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High heels vs character-believability and respect

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didymos1120

didymos1120

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#221
Sep 27, 2014
username_2080630 said:
Women wearing high heels in TW3 is nothing compared to this
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Talking about respecting women in video games huh?
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Well, at least she's wearing combat boots.
 
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Marsep

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#222
Sep 28, 2014
If the high heels don't get removed from Ciri in the final product I will be very disappointed with CD Projekt RED.
It is just ridiculous and makes no sense at all. She needs proper shoes... for Melitele's sake.
 
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Mefris

Mefris

Senior user
#223
Sep 28, 2014
I think everyone's criticizing the character designs a little to much.Personally,I'm fine with how everyone looks except for one little tid bit:Yen's hair.
 
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freakie1one

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#224
Sep 28, 2014
jmslionheart said:
If the high heels don't get removed from Ciri in the final product I will be very disappointed with CD Projekt RED.
It is just ridiculous and makes no sense at all. She needs proper shoes... for Melitele's sake.
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Since (according to lore) Ciri does dress over-the-top on purpose then what would you recommend CDPR replace the heels with which would more accurately represent her character? Wearing mundane, boring shoes would be even more out-of-character than wearing heels would be in Ciri's particular case.
 
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Mefris

Mefris

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#225
Sep 28, 2014
freakie1one said:
Since (according to lore) Ciri does dress over-the-top on purpose then what would you recommend CDPR replace the heels with which would more accurately represent her character? Wearing mundane, boring shoes would be even more out-of-character than wearing heels would be in Ciri's particular case.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you and I honestly don't see why a few CMs of heels rubs everyone here the wrong way.It's not like she's wearing stilettos for crying out loud.
 
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Veleda.980

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#226
Sep 28, 2014
I haven't read the whole thread, but agree with the OP completely. Similar with Saskia's bare chest, the little detail kind of ruins the character for me. I'll try to overlook it, making peace with the idea that some details are going to be unrealistic in order to sex up the female characters. In the end, it's an aesthetic choice, and people's tastes vary. Just because it's not my taste, doesn't mean it's a statement of some sort.

freakie1one said:
Since (according to lore) Ciri does dress over-the-top on purpose then what would you recommend CDPR replace the heels with which would more accurately represent her character? Wearing mundane, boring shoes would be even more out-of-character than wearing heels would be in Ciri's particular case.
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If she dresses in high heels when she needs to be running or fighting, she's an idiot. So yes, I'd say dressing her in appropriately heeled (and still sexy) riding boots would be better.
 
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freakie1one

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#227
Sep 29, 2014
Veleda said:
If she dresses in high heels when she needs to be running or fighting, she's an idiot. So yes, I'd say dressing her in appropriately heeled (and still sexy) riding boots would be better.
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Then I suppose she's an idiot. In the books she doesn't dress in a practical or normal fashion; just the opposite. Yet she still managed to survive and be proficient nonetheless.
 
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goopit

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#228
Sep 29, 2014
freakie1one said:
Then I suppose she's an idiot. In the books she doesn't dress in a practical or normal fashion; just the opposite. Yet she still managed to survive and be proficient nonetheless.
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care to give quotes from the book?

witchers didn't really depend on armor so I don't care if she's wearing a clown suit but high heels are just retarded
 
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GuyNwah

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#229
Sep 29, 2014
guipit said:
care to give quotes from the book?

witchers didn't really depend on armor so I don't care if she's wearing a clown suit but high heels are just retarded
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Already given; the Rats were notorious for flashy dress and high heels. "Idiot" and "retarded" are strong words to apply to an artist-created fictional character. "Lacking verisimilitude" is as far as that goes, and even that misses the point when applied to a fantasy character.
 
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goopit

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#230
Sep 29, 2014
Guy N'wah said:
Already given; the Rats were notorious for flashy dress and high heels. "Idiot" and "retarded" are strong words to apply to an artist-created fictional character. "Lacking verisimilitude" is as far as that goes, and even that misses the point when applied to a fantasy character.
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You can't really say Ciri's design right now is "flashy" they just look like travelling clothes.

Do Rats duel in high heels though? high heels would be useful in some espionage disguise stuff but Ciri doesn't seem to be doing that at the moment.
 
Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

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#231
Sep 29, 2014
guipit said:
You can't really say Ciri's design right now is "flashy" they just look like travelling clothes.

Do Rats duel in high heels though? high heels would be useful in some espionage disguise stuff but Ciri doesn't seem to be doing that at the moment.
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A lot of historic attire was flashy and not very practical. Even more surprising, the military one.

For instance, how is this type of helmet supposed to improve aerodynamics for the military cavalry?



Source.

Yet such were used.
 
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alexanderros

alexanderros

Senior user
#232
Sep 29, 2014
You guys need to calm down, CD Projekt Red Probably have their reason. Let's leave it until release, and if you still don't like it there'll be mods for that.
 
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Mefris

Mefris

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#233
Sep 29, 2014
Gilrond said:
A lot of historic attire was flashy and not very practical[...]
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...which isn't the case for high heels because they helped riders keep their feet in their stirrups and improved stability when they stood up to fire arrows.
 
ReptilePZ

ReptilePZ

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#234
Sep 29, 2014
guipit said:
You can't really say Ciri's design right now is "flashy" they just look like travelling clothes.

