Homosexual Relations In The Witcher 3

[Ploutonas]

(to Madaras' list)
Good, that makes it much clearer.

I just need to point out that the whole "10% of the population is gay" is actually untrue. The number is thought to be between 1-4% based on other (more recent and less biased) studies than Kinsey's.

let's not speak about percentage. Dark ages and religions brought rules into humans spiritual form, just to control them and also establish specific stereotypes into humans mind, be able to let them live in fear.
That yahobah is going to banish you into HELL, demons will eat you inside out, etc. So let's not speak about percentages, all humans are gay and str8 at the same time. Now if there is some humans of the same sex, that despite the opposite sex, then yes that's a bit limited and due to bad stereotypes. Meaning that it's the societies fault, not the specific individual.

In the other hand, some recent research showed that the mothers dna is the cause of gayness (not the fathers). I believe all these are rubbish. Science is rubbish and blind, most of the things they discover or believe, are lies and or known from ancient years. science is very overestimated, I could prove you that.

So I do believe humans need a detoxification of all these stereotypes, so the new generations can grow up in a more healthy environment and please do not translate "the more healthy environment and detoxification" with the so called "new age" " new world order", no.... Humans in the ancient years, lived healthy... today with these rulers, we live un-healthy.

But in the ancient years, the word "GOD and GODS" had different meaning from the one they promote to us today.

Humans lived in a balance. Today, they want countries and races totally merged and totally unspiritual, so they can obey their commands. One of the tools they use, is to promote "gay" with big dozes and with a very bad way, helps them also in the reduction of populations.
percentages tend to make the topic very "religious". So I am not against gay and I am not against str8, because for me its the same thing, its human...

I am against all these who created these dogmas and stereotypes that blurs the mind. This is one of the sirens in mythology. I call them abominations.

So I do believe in quality and balance, than dogmas and stereotypes...

 

[weirdwayne15]

Let's say we have your percentages and have a similar scenario. only 10 people are left in the world (and you can't really simulate a part of a person so we'll round to 1 for homosexuals) so you have 1 homosexual and 9 heterosexuals that homosexual would be easier to find. much like if you decreased the world's population from 7 billion to 1000. Simply they are easier to find.

 

[ReptilePZ]

 

[vivaxardas2015]

let's not speak about percentage. Dark ages and religions brought rules into humans spiritual form, just to control them and also establish specific stereotypes into humans mind, be able to let them live in fear.
That yahobah is going to banish you into HELL, demons will eat you inside out, etc. So let's not speak about percentages, all humans are gay and str8 at the same time. Now if there is some humans of the same sex, that despite the opposite sex, then yes that's a bit limited and due to bad stereotypes. Meaning that it's the societies fault, not the specific individual.

In the other hand, some recent research showed that the mothers dna is the cause of gayness (not the fathers). I believe all these are rubbish. Science is rubbish and blind, most of the things they discover or believe, are lies and or known from ancient years. science is very overestimated, I could prove you that.

So I do believe humans need a detoxification of all these stereotypes, so the new generations can grow up in a more healthy environment and please do not translate "the more healthy environment and detoxification" with the so called "new age" " new world order", no.... Humans in the ancient years, lived healthy... today with these rulers, we live un-healthy.

But in the ancient years, the word "GOD and GODS" had different meaning from the one they promote to us today.

Humans lived in a balance. Today, they want countries and races totally merged and totally unspiritual, so they can obey their commands. One of the tools they use, is to promote "gay" with big dozes and with a very bad way, helps them also in the reduction of populations.
percentages tend to make the topic very "religious". So I am not against gay and I am not against str8, because for me its the same thing, its human...

I am against all these who created these dogmas and stereotypes that blurs the mind. This is one of the sirens in mythology. I call them abominations.

So I do believe in quality, than dogmas and stereotypes...

For fuck's sake, let's detoxificate somewhere else, not on a gaming forum! I can't believe how much crap people brought into this thread!

 

[Mihura]

So where do people get this impression that the witcher world is hyper homophobic? I mean I never saw any of that, actually the only thing homophobic that I saw was done by the devs when they decide to castrated Dethmold, characters in the world of the books and game never comment on one's sexuality or preferences as some kind of war against morals. Maybe fantasying lesbianism(devs again) sure but outright homophobia no.

They are a lot more against magic users and magic experiments than anything else. Your "morals" about this subject do not exist in the game in the same way. There is a lot of bigotry but people only kill for stupid reasons because of racism against other races and magic users and not really anything else. So I expect the devs to do it justice and not what happen on TW 2.

 

[Ploutonas]

Lesbianism is allowed because you can force women and can make babies. Its the same stereotype. Thats why lesbianism is allowed widely.

