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Sagitarii

Sagitarii

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#161
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
I think the developers may have quite conservative views on sexuality and gender roles. I.E. the homosexual mage in Witcher 2.
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Of course. The fact that a character is perceived some way by other characters in game, books or movie must mean that devs, author or director feels the same way.

 
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Kinley

Kinley

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#162
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
It's not just Dem and Phil. There is very little proof in the two games of progressive attitudes among the devs.
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So just because they decided to stay true to the source material and create a believable world, with believable characters (not ones that suddenly change their sexuality at the click of one dialogue option), they are suddenly not "progressive". Come on...
 
KingHochmeister

KingHochmeister

Forum veteran
#163
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
It's not just Dem and Phil. There is very little proof in the two games of progressive attitudes among the devs.
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Because EVERY homosexual and heterosexual have "Badass" personalities? yeah?
 
EmperorZorn

EmperorZorn

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#164
Jun 19, 2014
Kinley said:
Just because the devs chose for that scene to go the way it did does not mean the entire team suddenly have an agenda against homosexuals.
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Exactly.

Be glad that CDPR treats homosexual characters on an eye-level with other characters,
and doesn't touch them with velvet gloves (no pun intended).

They are treated just like other human beings, they go through the same crap
and that equality is the highest form of respect CDPR could give to them.
 
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teenparty

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#165
Jun 19, 2014
Sagitarii said:
Of course. The fact that a character is perceived some way by other characters in game, books or movie must mean that devs, author or director feels the same way.

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I'm just saying I'd be very surprised if Geralt can have homosexual relationships in Withcer 3 or if homosexuals are depicted differently than in Witcher 2. We could of course turn this into a bet. 100 dollars to you if there is a cool gay dude in witcher 3.

EmperorZorn said:
Exactly.

Be glad that CDPR treats homosexual characters on an eye-level with other characters,
and doesn't touch them with velvet gloves (no pun intended).

They are treated just like other human beings, they go through the same crap
and that equality is the highest form of respect CDPR could give to them.
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The two least likeable characters in Witcher 2 are gay.
 
KingHochmeister

KingHochmeister

Forum veteran
#166
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
I'm just saying I'd be very surprised if Geralt can have homosexual relationships in Withcer 3 or if homosexuals are depicted differently than in Witcher 2. We could of course turn this into a bet. 100 dollars to you if there is a cool gay dude in witcher 3.
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Geralt was never homosexual, that's what his character is, not again with one of those discussions about "gender romance choices" in games especially with a Pre-defined character that was in 8 books prior to the games.

No offense to any homosexual, but Phillipa Eilhart (whom is a strong character in the witcher 2 and the books) is a lesbian and even though Dethmold (looks too much like a creepy pedo) he is interesting, at least to me, especially with his backstory.
 
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Kinley

Kinley

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#167
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
I'm just saying I'd be very surprised if Geralt can have homosexual relationships in Withcer 3
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That will never happen, for obvious reasons expressed in this thread and countless ones before it.

teenparty said:
if homosexuals are depicted differently than in Witcher 2.
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Pelase go into detail how you think homosexuals were depicted in W2. I'm curious.

teenparty said:
100 dollars to you if there is a cool gay dude in witcher 3.
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Define "cool". Dethmold was "cool", in his weaselly ways. Phillipa is still one of my favorite characters from W2.
 
sidspyker

sidspyker

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#168
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
I think the developers may have quite conservative views on sexuality and gender roles. I.E. the homosexual mage in Witcher 2.
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So because out of all the "bad"(it's grey but I have to use the word to explain) people in the game, 2 of them happened to be homosexual the devs have an agenda against homosexuality.....
:rly?:

teenparty said:
I'm just saying I'd be very surprised if Geralt can have homosexual relationships in Withcer 3 or if homosexuals are depicted differently than in Witcher 2. We could of course turn this into a bet. 100 dollars to you if there is a cool gay dude in witcher 3.



The two least likeable characters in Witcher 2 are gay.
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Well you can kill your first surprise cause Geralt is not a gay. There was never any hint what so ever that Phillipa's sexuality had anything to do with why she did what she did, what about all the others involved in the conspiracy? Surely they didn't do it BECAUSE they were straight or gay.
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#169
Jun 19, 2014
This thread still alive?
For the sake of fantasy equality freedom creativity, let's beyond everything.....

