Hardware/Software Technical Discussion Thread

[EngryEngineer]

.... Also you don't know the specs of the new consoles that will be out about the same time as CP77 and i can tell you that they will blow most high end pc's out the water for a fraction of the price.

I am a huge fan of consoles, but I don't think this is going to be the case. Just compare at the equivalent PC hardware in late 2013 when the PS4/Xbox One first released. It's not exactly apples-to-apples because they use custom hardware, but both consoles have hardware that is the rough equivalent of mid-tier budget components released in 2011/2010 (specifically: AMD FX-8120 & GeForce GTX 465 *edited to remove accidental link copy*), and that's just looking at the flashy parts that people care about (cpu/gpu), the wireless adapter and hard drive were bargain bin level in 2013. Based on holiday shopping posts from 2013 you could have built a console equivalent for around the same price, and still edged out ahead with a faster/larger hard drive, faster cpu, etc.

Consoles do get a bit more out of the hardware they do have because they are more dedicated machines, but not so much that they typically get close to competing with even average PC's in the year they release. This makes sense, that extra dedication & custom programming typically means a few years in engineering, so even if best of class hardware is used (which it probably won't be for heat/power concerns), it'll be 2+ years old by the time you actually release the console.

I proudly own a PS4 Pro, this isn't a slam against consoles, its just their specs are almost assuredly not going to even look high end pc's in the eye let alone blow them out of the water.

 

[sv3672]

but both consoles have hardware that is the rough equivalent of mid-tier budget components released in 2011/2010 (specifically: AMD FX-8120 & GeForce GTX 465 *edited to remove accidental link copy*), and that's just looking at the flashy parts that people care about (cpu/gpu)

As far as I know, the original PS4 and XB1 have slower CPUs than that, they are 8-core but running at low clock frequency (1.6-1.7 GHz) to reduce the power consumption. So, something around the FX-4100 or the Witcher 3 minimum requirement Phenom II X4 940 might be closer. The GPU in the PS4 (not Pro) is slightly faster than the Radeon HD 7850, while it is somewhat slower than that in the XB1.

 

[Motsie]

which is more than a console. thank you, and is also a crap card.

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+1080&id=3502

Yeah, no. I get the impression that you like consoles, and that's fine and all, but you shouldn't make dumb claims like the 1080 series of cards being crap. They're incredibly powerful.

 

[ZenexURL]

I'm pretty sure the recommened specs are going to be a 1070, and a i5 6600 and 8 gigs of ram
min might be, 970, i3 6300, and 4 gigs of ram
idk, but that feels right.

 

[EngryEngineer]

As far as I know, the original PS4 and XB1 have slower CPUs than that, they are 8-core but running at low clock frequency (1.6-1.7 GHz) to reduce the power consumption. So, something around the FX-4100 or the Witcher 3 minimum requirement Phenom II X4 940 might be closer. The GPU in the PS4 (not Pro) is slightly faster than the Radeon HD 7850, while it is somewhat slower than that in the XB1.

Yeah, I decided to round up in favor of the console to help account for consoles being able to get closer to the metal/get more out of the hardware as well as what feels like tighter release schedules, I think there will be less gap between PCs and consoles in the next gen then there was for last gen.

The FX-8120 was the closest consumer part in AMD's first release of 8-core parts. While the PS4/XB1 cpus run at about half the frequency with the common looking architecture its instruction sets, cache, lithography, etc are likely more comparable than an older CPU that is a closer match performance wise, which I acknowledge may be a poor assumption.

Then went with the GeForce GTX 465 because, according to the TechPowerUp GPU Database, it is a 100% performance match to the XB1 GPU. I was looking for a GPU that seemed closest to the console GPUs in architecture like I did with the CPU, but with the PS4's consolidated memory & XB1's eSRAM (both are reasons to also over-estimate the CPU equivalent), it makes that complicated so I went with the performance match instead.

 

[xer21]

consoles cost 399-499, PC GPUs cost 1000.

I use my pc for a lot more than just gaming. I cant do a 10th of what I do on my pc as I can on a console.

also my gpu was 400 bucks and will last me 5 years. not exactly breaking the bank.

 

[xer21]

I am a huge fan of consoles, but I don't think this is going to be the case. Just compare at the equivalent PC hardware in late 2013 when the PS4/Xbox One first released. It's not exactly apples-to-apples because they use custom hardware, but both consoles have hardware that is the rough equivalent of mid-tier budget components released in 2011/2010 (specifically: AMD FX-8120 & GeForce GTX 465 *edited to remove accidental link copy*), and that's just looking at the flashy parts that people care about (cpu/gpu), the wireless adapter and hard drive were bargain bin level in 2013. Based on holiday shopping posts from 2013 you could have built a console equivalent for around the same price, and still edged out ahead with a faster/larger hard drive, faster cpu, etc.

