Lisbeth_Salander;n10247282 said:What will be @CyberpunkGame next twitter?
*beepity boop"
Lisbeth_Salander;n10247282 said:What will be @CyberpunkGame next twitter?
ChrisStayler;n10248582 said:I already imagine you getting disappointed by this game then. The PnP is the basis to build the game, but it's not the video game itself. I know there will be all the classes in the game. But there's no way in hell for them to make every class for example as detailed as it is in the PnP game. Even in an interview Mike Pondsmith said that there is a lot of subtlety in the classes. They are gonna be different dont get me wrong. But not as hugely different as you want.
Btw there has to be action. It's a video game. Combat is not what i look forward in an RPG video game but it has to be there because it's a video game.
I personally would love if they really focus on dialogue options. And that you can complete for example the whole main quest without killing anyone. But if they don't do that it's ok. Because the diolague in TW3 was pretty superb.
They are making the closest thing to a virtual world of Cyberpunk. No one would do it better than CDPR. So i think people need to be thankful and understand how lucky we are that a game like this is even happing at this scope with this studio. Normally Cyberpunk games have a lower ambition. They just can't be as big as this game will be.
Also Mike Pondsmith is heavily involved in this. Any other studio would probably ignored most of what he has to say, or not even consult him. Not CDPR. The fact that he even said he's very exited about the game and likes what they are doing is an indication that this game is in the right track. I mean he's the guy who made the 2020.
Snowflakez;n10246912 said:The mainstream audience isn't going to care. I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm going to guess that the majority (or at least a very, very large portion) of the audience has never even heard of 2020.
ChrisStayler;n10248582 said:I already imagine you getting disappointed by this game then.
ChrisStayler;n10248582 said:Classes... They are gonna be different dont get me wrong. But not as hugely different as you want.
ChrisStayler;n10248582 said:Btw there has to be action. It's a video game. Combat is not what i look forward in an RPG video game but it has to be there because it's a video game.
ChrisStayler;n10248582 said:Because the diolague in TW3 was pretty superb.
ChrisStayler;n10248582 said:No one would do it better than CDPR.
ChrisStayler;n10248582 said:i think people need to be thankful and understand how lucky we are that a game like this is even happing at this scope with this studio.
metalmaniac21;n10250162 said:For four games people go back and forth on this forum. Not sure if it's a good or bad. Probably bad, a strong formed community will remain a community even if developers are no longer active. And boy, CDPR deserves a strong community, not back and forths.
Snowflakez;n10252382 said:This statement confuses me.
kofeiiniturpa;n10251992 said:Indeed they don't.
My bet would be... they wouldn't care even if the game had a tad deeper RPG systems (and their use) than what what is the current industry standard (loose shit that does fuck all aside from posing as the posterboy telling people "Hey, I'm an arpeegee! Believe me!") as long as the game meets other common triple-A standards.
That's... debatable....
kofeiiniturpa;n10252472 said:Sounds to me that he wants a non-migrating commnunity that stays put even during quieter times.
Snowflakez;n10252542 said:But when you have so many games that already cater to that audience, it's not asking too much for one good game (hopefully) to be different.
Snowflakez;n10252542 said:Also, just curious - who do you think would be better suited to making 2077?
NightSavior;n10253962 said:I think rather than the actual gameplay, marketing has bigger impact on how mainstream audience will pick up the game. Then, if the game is received well and gets continuous praising, like The Witcher 3, it might get longer term success. At this point the gameplay has bigger impact but I dare to say it wasn't what got people talking about TW3.
Suhiira;n10254962 said:Being a cynical bitch I tend to ignore advertising and hype other then to put stuff on my radar for future inspection.
I almost never pre-order games, tho I did with Fallout 4 and DA: Inquisition ... and both taught me valuable lessons about not assuming a new title in a series will be similar to past ones. So while I may not get it first I'll wait till a game releases and see how it actually plays via the net. Saved me with Andromeda. And as much as I'd like to pre-order CP2077 till I know for certain there's a non-FPS option and character skills matter (i.e. it's not "just a shooter") I'll wait. Might be the story and rest of the game still makes it worth getting (if there's an EZ/Story combat mode) and I'll still get it, but we'll just have to wait and see.
