Homosexuality in the witcher

[Rafael_L]

Homosexuality in the witcher

Ok, I know this has been discussed, but the threads I found were locked, as I figure this may be, and I wanted to express my wishes too, since I just joined.

I understand that Geralt is a predefined character based on books. But as far as I'm familiar with the game series, it offers lots of choices, so part of his personality is molded by who is in control, who he sides with, who he helps and who he fucks. The person holding the controller has the decisions, and his Geralt is not the same as of other players and not the same as conceived in literature.

If there is an option for Geralt to get it on with a dude, it's my option. You don't fight with somebody because he chose a different path in the game then you, he does what you chose, and you don't fight because there are choices, most of us really appreciate these choices as gamers. I'm not talking about what's cannon, I'm talking about what are my options in game.

I have only played some of the witcher 2 at a friend's house, but I'm super interested in witcher 3, and this is something that's important to me. Not as an agenda, or PC, or a statement, but because it's fun to me. They don't include gore to make a statement that violence in games doesn't turn us violent, they include it because it's fun. And I really wish they would include same sex relations, not obligatory by all means, maybe not even perceivable if you are not looking for it, but to have it there would be awesome to me, and I'm sure to many people also.

I just joined and don't know if people from CD actually replies stuff, but I would like to know their position on that.
I can imagine that for a full straight team it must be hard to understand and kinda a drag to imagine and simulate stuff that they are not into, but it would be very much appreciated.

And for the haters, it's not like I'm wishing to take away something of yours, I'm asking to be able to enjoy every aspect of the game just as you are able.

 

[Kinley]

Oh no... Not this again.

 

[Rafael_L]

Lol, sorry. It's just not "again" to me.

Just my 2 cents. And if the subject keeps showing, maybe it's because there's demand to it.

 

[ChrisPhilip38]

Geralt is not attracted to dudes. End of discussion.

 

[Kinley]

Lol, sorry. It's just not "again" to me.

Just my 2 cents. And if the subject keeps showing, maybe it's because there's demand to it.

I understand. Believe me, I do. Just that you have to understand, that while the player has control over Geralt's actions, all the actions are within the spectrum that are acceptable for Geralt's personality, he has his own agenda. Choices have to stay true to his character from the books. Geralt being a womanizer is part of his persona, changing that would change who Geralt is, in my opinion.

I just went "oh no" because this subject has been discussed to death, and it doesn't go well on this forum, it's quite a sensitive subject. So all I'll say is that you should brace yourself for some salty replies. Good luck!

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Rafael,

I fully sympathize with your position and I do lament the absence of homosexual or non-heterosexual protagonists in gaming and I hope we would have them because it's about time. I would have to disagree with you on this however.

Yes, it is true that the Witcher provides a degree of control over Geralt, where you can alter his beliefs, perceptions, opinions, and actions with regards to specific cases. But they are always within a strict parameter. Geralt, regardless of how we play him, remains Geralt. We don't alter his character, we simply alter his perception and beliefs with regards to specific things or events, and even that is limited to what Geralt is as a character. We cannot have a Geralt that condones the murder of the innocent, or a Geralt that would rather not do anything but chill, or a Geralt that wants to be actively involved in politics, for instance.

In the same vain, I do not think we should be able to alter Geralt's sexuality.
Geralt is a predefined character and our space of maneuver in terms of role playing him is very limited and rightfully so.

I do, truly, sympathize with your desire to be able to play a character you could relate with in aspects such as sexuality. But I don't think Geralt's character should be modified to that degree.

EDIT: On the other hand, what I would love to see is more non-heterosexual NPCs, main and secondary characters.

 

[Rafael_L]

Thanks for the respectful replies!

As I said, I barely played witcher 2, didn't read books, I am not a fan (yet), but the witcher 3 is getting a lot of attention (cause it looks awesome), and I tought of bringing my wishes here.

If you guys feel strongly that this wouldn't fit this character that you love, I'm not confronting you. After all, it's important to listen to true fans.

knightofphoenix, I was really glad to read that you have empathy, that seems so rare unfortunately. It really feels like a hole not having mainstream quality in games for my demographic.

Edit: Also knightofphoenix, your explanation was the most convincing.

 

[master_miller]

I have to agree with what's already been said. I'm warning you, OP, this thread will go completely out of control (any "controversial" thread goes insanely off-topic, for some reason). I am not even remotely homophobic, but I'll just give the same basic response as everyone else: Geralt isn't homosexual, and that's not something that is even biologically possible to change. Also, a good portion of this game will be about Yennefer, his sorceress lover from the books (they're magically connected, too). I respect your opinion, just don't expect this to be in the game. However, I'm sure that you will still be able to enjoy The Witcher 3 without it. :cheers:

 

[master_miller]

Also, Bioware offers these choices, though their games generally aren't as good as CDPR's

 

[dragonbird]

Hi, Rafael.
As others have pointed out, the problem as far as this game is concerned is that there's a well-established lore, based on the books, and those books define Geralt in a certain way. He has a known history. He is a nomad, which means he doesn't settle down and buy a house. He is a male with white hair and a pale skin. He isn't handsome. He can't father children. And he only has female lovers.
Suggestions that break even a small part of that lore tend to be strongly rejected by the fans, and we get very protective of that lore (you should take a look at the thread about him using a crossbow instead of sticking to swords). CDPR would be considered to have betrayed that fanbase if they were to make a BIG change like his sexual orientation.

