Luckyly they are in most aspects and details, and probably a nice bunch of the success is thanks to being loyal to an incredible an powerful lore which they did an impressive work translating to another media.
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@Crivil yeah 100% books are great but even it can be skewed if not given proper art direction. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l115/JayShadow/GeraltConcepts_zps881b9ad7.jpg things could have easily went the other way for W1. CDPRs appreciation for the being subtle and not overstated with their character designs are worthy of praise. These heels though do a disservice to their more or less consistently good art direction.
@mefris haha! chill out! I like how you searched all my posts for that quote. yeah please PM me the original post I'd love to see it. civilized discussion is overrated anyway.
also the quote does not show I'm a hypocrite; I'm not saying they should ignore the books but they shouldn't be tied down, like it's law sort of thing. Geralt should be portrayed as an outcast/freak because it's important to the story. It's part of his motivations in the decisions in-game.
Are Ciris heels going to have the same impact? portraying her as a brat? Maybe! but it damages the believability/verisimilitude of the world and her trait of being a good swordsman. It's ridiculous (which all I'm asking is Geralt refer to this btw) so what do you do when those two contradict each other in the audiences mind?
@mefris haha! chill out! I like how you searched all my posts for that quote. yeah please PM me the original post I'd love to see it. civilized discussion is overrated anyway.
also the quote does not show I'm a hypocrite; I'm not saying they should ignore the books but they shouldn't be tied down, like it's law sort of thing. Geralt should be portrayed as an outcast/freak because it's important to the story. It's part of his motivations in the decisions in-game.
Are Ciris heels going to have the same impact? portraying her as a brat? Maybe! but it damages the believability/verisimilitude of the world and her trait of being a good swordsman. It's ridiculous (which all I'm asking is Geralt refer to this btw) so what do you do when those two contradict each other in the audiences mind?
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I really don't think they intended any kind of profound meaning behind giving her high heels. It seems like they just intended to give every female character with a fashion-sense (mostly sorceresses) high heels, but then forgot to consider how ridiculous it would be for a swordfighter like Ciri. Although my opening post was very much accusative of them doing it on purpose as a means of "sexing her up." After some consideration I did realize that it was most likely by accident and I did apologize for accusing them. Considering some of the stuff we've seen in recent screenshots, with Geralt wearing a robe that went all the way down to his ankles, I suspect that some of the designers just don't have a very good grasp on where the line is drawn between practical/stylish, which is fine, but please listen when people tell you about these things, everyone makes mistakes, but we should also make an effort to correct them.
I have a good memory.It also helped that everything I quoted was from one of your posts in the charactere appearence thread
And her tight attire or the longness of her hair doesn't?A corset not only restricts your movement but it also restricts the ability to breathe properly.Long hair restricts your vision and it gives the enemy something to grab on.High heeled boots on the other hand have been used for riding purposes for almost a millennium by common folk and military alike:
(As for the PM I'll send it after I finish making dinner)
This is getting redundant, You're clearly avoiding my main point about believability and contradicting traits. I didn't see any historical evidence in the thread that suggests that a lot of people used this and certainly not military. It's often just for fashion. also the picture you posted aren't fashion model heels like Ciri's
Long hair and corsets aren't the same as high heels. If I made you wear one of those three things in a fight you would certainly not pick the high heels.
@Percival_Dickenbutts http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7040/knightstemplar.jpg don't crusader knights where long robe-like clothes? also I don't care about Geralts armor so much because I can just ignore most of them like I did for W2 (boy some of those armors look fucking weird) I only liked 3 armors http://guipit-forum.tumblr.com/image/44343747596 and my favorite canon armor comes from a mod http://static-3.nexusmods.com/15/mods/153/images/72-1-1306927512.jpg
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The only person avoiding anything in this thread is yourself,guipit.As for the historical evidence you require:
[sub]A men's 17th Century Persian shoe, covered in shagreen - horse-hide with pressed mustard seeds[/sub]
You may find it surprising to find out that high heeled shoes, once worn by European aristocrats to signify aristocracy and glamour, were indeed used historically by Iranian Cavalry, as BBC quotes Elizabeth Semmelhack of the Bata Shoe Museum in Toronto.
"The high heel was worn for centuries throughout the near east as a form of riding footwear," says Elizabeth Semmelhack of the Bata Shoe Museum in Toronto. Good horsemanship was essential to the fighting styles of Persia - the historical name for modern-day Iran. "When the soldier stood up in his stirrups, the heel helped him to secure his stance so that he could shoot his bow and arrow more effectively."-source
Edit:Original BBC article
If I had to choose between wearing a corset to battle and wearing the same high heels Ciri's wearing in the screenshots I'd take the heels anyday of the week because I don't want to faint before I even enter the fight.
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Those heels aren't as high as Ciri's heels(i'd be happy if they were that height) also they were used in mounted combat which used lances,bows and other weapons not swords. Is Ciri going to do mounted combat!? maybe but she'd be shit while fighting on foot. Go find me a some historical evidence of common high heeled swordsmen who have been around for "millennium"
I'm sure everyone who has worn a corset has promptly fainted just after they put it on (sarcasm).