I know lots (most?) of people don't operate this way. I guess they're ultimately optimists (or naive) and buy based on what they hope something is rather then what it actually is. This is a pity only in that it encourages the sort of misleading advertising that's become so commonplace you just sort of assume it's all BS.
Snowflakez;n10255162 said:In CDPR's case, I'll be pre-ordering 2077. If it comes out and has any of the issues I consider a dealbreaker, I won't be so trusting in the future.
Anyway, I still totally agree with what you said and I think it's a super logical way to go about things. To me, though, I see a pre-order as a way to reward a company for doing good. Not only am I giving them my $60, I'm giving it to them in advance because I believe they deserve it. If they screw me over, that reward goes away - kinda like training a dog.
Snowflakez;n10248612 said:It's not too much to ask for CDPR to make an actual RPG. Combat can exist without it being action based.
As for being thankful... I don't owe CDPR anything. If the game isn't up to my personal standards (which are, admittedly, not as stringent as others on these forums), I won't buy it. They've established some goodwill with me by now, but if they just make Cyberpunk: The Shooter (+ dialoguez & stuff so it's totally an RPG guys) I'm not going to be even remotely interested. We have dozens of shooters already. Time for something new.
If you want an action game, GTA and Red Dead Redemption are that-a-way!
ChrisStayler;n10256222 said:"It's not too much to ask for CDPR to make an actual RPG" What are you on about? The only non RPG game they made is Gwent. And if you think TW1, TW2 and TW3 are not RPGs then you are wrong. There's no discussing that. And they are very good at being RPGs as well.
You can't pick your skills or dialogue in RDR or GTZ. Very important parts of an RPG. They are open world action story based games.
Also what's with people like you anyways. "It's action, so it's not an RPG. I want a proper RPG..." An RPG can be action based. And if you don't want to play an action based RPG they are plenty of them out there now. Stop acting like they aren't. No one goes to Divinity's Original Sin forums and says why the game isn't action based.
I truly believe CDPR will give us a game with good combat. Not just guns that pew pew and done. Expect to have many skills not just related to gunplay. But who knows katanas, mindhacking where you can be some techno wizard who by the flick of your hand fries enemies high tech advanced brains.
ChrisStayler;n10256222 said:...What are you on about? The only non RPG game they made is Gwent. And if you think TW1, TW2 and TW3 are not RPGs then you are wrong. There's no discussing that. And they are very good at being RPGs as well.
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Also what's with people like you anyways. ".. Stop acting like they aren't...
Snowflakez;n10256282 said:Here's my recommendation: Read up on Vampire: The Masquerade's gameplay mechanics. Heck, if you want to go even more into RPG territory read up on KOTOR and KOTOR II's gameplay mechanics. Those are RPGs. Although I'd say that they aren't quite as good as VTM, since there's less player agency.
As I said: you already have countless action games on the market. Action RPGs or otherwise. There are very few true RPGs. It is not too much to ask that CDPR makes a true RPG. Note, I use the word "True" only because I can't think of a better word, I'm not saying it's the defacto form of RPG and everybody must always love it 24/7.
This exact issue has been debated dozens of times on the forums, I'd prefer not to repeat myself. We will have to agree to disagree. You can browse through a few threads on the 1st or second page if you want to see some of the arguments I and others have made.
I don't understand the defensiveness, it's not like I'm saying you shouldn't enjoy the game or that I hate CDPR or something. People have different tastes. Nothing wrong with that.
Snowflakez;n10256282 said:Here's my recommendation: Read up on Vampire: The Masquerade's gameplay mechanics. Heck, if you want to go even more into RPG territory read up on KOTOR and KOTOR II's gameplay mechanics. Those are RPGs. Although I'd say that they aren't quite as good as VTM, since there's less player agency.
As I said: you already have countless action games on the market. Action RPGs or otherwise. There are very few true RPGs. It is not too much to ask that CDPR makes a true RPG. Note, I use the word "True" only because I can't think of a better word, I'm not saying it's the defacto form of RPG and everybody must always love it 24/7.
This exact issue has been debated dozens of times on the forums, I'd prefer not to repeat myself. We will have to agree to disagree. You can browse through a few threads on the 1st or second page if you want to see some of the arguments I and others have made.
I don't understand the defensiveness, it's not like I'm saying you shouldn't enjoy the game or that I hate CDPR or something. People have different tastes. Nothing wrong with that.