Do Rats duel in high heels though? high heels would be useful in some espionage disguise stuff but Ciri doesn't seem to be doing that at the moment.
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They do, actually. They also dance on tables with high heels, do drugs and kill innocents. They do a lot of not-so-clever things because they're just a bunch of brats with no parent to give them a good slap. Ciri, out of all the Sapkowski characters, is the one I would never complain about if her design is not practical or not realistic, because she's that kind of character. It's one of the reasons why I don't like the character, it's in a complete contrast to the setting and world, taking away from the experiece for me.

The father-daughter dynamic she has with Geralt is about the only thing I do actually like about her. Anyway, my point is that high heels are hardly a big deal when you take the character into account, and it's definitely not there for 'sexing up' as some have claimed. It's part of who she is, flashy for the sake of being flashy, because that's her understanding of 'being cool' in a world ravaged by war.
 
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goopit

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#235
Sep 29, 2014
ReptilePZ said:
They do, actually. They also dance on tables with high heels, do drugs and kill innocents. They do a lot of not-so-clever things because they're just a bunch of brats with no parent to give them a good slap. Ciri, out of all the Sapkowski characters, is the one I would never complain about if her design is not practical or not realistic, because she's that kind of character. It's one of the reasons why I don't like the character, it's in a complete contrast to the setting and world, taking away from the experiece for me.

The father-daughter dynamic she has with Geralt is about the only thing I do actually like about her. Anyway, my point is that high heels are hardly a big deal when you take the character into account, and it's definitely not there for 'sexing up' as some have claimed. It's part of who she is, flashy for the sake of being flashy, because that's her understanding of 'being cool' in a world ravaged by war.
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I was referring to how the rest of her attire is more or less practical while her heels aren't. If CDPR wanted to portray her as impractical they would inform us with more elements in the design.

I'd be satisfied if Geralt or Yen remark on that trait of hers and point out how ridiculous and dangerous those heels are.
 
ReptilePZ

ReptilePZ

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#236
Sep 29, 2014
guipit said:
I was referring to how the rest of her attire is more or less practical while her heels aren't.
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I don't agree that corsets, ornamented silver belts and fine, fashionable clothes made from the finest materials are practical. Those, together with the heels, form a coherent 'these clothes are best for showing off, not for practical use' feel.
 
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goopit

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#237
Oct 1, 2014
ReptilePZ said:
I don't agree that corsets, ornamented silver belts and fine, fashionable clothes made from the finest materials are practical. Those, together with the heels, form a coherent 'these clothes are best for showing off, not for practical use' feel.
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but they're muted/plain colors. It wasn't the first thing to cross my mind that she was "showing off" although she is fashionable.

also were the Rats uncontested until Bonhart came along? if nobody can even touch them in terms of skill and cunning then they could wear whatever they wanted.
 
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crimzonwarrior

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#238
Oct 1, 2014
We still don't know the context of the scenes that she appears in. So knowing why she is dressed the way she is, or the reasoning for her actions is total conjecture. For example we know that she "warps" into the swamp, and could have literally come from anywhere. Maybe she was at a party, maybe it was just in a casual setting that impractical fashion would haven been acceptable like in a town, or maybe something even stranger. There just really is no way to label it as unbelievable, or poor choice of clothing without knowing what is happening in the storyline.
 
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EliHarel

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#239
Oct 1, 2014
The context comment is valid, only I feel it's a bit forced. Even if she escaped from some social event where she felt like flaunting around in heels, I don't see her appearance changing once she enters the game, no more than I see Yen deciding she likes this cloak better, or Triss feeling that a new pair of boots halfway through the story better highlight her eyes and switches. I highly doubt NPCs will change their clothes throughout the game, let alone due to conscious practical considerations on the characters' behalf. In the majority of games NPCs don't change clothes, and it's understandable. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, yes? Not because of the heels - but because characters changing clothes, in general, is pretty damn impressive. Considering how intricate CDPR's designs are, though, and the astounding amount of detail found in each character, I doubt it.

You can argue that in Ciri's case it's just a matter of changing the foot design, so giving her an alternate appearance is very simple. But again I feel it's something of a forced suggestion. More for the sake of forum debating rather than what's likely to expect from a game. Why would a dev go through that hassle? Just to emphasize the point that this character was escaping from a party? It's a bit overthinking it.

All this to say - in my opinion the context is irrelevant since characters will probably dress the same throughout the game.
 
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crimzonwarrior

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#240
Oct 1, 2014
eliharel said:
The context comment is valid, only I feel it's a bit forced. Even if she escaped from some social event where she felt like flaunting around in heels, I don't see her appearance changing once she enters the game, no more than I see Yen deciding she likes this cloak better, or Triss feeling that a new pair of boots halfway through the story better highlight her eyes and switches. I highly doubt NPCs will change their clothes throughout the game, let alone due to conscious practical considerations on the characters' behalf. In the majority of games NPCs don't change clothes, and it's understandable. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, yes? Not because of the heels - but because characters changing clothes, in general, is pretty damn impressive. Considering how intricate CDPR's designs are, though, and the astounding amount of detail found in each character, I doubt it.

You can argue that in Ciri's case it's just a matter of changing the foot design, so giving her an alternate appearance is very simple. But again I feel it's something of a forced suggestion. More for the sake of forum debating rather than what's likely to expect from a game. Why would a dev go through that hassle? Just to emphasize the point that this character was escaping from a party? It's a bit overthinking it.

All this to say - in my opinion the context is irrelevant since characters will probably dress the same throughout the game.
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There is nothing strange at all about having a character change appearances between scenes, and it would actually be bizzare if it didn't happen. Now there may be a set design a character has in the bulk of scenes they appear in like travel clothes.
 
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