It isn't even about practicality for me anymore it's what the audience will think. If none of the characters notice how ridiculous this shit is then it'll be written off as some bad art direction or worse.
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*Aplause*The mighty strawman emerges.Great.I wonder why I even bothered.Eh..nothing else to do until the trailer comes out so might as well continue...
[sub]*A strawman till the end[/sub]
Of course they aren't.They are just short enough for your argument to be valid.[/sarcasm] Prove to me that Ciri's boots are higher because I see them as being just about the same hight.
Are you seriously implying that mounted combat was done exclusively with bows and lances and never with swords?
Two can play this game.Go find me some historical evidence of a warrior of any type that ever set foot even near to a battlefield wearing a corset.Heck,even one that set foot after the battle ended is enough for me.
[sub]*A strawman till the end[/sub]
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The corset she's wearing doesn't look like one of those super-tight laced up versions that chubby noblewomen who needed to fake a shapely figure would wear.
It seems to follow the natural shape of her body. If anything it reminds me more of Gladiator Kidney Belts, which would allow movement and also provide some measure of protection.
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Those heels are way too high to even be considered riding heels, your foot would get stuck in the stirrups, so they wouldn't even be good for anything more than a gentle trot.
It seems to follow the natural shape of her body. If anything it reminds me more of Gladiator Kidney Belts, which would allow movement and also provide some measure of protection.
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Those heels are way too high to even be considered riding heels, your foot would get stuck in the stirrups, so they wouldn't even be good for anything more than a gentle trot.
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It certanly looks like that but to me it looks a lot tighter then it should be for a warrior wanting maneuverability.Those kinds of belts were mainly used to protect the back and gut not to pretty yourself up with an hourglass figure.
It certanly looks like that but to me it looks a lot tighter then it should be for a warrior wanting maneuverability.Those kinds of belts were mainly used to protect the back and gut not to pretty yourself up with an hourglass figure.
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@mefris but that's what I'm saying, that corset looks like it is meant to function more like armor and doesn't look too tight because Ciri already has a nice hourglass figure. I agree that there are certainly some other aspects to her design that might not make as much sense either, If I were to design Ciri I probably wouldn't give her any kind of corset either. But that is no justification for having the heels stay. Just like you think she shouldn't wear a corset, but you don't mind the heels, I think she shouldn't wear the heels, but I don't necessarily mind the corset, at the same time though, I wouldn't be mad if they decided to remove the corset, so why are you so against the idea of getting rid of the heels? In the end it's CDPR's decision, and I can't do anything but voice my opinion, it's up to them whether or not they choose to listen or to ignore. It's quite hypocritical of them if they say that the put an emphasis on practicality over style if the heels stay though.
haha no
alright I was wrong about the lances and swords thing but she'd still be shit on foot.
why do I gotta defend the corset anyway!? you're the one waving around big bold paragraphs about warriors in heels. This thread is about the heels and corsets are off-topic~! besides it's just leather that conforms to the shape of her body. we don't even know if corset is the right word to use. we don't know if it's tight or flexible or whatever the fuck.
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I don't care about any of this Percival.Not the corset,the heels,Yen's hair,Gerlat's figure etc.I think every single character we've seen in the screenshots looks absolutely fine.It's a fantasy world so I'm not going to judge it by the same criteria I would judge something realistic/historic.The only reason I'm here is that I don't think the heels are that much of a problem (in regards to believability) when you look at the rest of her attire.
I don't care about any of this Percival.Not the corset,the heels,Yen's hair,Gerlat's figure etc.I think every single character we've seen in the screenshots looks absolutely fine.It's a fantasy world so I'm not going to judge it by the same criteria I would judge something realistic/historic.The only reason I'm here is that I don't think the heels are that much of a problem (in regards to believability) when you look at the rest of her attire.
@mefris so really this isn't about high heels or the portrayal of the character to you? You're just defending CDPR from the horrors of criticism?
I'm defending them by pointing out that other aspects of their character are more unrealistic then the one you pointed out in the OP?
What...?
Then don't use it as an argument then.
I'm sure she would.
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See, it's ok to criticize. Honestly, you would've made a better point of not caring if you just said "don't care" and left it at that, like other people did.
Let me just ask you this: If Ciri had been designed with normal boots in the first place, would you say that they should've given her high heels?
that's certainly what good art directors think when they make anything in fantasy genre [/sarcasm]
I don't see how this is relevant but to answer your question:No,I wouldn't say anything about it.Just like I din't say anything about changing her shoes now.I don't care one way or the other how they choose to make their characters.
You would know what good art directors think,wouldn't you guipit?
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By your reasoning, I'd only be satisfied if Geralt comments on how ridiculous mounting that sword on her back is first. I'm willing to believe Ciri's past as a Rat has made her accustomed to fighting on heels, but what style of fighting could (realistically) take advantage of such a sword mounted like that?
Hasn't there been enough evidence posted to suggest the designers may have given Ciri those boots on purpose to fit her character and background (her past as a Rat and all-around brat)?
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