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Heavy Stuttering in Villages

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Biebo1

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#1
Jun 16, 2015
Heavy Stuttering in Villages

My framerate is totally fine, but everytime i'm inside or close to a village it starts to stutter real badly.

Anyone else?
 
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alex234

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#2
Jun 16, 2015
it's everywhere for me, especially when gerard runs. but it seems like it's no biggie for everybody. u'd ignore that stutter and have fun. to me it sounds moronic, but that's how developers think, i guess
 
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lemric

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#3
Jun 16, 2015
I get this too. Only in villages or cities. Started with patch 1.06.
 
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TROOPER181st

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#4
Jun 16, 2015
Instead on focusing on the stutter problem it looks like they're focusing on fixes for problems of quests and things you never hear anyone about and problems you never encountered. Just for fun search up the forums of steam cog and here on the word stutter and you will find hundreds of people complaining and demand a fix, but instead the patches focus on things like these : - fix on npc wearing wrong clothing, - fix on falling leaves going the wrong way - fixed a bug preventing you to quit the game - now supporting horse poop mods
 
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Butcher_of_Cidaris

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#5
Jun 16, 2015
Same issue, but not in all villages and not only in villages. Also some shrine places on a road get stutter or completely random locations in woods.. In doors it seems mostly fine with frame-rates, but there are still FPS issue with some cutscenes..
 
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foyst

Rookie
#6
Jun 16, 2015
My game started stuttering all of a sudden and the problem was, it set itself to borderless window mode. I set it back to full screen and it was fine.
I never changed it to borderless either, I think it may have happened during one of the patches so it is worth checking your settings even if you are sure you have it set to full screen.
 
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killerbs007

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#7
Jun 16, 2015
many people we issue from 1.05
 
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lemric

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#8
Jun 16, 2015
I have done everything I can about the stutters but no fix... I even bought a gtx 980 ti and an xb270hu for this game... Stutter fest is literally hurting my eyes. This is sad :(
 
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killerbs007

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#9
Jun 17, 2015
no fix at now wait...
 
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flea.

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#10
Jun 17, 2015
Same, villages stutter like a mofo.
 
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PrincessMassacre

Senior user
#11
Jun 17, 2015
well, 1.05 fixed still-frame npcs in novigrad, which was a npc spawning bug that didn't apply certain properties/animations properly.

so maybe the extra npc loading routines are causing stutter. so, better hope that this was just a hotfix, with a more optimized patch later ;p

can try turning down '# of background characters' in video options, or playing with the ini/xml files to reduce the spawning parameters (careful not to break quest npc despawn) ;p
 
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B0omSLanG

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#12
Jun 17, 2015
This happened with 1.06 for me as well. I fixed it by changing from Unlimited frames to 60. Back to being smooth whereas it was the opposite before.
 
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prince_of_nothing

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#13
Jun 17, 2015
PrincessMassacre said:
so maybe the extra npc loading routines are causing stutter.
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I'm in agreement with this. Although I personally don't have any stuttering, I noticed a few very minor pauses here and there that last maybe half a second when entering populated areas. Once everything has been loaded into RAM though, the pauses disappear even if I come to the same area again..

So it does appear that something was being loaded. So in light of this, amount of memory would be an important factor in getting rid of this. If you have 16GB of RAM, I would recommend disabling the pagefile completely. Also a hyperthreaded CPU would also help a lot as it can process tasks faster..
 
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PrincessMassacre

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#14
Jun 17, 2015
nah, you need 24-32gb ram+pagefile these days. and disabling it completely requires several hacks/workarounds, and may still cause issues. typical minimum is 4gb. only recommend that though if you have 24-32gb ram.

simple solution to reduce pagefile usage is simply buy more ram.
 
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prince_of_nothing

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Jun 17, 2015
I've had my pagefile disabled for years, and even when I had 12GB of RAM back in the Nehalem days it wasn't an issue. Unless you're one of those people that have dozens browser tabs and windows open whilst gaming, you're unlikely to require the pagefile if you have 16GB of RAM..

The most I've seen the Witcher 3 use is a little over 7GB, but that's with the OS running. That leaves plenty of RAM to spare..
 