The next game that CDPR will be making will be Cyberpunk 2077. That's the game where we would expect to see the introduction of player choice about all aspects of the protagonist. But until then, I hope you will enjoy playing as Geralt, but as a strong character in his own way.

 

[Rafael_L]

Hey Dragonbird, didn't know about Cyberpunk, just watched the trailer... two beautiful women in revealing clothes lol... I sense we won't be seeing that kind of choice, and that there will still be accusations of misogyny.

It just seems to be what the developers are into. They seem pretty awesome about some stuff, like DRM, the stuff included in regular edition of the witcher, I hear they also don't do exclusive to one console stuff. And the witcher really does look great and I may try it, but I'm coming to terms that they just won't match my way of thinking.

 

[GuyNwah]

Hey Dragonbird, didn't know about Cyberpunk, just watched the trailer... two beautiful women in revealing clothes lol... I sense we won't be seeing that kind of choice, and that there will still be accusations of misogyny.

It just seems to be what the developers are into. They seem pretty awesome about some stuff, like DRM, the stuff included in regular edition of the witcher, I hear they also don't do exclusive to one console stuff. And the witcher really does look great and I may try it, but I'm coming to terms that they just won't match my way of thinking.

There already have been charges of misogyny laid against CP 2077, but I won't dignify them by going into them here.

CP 2077 gives you a strongly custom player character in a Northern California setting. If there aren't LGBT NPCs and a decide-for-yourself sexual orientation, I think that game would be as out of place in its setting as Geralt the Gay Blade would be in the Witcher setting.

Anyway, we have a whole forum for those issues, where you're just as welcome as you are here. Glad you joined us.

 

[Garrison72]

OP, wait for Cyberpunk 2077, their other game in development where you'll be able to play a blank slate character. I look forward to it myself as I'll finally be able to play a female in a CDPR game.

 

[Blothulfur]

Cyberpunk world sexuality and gender are as fluid as you want 'em to be, you can even fuck cyborgs with only a few living parts, brain, eyes, spinal cord maybe. Like the cyber psycho thing in the trailer. Very highly sexualised world though, like our own fashion and flaunting the flesh gets more decadent and daring as society advances.

Edit: So long as you've got the creds, nothing's free in Night City.

 

[eskiMoe]

And for the haters, it's not like I'm wishing to take away something of yours, I'm asking to be able to enjoy every aspect of the game just as you are able.

Yet you want to change an established character, which you pointed out you know nothing about since you haven't read any of the books or played the games.

Yep. Don't see any fan taking an offence in that.

With all due respect. Read the books and play the games and come back again.

 

[Cs__sz__r]

Damn the books for all intents and purposes of this post. And I'm going to put this nicely as I can, take it for what you will.

Everybody has posted why it shouldn't be changed. Two games involving an obviously heterosexual man. Yeah let's not make him gay/bi all of sudden okay? Thanks.

You've only played some of the Witcher Two as you stated. But you insist that your opinion be heard along with others who have actually played them through or a lot of us who have played them multiple times. Why should your opinion have as much weight? If you want to make an intellectual opinion on changing a big thing in a sequel go and get educated first. I don't give the first damn about slaying women with Geralt's third sword, it's just part of the game and his character. If I was to get a cutscene and Geralt thrust himself onto Dandelion or Zoltan I would probably destroy my game. Not because I'm against gays(I'm not by the way) but because that would be destroying an established character.

I will never understand this idea of the need of complete political correctness. So my words to you are: Go and actually play the games so that you can come back with a better understanding of what you want changed. Even if your opinion was the same it would be more respectable.

If I came off rude well, apologies. Anyways, welcome to the forums.

 

[goopit]

just wanna say in W2 both of the homosexual characters Philippa and Dethmold get horribly mutilated or killed.

I'm not sure if Cecil Burdon was gay but Geralt uses the information to blackmail him.

not complaining though.

 

[GuyNwah]

Nah, Cecil Burdon committed the unthinkable sin for a dwarf:
[pretty big spoiler]

Spoiler

He was sober.

 

[ethoro]

I'd add that not only you should not be able to chase guys becouse that is something not in line with character, but also remember that witcher universe is very close to the real thing, if get rid of magic, and quite sadly homosexual people, especialy guys, had it tough during middle ages. That would most likely simply convert the game from story driven rpg to defending equality. Kinda reminds me the sexism in witcher series thread. It simply is there becouse it is real thing we live with daily. For the same reason sexism is in witcher games geralt cannot be gay, sorry. But i have to admit it woulndt hurt to have some side characters to be that way, and having good time, with Geralt defending them if needed. As long as its not shoved up our faces like in some other games.

 

[Kallelinski]

Hey Dragonbird, didn't know about Cyberpunk, just watched the trailer... two beautiful women in revealing clothes lol... I sense we won't be seeing that kind of choice, and that there will still be accusations of misogyny.

She killed about 10 people in that scene and all some people see is a woman in revealing clothes. Talking about priorities, when showing too much skin is more important than murder.

In Cyberpunk you will be able to create a character, so you can do whatever you want, but that's not possible in the Witcher series, because you are playing a certain character with certain personalities. You can't just change these.

Also practical every sorcerer/sorceresses in the witcher universe is or was at a time bisexual, yes, that includes even characters we already seen in Witcher 1 and/or 2.