I mean.... Dishonored had a non-lethal option for every mission...
Obviously it's not the same thing as not killing everyone but it's kind of been done before.
Obviously it's not the same thing as not killing everyone but it's kind of been done before.
IDK, it looked ok to me. It's hard to judge properly when you haven't tried it yourself. Shotgun looked powerful so I'm looking forward to that.
This is not what I wanted to say. In some games you get your XP by accomplishing things only, and you get the same amount no matter how you did to make it happens.
Vampire Bloodlines did that. As (to my recollection) did Deus Ex (the original).
This game would benefit from such a system too. Even if the skill incerements through use was in place. It could be both, to some extent.
I'm not quite at home with the idea that apparently attributes cap skills, and the XP grants you points (or, likely, A point) at level ups that you can then spend in attributes.
No, I want futuristic weaponry to be deadly and impactful. If you're gonna design something that looks like it can go through concrete walls, then it should easily go through armor and/or flesh and the force of such an impact should be felt visually by the player. These are advanced weapons that behave like a rail gun, using charged projectiles. So there is no trope. It's perceived unrealism on your part.
The way I see it, you can go through or push back, but not both. Any kinetic energy used to push the target back is not penetrating armor or disrupting tissue. Much of the knockback you see isn't from kinetic energy transfer, but a shock reaction; basically, flinching.
That's not to say that I don't get a kick out of ragdolling NPCs on occasion, but it does require me to suspend disbelief too much to get any real immersion unless it's a wide-area concussive attack with no appreciable penetration.
But that's me. If you want something I feel is cinematic, then we just want different things.
Look up AA-12 Fully auto shotgun and the Glock 18 mini-documentary on YouTube.
If you think that any weapons on full auto should have crazy kickback recoil, you will notice it is almost always user dependant not the weapon itself.
If you think that any weapons on full auto should have crazy kickback recoil, you will notice it is almost always user dependant not the weapon itself.
Well to be honest i don´t find the gunplay lacking much. Of course the enemys could react a little more but this will maybe done in the final variant and to the recoil. V´s Pistol is a normal sized Pistol with a 21 (or maybe 20+1) magazine. That says to me that it is something like a 5.7*28 or 4,6*30 mm round in our times. Small, fast but with not much recoil....you can (as a experienced shooter) fire a MP7 fully automatic and one handed on a closer target and stay in the target with relative ease. The Shotgun seemed to be right and even the corp tech rifle which seemed to be something like a battle rifle, the smart smg had bullets which moved on its own so maybe something like a gyrojet round which has a little own rocket like propellant and just a little one to push it out of the barrel so its no wonder it wouldn´t kick much
I don't remember player character getting XP from killing enemies in the gameplay video either. So it's like Bloodlines but even deeper (open world demands it) since some juicy quests sure will be locked down behind high street cred values.
Well, it's not quite like Bloodlines. It's more like Shadowrun + Skyrim from how I understood the way it was explained. Streetcred aside.
Focus on bulletholes penetrating the flesh visually, more ragdoll physics using the euphoria engine. Adaptive intelligence modules that control how a character moves. Aside from that Gun physics
I agree. Every weapon should be unique
Technically speaking it shouldn't be too hard to implement. Each NPC has a body type, so give each a certain value, then apply the wound penalty (if needed) and roll. Then you can tie each roll to a certain effect. You can even task animators to create a couple of different animations per effect, to make it look more varied.
If the projectile goes through, then there's no resistance from the impacting body. If the enemies are spongy and the projectile doesn't go through, it should knock him back. Even Ballistic Gel gets knocked back when fired upon by a Desert Eagle. These weapons are way more advanced and stronger than a desert eagle. Flinching was present in the game, that's not an issue.
If you get hit by a charged shotgun blast and you're standing still after, you're defying physics. Ragdoll physics is very important. Watch the video below. That doesn't seem exaggerated at all. In fact, it is quintessential to the immersion.
Nope. Nothing cinematic about it. It's as real as real can get.
Last edited:
Consoles have shitty CPU, so it would be wasted ressources for console versions.
GTAs and Max Payne 3 worked on even shittier consoles yet they're the paragon of ragdoll physics like this.
While I am certainly not a 3rd Person Shooter fan, this is excactly why I always liked Max Payne a lot, every bullet felt important, every bullet felt lethal.
Halfling - I'm not saying knockback is completely non-existent, but it's nowhere near what movies and some games make it out to be. Newton's Third Law of Motion is also a thing, yet I've seen people fire shotguns without being launched back ten feet or shattering their collarbone.
Well, Max payne 3 seems to have extremely shitty gunplay. Seems like you can't get any shittier, unless you play "Unearthed: Trail of Ibn Battuta"
And we complain about alpha built cyberpunk...