like i said, we already have vanadain. But i am wondering it too, maybe the epic will do thatHmm. Wonder if there'll be a new Scoia card that copies specials to the deck to go with this. . .
like i said, we already have vanadain. But i am wondering it too, maybe the epic will do thatHmm. Wonder if there'll be a new Scoia card that copies specials to the deck to go with this. . .
Siege ?[...] So let me get to a real game.
When you will use a double rebuke? In first round and only have another rebuke with forest protector? Or in last round and play first and second round without rebuke? Also withthe possibility one of the rebukes stay in your hand in the final mulligan and brick it
I mean, i am not a SC lover, but i have to agree with RCC, those new cards makes non sense in comparation with other faction's cards
At 10P with 4 or 5 strength body, it would be a great card. At 12P with 2 strength it is mediocre at best. I would be happy if ST had got NG's Legendary equivalent (playing for 5, triggering all Assimilate engines, the best card the opponent has played in all three rounds which is suitable in the given scenario) and NG has got this (play two copies of bronze cards from the deck for 2 strength and 12P).Yes, double tutors are really terrible, of course.
If this was a NG card people would be calling it OP.
Adding two Bone Talisman with the hope that you manage to swarm the board in R3, having him in the hand and having both of the bone talisman in the deck.. is the definition of contrived. When you add two cards for 14P, you lose the strength to swarm effectively.I see various use cases for Simlas:
Double Bone Talisman in swarm
Double Devil's Puffball in poison decks
Double Nature's Rebuke as a strong control tool
Double Nature cards for symbiosis
Seriously? How do think this is such a card that other factions will kill to get it? If it is any two bronze cards, it would be better. But even then 2 for 12P is already powercrept. If this was an SK, it would be at least 6 strength. Playing two rebuke from him seems meh. Playing two puffball horrible value. Playing two Talisman is the only case this can be strong. But still I feel it is contrived. You shouldn't have any other mulligan heavy card.What are you talking about ???
Every other faction would kill to get this.
This is Ithlinne from Open Beta (except that she only pulled one and created the other).
Double Rebuke is not a joke ... with the deathblows alone this can be a 16 for 12 ... plus removal value ... and triggering Symbiosis twice ...
This might be the strongest card from the second wave (thus far).
Edit: I assume this is her father ... I guess her father was always better than her, so the card is quite true to that.
I hope the epic does this.. something like, play a copy of a bronze card from your deck and shuffle the copy back to deck.. that would be cool.. way too cool to be an ST card. Perhaps CDPR will surprise us with such a good card?Hmm. Wonder if there'll be a new Scoia card that copies specials to the deck to go with this. . .
So you are counting Assimilate engines on the board, however refuse to count Symbiosis engines (which you trigger twice instead of just onec like the new NG legendary) ?At 10P with 4 or 5 strength body, it would be a great card. At 12P with 2 strength it is mediocre at best. I would be happy if ST had got NG's Legendary equivalent (playing for 5, triggering all Assimilate engines, the best card the opponent has played in all three rounds which is suitable in the given scenario) and NG has got this (play two copies of bronze cards from the deck for 2 strength and 12P).
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Seriously? How do think this is such a card that other factions will kill to get it? If it is any two bronze cards, it would be better. But even then 2 for 12P is already powercrept. If this was an SK, it would be at least 6 strength. Playing two rebuke from him seems meh. Playing two puffball horrible value. Playing two Talisman is the only case this can be strong. But still I feel it is contrived. You shouldn't have any other mulligan heavy card.
Ideally you would want to play him in R3 and in R3, you should have the special in your deck and him in your hand. I don't know, but this seems too clumsy and almost memey. If you want to play two Lacrerte, you can't add two Talisman and vice versa. You should have one pair in mind and build the deck around it and you should pull it off. Seems too clumsy.
Assimilate trigger is bonus from NG legendary. He would play for 5+opponent's strongest card played in all 3 rounds. If he gets professor or junior or even Vernossil it is already 15+ on deploy and he is an engine himself. Even if there are no assimilate cards that is 15+ on deploy with him being an engine and there are no issues in using him. Be it small round or long round he will have great value and super flexible.So you are counting Assimilate engines on the board, however refuse to count Symbiosis engines (which you trigger twice instead of just onec like the new NG legendary) ?
I agree, it helps in Gord. Gord can get massive value with all the special card support. So, assuming we play Gord, he gets +2 points for him, but it is not as flexible though. You shouldn't play any of the potential pairs and you shouldn't draw them too. It feels a little clumsy.It is thinning, good value, double triggering Gord, spreading its value and has potential with additional copies one can create.
Eist with Leader plays for 30+ points. How is any card close to it? Currently no one is playing Eist because RF gives too much pointslam with Megascope for 10 points and portal and BoG+Eist needs devotion. I still consider Eist's point slam potential is unmatched by any other card in the game, on deploy.if it was any 2 bronze cards it would be stronger than Eist.
Late reply -- sorry -- but it was during the GWENT Open #2, so we saw it fairly recently. Lovely art -- very. . . Elven.I don't remember where the art was initially revealed, but it definitely is not never-before-seen.
You mean, you are guessing that the Epic to be revealed will have such ability? If so, this card will actually become good. In the current card pool, I don't know how you can get more than two copies of a bronze special card in the deck for him to play.There will almost certainly be a way to get more than two copies of a bronze special card in your deck.