So thats my point in the whole thing... because of dogmas and stereotypes.

BTW I live in Lesbos Island, I am a lesbian guy lesbians took their name from my Island, from an ancient poetress "Sapho".

 

[weirdwayne15]

I can't say I completely agree with Ploutonas, but he also has some good points. For instance in the bible before the great flood the world was supposedly populated with homosexuals as the majority. So we can't quite take the percentages we are accustom to into account. Also we must realize it's a game, I know when I write my books I don't stop and consider the world's population when creating the dynamics and quite often I don't make the world full of gay or straight people. It's not a conscience thing. When it feels right to have a man fall in love with a woman I let it happen. When it feels right that this man falls for man I let it happen. The only reason you see us "activist" is because the majority of people don't have this mind set. So in order to progress beyond sterotypes and exclusion there are those of us who encourage it. With the reason not to be over represented or hyped up, but to open up the minds of others to more possibilities than they see in front of them. I, as a writer, am pretty creative I use all the tools at my disposal to make a story colorful, meaningful, and enjoyable. Too often a persons sexual orientation MUST be heterosexual or as we've seen in these forums alone people get up in arms about it, but when everyone puts prejudice aside you can see beyond hate and beyond "normal" and enjoy a world that is more rich than you saw at first glance.

 

[ReptilePZ]

the only thing homophobic that I saw was done by the devs when they decide to castrated Dethmold

So I expect the devs to do it justice and not what happen on TW 2.

Except the fact that Roche clearly states that Dethmold "can't give back" what he took from him and so cutting off his balls and slitting his throat will have to do - didn't do it because Dethmold wasn't heterosexual but because he murdered all of Roche's friends.

Anyway, carry on.

 

[Mihura]

I never said I was against lesbianism, that would be ridicules. They do it for the straight guys and not for the story, so it is fantasying homosexuality but not really homophobia and yes I hate the all "lesbian are cool because some guys can fap and gays are uncool because ewwww". That is the mindset I saw in TW 2, which is not mature at all and not even innovative.

The only thing I liked from Phillipa and Cynthia thing was how she manipulated her so easily and that is the story they should had told in the begging. The world of the witcher has some bigots of course but not a homophobic movement that is supported by the kingdoms, that gives you prison time or anything else. That is why I find the last question a little out of lore, if it was a relationship between a dwarf and human of the same gender it would made a lot more sense.

Except the fact that Roche clearly states that Dethmold "can't give back" what he took from him and so cutting off his balls and slitting his throat will have to do - didn't do it because Dethmold was heterosexual but because he murdered all of Roche's friends.

Anyway, carry on.

You are forgetting our own bias, believe me that scene cannot get a lot more homophobic than that. If he did the same to other characters like Henselt sure but nop.

 

[ReptilePZ]

I never said I was against lesbianism, that would be ridicules. They do it for the straight guys and not for the story, so it is fantasying homosexuality but not really homophobia and yes I hate the all "lesbian are cool because some guys can fap and gays are uncool because ewwww". That is the mindset I saw in TW 2, which is not mature at all and not even innovative.

I'd aso like to point out that Dethmold's lover and Cynthia were both wearing the same amount of clothing during their respective scenes.

*goes back to the popcorn*

 

[Mihura]

I'd aso like to point out that Dethmold's lover and Cynthia were both wearing the same amount of clothing during their respective scenes.

*goes back to the popcorn*

Hey if you want to miss the point, it is not me that is gonna to stop you. If I remember right their target audience were males over seventeen so.....

 

[ReptilePZ]

You are forgetting our own bias, believe me that scene cannot get a lot more homophobic than that. If he did the same to other characters like Henselt sure but nop.

He constantly kills people during interrogations, sees waterboarding as a joke, he's built up as a character who can't keep his cool and is rather brutal in his methods. If anyone's being biased here, that's you.

Hey if you want to miss the point, it is not me that is gonna to stop you. If I remember right their target audience were males over seventeen so.....

How am I missing the point? You said: ""lesbian are cool because some guys can fap and gays are uncool because ewwww". That is the mindset I saw in TW 2, which is not mature at all and not even innovative."

And I responded by saying that the male-on-male and female-on-female scenes are pretty similar in terms of how much is shown.

 

[Mihura]

He constantly kills people during interrogations, sees waterboarding as a joke, he's built up as a character who can't keep his cool and is rather brutal in his methods. If anyone's being biased here, that's you.



How am I missing the point? You said: ""lesbian are cool because some guys can fap and gays are uncool because ewwww". That is the mindset I saw in TW 2, which is not mature at all and not even innovative."

And I responded by saying that the male-on-male and female-on-female scenes are pretty similar in terms of how much is shown.

