy CP2077, I am sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I am just over 150 hours in, first character, still having not completed the game.
I think I spent the first evening playing just watching the in game TV and adverts, and another day or two just driving around the game world and exploring.
As to you refund comment, did you play GTA V previously or is this a little bit of you trying to be intellectually dishonest?
The link you posted seems to be back to page 19 of this thread, was that your intention?
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I am not so sure that GTA V and CP2077 being different types of games is an excuse, more than just a simple fact. My question to you would be: Do you truly believe that those comparisons are fair, made in good faith, and have significant impact on game play?
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Fair enough. Thanks for the reply.
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On this I think we totally agree.
GTA V more side things to do - more open world focused.
CP2077 deeper story - more narrative driven focused.
Similar games, but still very different in their core design and scope.
More polish for sure! That is the main point I have been trying to make. About ~90% of what is shown in these "GTA V vs CP2077" videos are nothing more than spit and polish items. Not core features or critical game play mechanics. Like these videos seem to try to make them out to be.
And nobody has bitten on this yet, but am I the only one who sees the irony in Polish vs polish?
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Here is a fun and unexpected one. It seems some GTA players may just have a hard time dealing with change in general. I had a good honest chuckle, starting at around 15:23.
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Also very interesting. Just posting here for those who may not find it.
https://www.gamebyte.com/you-can-play-cyberpunk-2077-like-gta-5-but-dont-says-cdpr/
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What in the actual fck?
You pointed out how 3rd person (or lack of thereof) is somehow used to show CDPR lied, when my point was that it's NOT. Yes, there were lengthy discussions on how people were disappointed with the decision (both around when it was made and release), but this isn't what people point to when pointing out that CDPR mislead customers.
But essentially:
We can argue that CDPR didn't "lie", per se, and I for one wouldn't feel comfortable suing them over false marketing or anything. But the marketing materials were misleading all the way. From the 2018 demo (work in progress, sure), the 2019 demo (again, work in progress, so sure) to the 2020 pre-release materials, interviews and NC Wire episodes... And as I wrote in another thread - while "work in progress" CAN, technically, be a valid defence, the keyword here is "technically". Most gamers would assume (yes, there's that word again; feel free to grasp to it with all your might) that aspects of a work in progress demo would be improved or streamlined, not hacked off completely left, right and centre.
Enough off-topic. Please take FPP/TPP stuff to this thread: The lack of 3rd person view
Nah, I got that the first time around. Good for you I guess, but I'm not enjoying it and I'm not the only one that feels that way.
I'm not talking about GTA V. I'm talking about GTA SA. Honestly I would probably keep the money for myself
But yeah, I can't get over those 60$ and my respect for Rockstar is bigger because of Cyberpunk.Leeds to my first post regarding GTA vs Cyberpunk comparisons where I explain that both games are open-world and we are comparing that aspect exclusively.
It really makes me appreciate that we have Rockstar around, even with all their shady practices at least they know how to carve a solid sandbox game. I play RDR online almost every and the game is amazing in how much detail is put into the simplest thing. No dumb NPCs like in Cyberpunk.
I believe they can turn this around and will make it as immersion as GTA V is. I believe they rushed it. Because what they advertise is total different experience and I still have faith they can deliver on it.
Okay, just because they have open-world and set in city (which existed already before GTA). Let's be fair.
- GTA has decent Police Chase System and pedestrians react more and diverse than Cyberpunk. Has FPP and TPP View (FPP came one year later). Has Mini-Games, air vehicle, swimming is useful. Public Service like fire department is active.
Contra: 99% of buildings you cant enter (a few only in main story), has no parkour, simplified combats, lack of hostile NPCs like gang or bandits in dead alley. Less destructible environment than CP.
I played GTA 5 at the release day. Physic was joke, cars were floating like air plane when you drive too fast or "jumped" from the ramp/hill. If you got pushed away sometimes you roll a barrel one mile long same happened to NPC, lack of customizing.
It went better after patch one by one. Give CP a one year time and let see the comparison for real.
4 real? Maybe they can pull a no-man-sky, who knows. But, I paid full price for a full game.
This is about Euphoria, which beats GTA 5 and Cyberpunk at once. More clicks by whining haters.
For real, GTA 5 today wasnt look like from the release. I paid a full price standard edition. Now have to buy another "Enchanced Edition" a lot improvement, weather effects, more animals, graphics, more customs, better traffic, more side missions and more.
You can see difference https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_V/Editions
Yes, for a fair comparison, if we wait for one year. CP isn't done, of course but enough for playing firstly. I will just get mods for balance skills and sh'ts soon ... like I do with X-COM, which is unbalance kindergarden. A mod made it into realism.
I didn't mean to derail, my example was just that, just an example. So sorry for that if that is what happened.
I have seen those videos and agree with a good many of the points. I just do not agree that the majority of them were "unfulfilled promises" or "lies" when the narrators even say things like "we assumed" or "the trailer led me to believe." I have opinions on nearly every one of the points brought up, I will not bore everyone here with that. So if there are any specific items you would like to discuss I would be happy to participate. I would like to point out a couple of things though, for those tho may have missed them.
BeatEmUp: had some great points, but when he got to his "The Lies" section and just defers to some posts on Reddit. He really does not offer any more of his own "lies," except maybe somehow The Witcher 3 promised flying cars? I have to admit I stopped paying close attention to the rest of his video after that. I did watch the rest of it though. The other sections are more his opinion and he is entitled to that, some I agree with. Even though he hints at some of those items also being lies, they are not in his "The Lies" section so he gets a pass there from me.
FudgeMuppet: among some great points and observations, early on he states that "we were well aware that the game was not meant to play or be like Fall Out or Skyrim, but near the end of the video he comes back and claims that not being able to make a gambling character and go gamble, like in Fall Out, is another unfulfilled promise.
And I do understand the word "assume," I do not think that is the issue here. To me it would seem the issue is that many feel that the blame for their assumption turning out to be incorrect only goes one way.
Thanks for the reply!
His takes are always a bit more on the comedic side, so take that into account. It's still a very good compilation video that roasts the issues the game has.
Wasn't that a general criticism that the city is empty and devoid of any meaningful activities? Anyway, THIS particular video is a lot less "LULz" than BeatEmUp's, and mentions plenty of cases where the marketing suggests one thing but the game delivers something else.
And, again, I wouldn't feel comfortable suing CDPR over false advertisements, but the marketing is defensible purely on a "technical" basis. Like "branching narratives" ends up being a choice given to the player to pick the final mission or that one mission related to getting the Flathead...