I get the idea, however that is like saying that the Novigradian Justice + Mahakam Volunteer package was trash (before the nerf to require a dwarf), given that it can brick and Justice was 4+5+4=13 points for 12 provisions (which mills 2 4p cards).The fact that you can so easily brick the ST legendary makes it very bad imo lol, imagine drawing one of the two copies and now your 12 prov card is a tutor for a bronze special + 2 points.
The ST bronze, Elven Seer, well this is... just meh, I guess it exists for the same reason all other recent ST cards do, and that's to serve Gord and give him value cuz Gord is the lord.
There's just nothing interesting about these cards to me... they don't offer interesting mechanics, just more ways to play more copies of the already existing stuff.
I see, I assumed you meant that he triggers assimilate from other cards.Assimilate trigger is bonus from NG legendary. He would play for 5+opponent's strongest card played in all 3 rounds. If he gets professor or junior or even Vernossil it is already 15+ on deploy and he is an engine himself. Even if there are no assimilate cards that is 15+ on deploy with him being an engine and there are no issues in using him. Be it small round or long round he will have great value and super flexible.
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Not really, only one pairs needs to be untouched.[...]
I agree, it helps in Gord. Gord can get massive value with all the special card support. So, assuming we play Gord, he gets +2 points for him, but it is not as flexible though. You shouldn't play any of the potential pairs and you shouldn't draw them too. It feels a little clumsy.
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If you count the leader's order to Eists points that is an unfair comparison (although the milling can be added).[...]
Eist with Leader plays for 30+ points. How is any card close to it? Currently no one is playing Eist because RF gives too much pointslam with Megascope for 10 points and portal and BoG+Eist needs devotion. I still consider Eist's point slam potential is unmatched by any other card in the game, on deploy.
I agree that the more I think about it, this card is not absolutely horrible as I initially thought due to the frustrating current ST state. But it is still contrived and clumsy and can brick and only play a single bronze special card in many games. We will have to wait and see. I will revisit and revise my opinion after tomorrow's reveal.
An option would be a card that shuffles all copies of a bronze Special into one's deck (like Pavetta).You mean, you are guessing that the Epic to be revealed will have such ability? If so, this card will actually become good. In the current card pool, I don't know how you can get more than two copies of a bronze special card in the deck for him to play.
[Please don't say 'Play Vanadain in R1/R2 and get two Waylays while already having two Waylays in deck and in R3, mulligan those two Waylays and not drawing the deck Waylays and play all 4 and get 26 points swing (4x6 - all getting deathblow) + 2. Apart from this horrible horrible way, I don't know how else to get more than 2 copies of a bronze special card in the deck]
I am pretty sure that, since those are cards and they are stated to be played, that they are placed on the stack and resolved in sequence (similar to the Ermion into Gedyneith interaction).There will almost certainly be a way to get more than two copies of a bronze special card in your deck. So I'm positive this legendary is a very good one, it provides thinning, triggers Symbiosis (how many times is still unclear) and plays for good tempo while not going tall.
might be a bit of a quick call. funnily enough I think this card is supposed to be played with Vanadain and 2 waylays so you can play 4 waylays in 1 turn (mix them back with snowdrop for example).Introducing absolute [...] horrible Legendaray on par with ST standard:
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At this point, I think CDPR deliberately wants to make fun of ST players
The art is awesome though.
What? This Elven dude is potentially a broken card that at least needs to be limited by ST specials.Introducing absolute [...] horrible Legendaray
I think we should take the discussion about this card to a new thread.. I will think about creating a new thread. But why would you think this is broken? Which bronze specials will make him broken? You do realize that he can be clumsy during mulligan phase where you need two of the bronze special you want to use him with should be in the deck in R3 (or R2 if you are trying and failing for a 2-0). You can add Call Of Forest and Fauve to have more guarantee to play him, but the pair of bronze should be in deck and if you draw one you are going to act like a 12P tutor for a bronze special.What? This Elven dude is potentially a broken card that at least needs to be limited by ST specials.
I said potentially. Because playing multiple cards in one turn may lead to dangerous combos.But why would you think this is broken?
If your purpose is to play this combo once and show it in youtube, then yes, this can has the meme potential. But honestly? You want to play Vanadain which is a horrible card to play Waylay another "one of the worst 4P faction card in the game' and to make this all worth play Snowdrop who will end up with 6 points on board? To pull off 4 Waylays? Vanadain will be locked/killed by that time you are going to play this and you will play for what? 2 + 3x3 and assuming at least one deathblow 14 points? That is not even laughable. It is just plain sad.Hmmm... I can see Vanadain + Snowdrop being a nice setup for Simlas.
Simlas might also make it a lot easier to get Francesca to trigger.
Definitely going to be fun to play with for a few days.
Quick call may be, yes. It is not absolutely horrible. It is just an OK card. But ST has been getting these kind of OK/playable-if-you-have-to cards and it is not going to help a faction which is already in the deep end of the dumpster.might be a bit of a quick call. funnily enough I think this card is supposed to be played with Vanadain and 2 waylays so you can play 4 waylays in 1 turn (mix them back with snowdrop for example).
(edit: oh wow just saw literally my predecessor's post said the same lmao)
What combo? It is not playing any two bronze cards, if that was the case, this card would have been really good. You need to have both the copies of the bronze in deck and there are no "combos" with playing the same bronze special twice. Lets take the discussion out of this thread. Please give me some time. I will create a thread to discuss this card.I said potentially. Because playing multiple cards in one turn may lead to dangerous combos.
Even now, for me, this card seems strong. I mean, calling it horrible also doesn't seem right.
We need to see other reveals and try this card in action.