 

[ReptilePZ]

How did you know I was using a laptop? That is some NSA shit right there.

 

[otokage]

(to Madaras' list)
Good, that makes it much clearer.
I just need to point out that the whole "10% of the population is gay" is actually untrue. The number is thought to be between 1-4% based on other (more recent and less biased) studies than Kinsey's.

1-4% could be self-proclaimed homosexuals, which would be just a small % of the total homosexual population. Also the % of ppl that had an homosexual encounter/affair or had been attracted by the same-sex at least once in their life, is certainly much higher than 4%, since sexual experimentation is the norm in adolescence according to most adolescence-psychologist (Piaget, Vigotsky, etc).

Also, the prevalence of homosexuality in modern world it is not representative of homosexuality in other eras (is it asumed by historians that in the hedonist greece they had a larger % of homosexual practice than today).

Also recent reviews of Kinsey studies state that the experiments were not biased, since Gebhard found 36.4% of homosexuality in US men (having an homosexual atraction at least once) and Kinsey counted 37%.

Australia (2003) 8,6% men felt atraction to same-sex even if some considered themselves heterosexual.

Iceland (2007) 7% of men.

Norway (2003) 12%.

Rio de Janeiro (Brasil, 2009) 15%.

And so on. So giving “the witcher” society a 10% isn’t particularly uncorrect. I think the world average is between 8 - 10%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation

 

[secondchildren]

If those are the rules you choose to cite then you can apply them to the majority of post on this thread and even a good portion on this forum all together. However We've already progressed past the prior comment and it's been discussed in a civilized manner.

Yea, ok, but we're asking to YOU now. So please, you may want to adhere to those quoted rules^^

And no worry: when we want to ban someone we don't threaten. We act

 

[Shavod]

I mean I never saw any of that, actually the only thing homophobic that I saw was done by the devs when they decide to castrated Dethmold.

I think many people here do not get this scene at all. He's castration had nothing to do with Dethmold being homosexual, Roche didn't even look at his lover, so clearly he didn't care with who Dethmold shared he's bed. Then why does he castrates him and not Henselt? Well, he was responsible for slaughtering Roche's squad and hold his king's daughter as prisoner. Despite all of it he has sex (next to the imprisoned Anais) like nothing happened. That's what made Vernon angry and that's the reason he castrated him before slicing his throat. In the case of Henselt also Roche was already struggling with himself to dare to kill a king, so he had no time to torture him beforehand.

Also this scene has it's own narrative purpose and wasn't add here just to be gross. Both Roche and Iorweth spend most of the second act showing their more noble character traits and actually becoming more sympathetic. In the end of third act they both get their own scenes to remind us about their darker colors. In case of Roche we get unnecessary violent Dethmold assassination, which reminds us that he's still a sadist. In case of Iorwth we see how he kills two human guards for no other reason, then because they were just a mere d'hoine (he and Geralt could easily avoid them), which reminds us he's still a racist jerkass. It's a reminder that while they may be our allies, that doesn't make them a better people.

 

[Pelargon]

1-4% could be self-proclaimed homosexuals, which would be just a small % of the total homosexual population. Also the % of ppl that had an homosexual encounter/affair or had been attracted by the same-sex at least once in their life, is certainly much higher than 4%, since sexual experimentation is the norm in adolescence according to most adolescence-psychologist (Piaget, Vigotsky, etc).

Also, the prevalence of homosexuality in modern world it is not representative of homosexuality in other eras (is it asumed by historians that in the hedonist greece they had a larger % of homosexual practice than today).

Also recent reviews of Kinsey studies state that the experiments were not biased, since Gebhard found 36.4% of homosexuality in US men (having an homosexual atraction at least once) and Kinsey counted 37%.

Australia (2003) 8,6% men felt atraction to same-sex even if some considered themselves heterosexual.

Iceland (2007) 7% of men.

Norway (2003) 12%.

Rio de Janeiro (Brasil, 2009) 15%.

And so on. So giving “the witcher” society a 10% isn’t particularly uncorrect. I think the world average is between 8 - 10%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation

Having a homosexual attraction once does not make a person homosexual. What you're talking about is bisexuality. So the 10% is still not right for homosexuality.

 

[AserPik]

Well, occasionally straight men dress up as giant roosters. Why not have Geralt walk the land as a giant rooster then?

Eldon's trophy in TW2?

 

[otokage]

Having a homosexual attraction once does not make a person homosexual. That's what we were discussing. What you're talking about is bisexuality.

That's an interesting discussion, but actualy I wasn't planing on joinin it on this thread. I posted that because I suppose Geralt would have "homosexual atraction once" if the devs agreed to do something like what Madaras stated.

Everybody knows that Geralt would always be bisexual no matter how you make TW3.