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PrincessMassacre

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#16
Jun 17, 2015
bro, i just told you... with 8gb ram, TW3 uses 6-10gb+ pagefile, with 16gb ram, TW3 uses 2-6gb pagefile. and that's just in very short period testing.

just windows 7 itself will eat some 8-12gb ram+pagefile, depending on how many apps you have running...

go ahead, try disabling pagefile :\ won't be a month before you find something that breaks.

plus, windows will allot/commit more ram for applications than they actually require. then you get 0x0 - invalid page fault ;o
 
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prince_of_nothing

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Jun 18, 2015
PrincessMassacre said:
bro, i just told you... with 8gb ram, TW3 uses 6-10gb+ pagefile, with 16gb ram, TW3 uses 2-6gb pagefile. and that's just in very short period testing.

just windows 7 itself will eat some 8-12gb ram+pagefile, depending on how many apps you have running...

go ahead, try disabling pagefile :\ won't be a month before you find something that breaks.

plus, windows will allot/commit more ram for applications than they actually require. then you get 0x0 - invalid page fault ;o
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Look breh, I already told you. I've had my pagefile disabled for YEARS with no issues whatsoever, and I've been playing the Witcher 3 at 1440p 60 FPS maxed settings on my twin 980 FTWs since release with no serious issues besides the driver crashing about three or four times, which seems to be affecting a lot of people regardless of whether their pagefile is disabled or enabled. Also, I never even heard of this access denied error until I opened this thread. A lot of gamers disable the pagefile, to save writes to their SSD and to reduce/eliminate pagefile access and I'm one of them.

Also I'm running Windows 8.1 Pro, which is more efficient with system resources than Windows 7. But even if I was running Windows 7, I'd still have the pagefile disabled :p
 
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Biebo1

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#18
Jun 18, 2015
prince_of_nothing said:
I'm in agreement with this. Although I personally don't have any stuttering, I noticed a few very minor pauses here and there that last maybe half a second when entering populated areas. Once everything has been loaded into RAM though, the pauses disappear even if I come to the same area again..
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This is exactly what i mean, a few pauses or mini freezes when you arrive in populated areas, and i'm really starting to think it has something to do with all the interiors and their objects/inhabitants being part of the open world and not "hidden" behind loading screens. I mean it's really impressive to see everything being rendered in realtime, but i'd rather have a short loading transition when entering certain houses instead of a stutterfest.

I'm dealing with this since release and the "number of background characters" option does absolutely nothing.
Doesn't matter if low or ultra, i always have the same amount of npcs in villages and some of them just pop up right in front of my nose, even on ultra.
 
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PrincessMassacre

Senior user
#19
Jun 18, 2015
prince_of_nothing said:
I've had my pagefile disabled for YEARS with no issues whatsoever, and I've been playing the Witcher 3 at 1440p
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that's part of the problem. lower resolution = less ram.

prince_of_nothing said:
60 FPS maxed settings on my twin 980 FTWs
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this wouldn't affect your ram usage...

prince_of_nothing said:
since release with no serious issues besides the driver crashing about three or four times, which seems to be affecting a lot of people regardless of whether their pagefile is disabled or enabled.
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that's correct. but you weren't paying attention. the error in question was addr 0x0, which is generally an invalid page fault... ie: page does not exist (not enough ram/pagefile)... this is a very specific error...

prince_of_nothing said:
Also, I never even heard of this access denied error until I opened this thread. A lot of gamers disable the pagefile, to save writes to their SSD and to reduce/eliminate pagefile access and I'm one of them.
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this is a fallacy. disabling pagefile will actually make your system slower. anything that is cached, must be rebuilt each time it's flushed... that takes a lot longer than simply paging some addresses from disk to ram... as stated previously: if you want to reduce pagefile usage, just buy more ram... also, this thing about extending life of ssds is not true. you may, after a few years, lose a few bad blocks, inconsequential. :\

prince_of_nothing said:
Also I'm running Windows 8.1 Pro, which is more efficient with system resources than Windows 7.
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nope, uses about the same. win 8.1 also has several memory optimizations over win7. performance-wise, prob faster.

anyways, to address your specific situation. as i said before, 20-24gb total (ram+page) is enough to get by, for witcher 3 at least and most games. i like 24 because it's a safe, round number. if you're running lower resolution and less apps (prob no antivirus either)... 16gb might be enough. but you're still losing performance, bcs windows can't properly cache anything from ram if it needs the space for something else... in practice, it's probably generating more disk activity, not less. and then you're going to run into various cases of stuff that's just brokendue to no pagefile. i could also think of a few graphical/video editing, memory-intensive applications, which would simply die a horrible death...

moral of the story: no pagefile = bad. more ram = good. pagefile usage reduced by sufficient ram.
 
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Serwadion

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#20
Jun 18, 2015
Hey guys,
Many of you doesn't specify which hardware and driver version have installed, that could be helpful for understand which configuration can cause trouble ;)
 
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