Consoles do get a bit more out of the hardware they do have because they are more dedicated machines, but not so much that they typically get close to competing with even average PC's in the year they release. This makes sense, that extra dedication & custom programming typically means a few years in engineering, so even if best of class hardware is used (which it probably won't be for heat/power concerns), it'll be 2+ years old by the time you actually release the console.

I proudly own a PS4 Pro, this isn't a slam against consoles, its just their specs are almost assuredly not going to even look high end pc's in the eye let alone blow them out of the water.

its a heat issue/power. the smaller form factors of consoles mean you cant run things as hot because you wont get a power supply that can handle the load nor enough fans/ventilation to properly cool the parts. that's what will always hold them back.

 

[EngryEngineer]

I'm pretty sure the recommened specs are going to be a 1070, and a i5 6600 and 8 gigs of ram
min might be, 970, i3 6300, and 4 gigs of ram
idk, but that feels right.

*EDIT* Sorry, I clearly can't read, I read this as a baseline expectation for the next consoles, not the game requirements. */EDIT*

I think those are probably reasonable enough estimates, I'm personally expecting them to stick with AMD mostly for performance per cost, but InfinityFabric gives some interesting options for connecting everything together.

 

[xer21]

I think those are probably reasonable enough estimates, I'm personally expecting them to stick with AMD mostly for performance per cost, but InfinityFabric gives some interesting options for connecting everything together.

the company partnerships are mostly meaningless anyways, its gonna come down to drivers anyways.

 

[animalfather]

I use my pc for a lot more than just gaming. I cant do a 10th of what I do on my pc as I can on a console.

also my gpu was 400 bucks and will last me 5 years. not exactly breaking the bank.

thats what laptops are for.

 

[HellKnightX88]

thats what laptops are for.

 

[xer21]

thats what laptops are for.

bet you spent more on the console/accessories and the laptop than you would for a decent desktop.

 

[BlindManMark]

this was another trick I was going to bring up. I wouldn't be surprised if FPP was somewhat rooted in a tech issue in this sense. less peripheral vision and FOV means less assets to track at any given time.

Warren Specter said the exact same thing,way back in 1999,when asked why they didn't do DX1 in TPP.

 

[BlindManMark]

that was 30fps and the devs themselves said the full world was unstable so the demo was a segmented off portion specifically for the demo.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

CDPR Exec said,very recently,the E3 Private show,was not a vertical slice like most Dev's would show privately ,but a working build of the game.

 

[xer21]

Warren Specter said the exact same thing,way back in 1999,when asked why they didn't do DX1 in TPP.

yeah if you look at third person vs first person games across the same engines, the trends will shoow in performance disparities.

CDPR Exec said,very recently,the E3 Private show,was not a vertical slice like most Dev's would show privately ,but a working build of the game.

maybe but they did say the rest of the world wasnt stable so we dont know what issues they may or may not have and how they got it working.

 

[BlindManMark]

I get your sentiment, which in general isn't really wrong, but even if the game takes 2-3 years and the 1180Ti is out by then, the 1080Ti still won't be a midrange card, it'll be upper-middle when the 1280Ti drops, that's at least 4 years out, probably closer to 5/6.

Assuming nVIDIA is still on top with only one weakened opponent ,who is still half a gen behind in performance and three behind in equivalent power consumption? Maybe. Intel and possibly Samsung are joining the party.Intel has more money ,plays dirty,and will likely not come to this fight with a dull knife like Larrabee,as they did last time.

 

[BlindManMark]

yeah if you look at third person vs first person games across the same engines, the trends will shoow in performance disparities.


maybe but they did say the rest of the world wasnt stable so we dont know what issues they may or may not have and how they got it working.

Very true. I remember the stuttering when I 1st booted up Morrowind in 02.

 

[BlindManMark]

Seriously doubt that.



This.

Not to mention, Nvidia isn't releasing new GPUs for "quite some time."

Really?

Then why has Nvidia's legal dept been sending out new NDA's to hardware journos in the last week,with soon to be lifted embargo dates ? Are they simply launching new toasters this Fall?

 

[Snowflakez]

Really?

Then why has Nvidia's legal dept been sending out new NDA's to hardware journos in the last week,with soon to be lifted embargo dates ? Are they simply launching new toasters this Fall?

I'm just going based off of what they've said.

 

[BlindManMark]

I'm pretty sure the recommened specs are going to be a 1070, and a i5 6600 and 8 gigs of ram
min might be, 970, i3 6300, and 4 gigs of ram
idk, but that feels right.

More like minimum: i5 6400/R5 1600,GTX 970,8gb Ram ,plus 120+Gb(Mordor GOTY ed is 90!Gb after a full install....) HD space ,with DX12

Recommended imo will be: i7 8700/R7 2700,GTX 1080 or better, 16+gb Ram plus ,120+Gb HD space ,with DX12