 
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Kinley

Kinley

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#170
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
The two least likeable characters in Witcher 2 are gay.
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Really... Well, in my opinion, Phillipa is among the top 5 characters from W2. And Dethmold is not far from them.
 
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Sagitarii

Sagitarii

Mentor
#171
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
I'm just saying I'd be very surprised if Geralt can have homosexual relationships in Withcer 3 or if homosexuals are depicted differently than in Witcher 2. We could of course turn this into a bet. 100 dollars to you if there is a cool gay dude in witcher 3.
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The two least likeable characters in Witcher 2 are gay.
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And Shilard and Henselt (which I liked less that Philipa and Dethmold) are heterosexual. My god CDPR hates heterosexual people.
 
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wichat

wichat

Mentor
#172
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
I think the developers may have quite conservative views on sexuality and gender roles. I.E. the homosexual mage in Witcher 2.
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Mmmmmmm no, here you better say

" the developers may have quite conservative views on sexuality and gender roles standing closer to Sapkowsi's defined characters"

You'll can say "the developers may have quite conservative views on sexuality and gender roles" if you find this disappointment in the next CP77, a game created from inexisting previous and pre-defined characters.
 
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teenparty

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#173
Jun 19, 2014
Sagitarii said:

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Are you implying that the inclusion of gay characters in Bioware games is thanks to EA?
 
EmperorZorn

EmperorZorn

Moderator
#174
Jun 19, 2014
Kinley said:
Really... Well, in my opinion, Phillipa is among the top 5 characters from W2. And Dethmold is not far from them.
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I completely agree.

To me Dethmold always was one of the most loyal characters in the Witcher.
Henselt trusted him more than any sorceress.
 
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Kinley

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#175
Jun 19, 2014
Sagitarii said:
And Shilard and Henselt (which I liked less that Philipa and Dethmold) are heterosexual. My god CDPR hates heterosexual people.
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They must have an agenda against straight people. Roche killed Henselt in one of my playthroughs, the evidence is there.
 
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Sagitarii

Sagitarii

Mentor
#176
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
Are you implying that the inclusion of gay characters in Bioware games is thanks to EA?
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It's just their logo, from the main website.
I think homosexual characters should be present in games - but it's not good to have them all be angels - like many mediums treat them. They are group like any other - some of them are scumbags, some of them are good.

And I don't want anything to be shoved in my throat, especially sexuality and religious matters.
 
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sidspyker

sidspyker

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#177
Jun 19, 2014
Sagitarii said:
And I don't want anything to be shoved in my throat, especially sexuality and religious matters.
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Ahem...

But basically what he said, just because they're homosexual does not change anything other than their sexual preference and as far as I know Philippa didn't conspire using her genitalia, at least in my playthroughs. And liking/disliking characters is personal preference, to you she may not be likeable but I really liked her character and how she played everyone like a damn fiddle.
 
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Azhriaz

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#178
Jun 19, 2014
teenparty said:
The two least likeable characters in Witcher 2 are gay.
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Henselt and Loredo are gay ? I didn't realise that... (these both characters are "least likeable" for me) ;)
And Philippa and Dethmold don't suffer because they are gay and they did not what they did because they are gay. Plus Dethmold is unspoiled in my playthrough 'cause I saved Triss. So what's your point ?
You reduce their complex characters to their sexualitiy - they don't deserve it !
 
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Senteria

Forum veteran
#179
Jun 19, 2014
Uhm guys, Ciri is bisexual and will play a huge role in TW 3. Also in the books she had a good relationship with the other girl. Forgot her name. (Was it Mistle?) So yeah, homosexuality is definately around in the witcher world, and yes they do get frowned upon in that world. Still, not every character with homosexual tendencies ends up dead.
 
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Sirnaq

Rookie
#180
Jun 19, 2014
Dethmold was cool character. He was an asshole but still it was well designed character. The thing i liked in him the most is that he wasn't defined by his sexuality. Hell we wouldn't even know that he is homosexual if not for going with roche in chapter 3. Im sure that there will be many cool characters in witcher 3, and honestly i hope that we won't be able to tell if they are homosexual or not, why would geralt be interested in their sexuality of other guys in the first place? He is not gay. I hate characters that scream: "HEY IM GAY AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING ABOUT ME THAT MATTER", i find it obnoxious and hope cdpr avoid it because i consider it bad writing. Homosexuals are normal people that happen to have different tastes in their sexual partners than heterosexual people, that's it. the problem is when they start to scream about it to your face for the sake of being pseudo progressive.
 
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