hope there's gonna be something done about skillige discard deck

[Lexandre]

hope there's gonna be something done about skillige discard deck

nope, the word "skellige" isnt misspelt in the title its just that deck is taking so much skill that you might as well always play cards in the same order and you will win anyway

the amount of pressure it creates by simply spamming discards and ending the game by flooding the field with medics and finishing with dimeritium bomb is disgusting

the core problem is of course dimeritium bomb

he strength of units in this game relies a lot on buffing them for all factions except skellige who instead have a bunch of bonuses for base strength of units, the last update that buffed the bomb to work against gold units and turned the attention on it simply flipped the role of that card and now instead of being a special card with specific uses its pretty much a skellige-themed version of ragh nar roog that kills all buffs on enemies while healing any damaged skellige units effectively being an extremely powerful finisher like commander's horn

there is also another problem: skellige has 2 spy units - birna and donar an hindar, while all other factions have only 1 spy unit, each spy unit generates 1 card advantage and that allows skellige to generate the necessary card advantage to get the last word in the match and finish with dimeritium bomb, also both skellige spies synergize extremely well with the discard theme

3rd issue is that discard deck rotates through the deck extremely fast, that means you will almost always have the cards you want to play while other decks have limited card draw options and end the game in the very best case with 7 out of 25 cards left in the deck skillige discard deck can easily end the game with only 2-3 cards out 25 remaining in their deck, that effectively reduces the deck size and lowers the RNG factor of card draw that other decks have to deal with

even the graveyard monster deck which used to have a favorable match up against skellige by stealing/eating clan tuirseach skirmishers from graveyard is struggling against the current discard deck simply because skellige has a huge choice of units to use from graveyard in the end of the match: queensguards, clan dimun pirates, clan tuirseach skirmishers - you cant steal/eat them all and finishing with grave hag of frightener just begs for you to get crushed by dimeritium bomb which is ran in basically every skillige deck nowadays

 

[cheeto101]

The card advantage with this deck is pretty hard to deal with if you arn't Sco, thats for darn sure.

 

[ladymacbeth94]

Skellige discard deck is not that hard to beat. I think I'm skilled enough with Skellige and I win about 60-70% of games. Is that much? Most of my opponents are control decks and it's pretty hard to beat them. The problem is that no other Skellige deck is competitive enough to be played against high tier decks. I've made this conclusion after collecting some statistics with different Skellige decks.

 

[Laveley]

Go all in first round against them. They will eventually loose the round and waste precious resources on the meantime. If you give up first around and pass early against them than its pretty much gg.

 

[Lexandre]

Skellige discard deck is not that hard to beat. I think I'm skilled enough with Skellige and I win about 60-70% of games. Is that much? Most of my opponents are control decks and it's pretty hard to beat them. The problem is that no other Skellige deck is competitive enough to be played against high tier decks. I've made this conclusion after collecting some statistics with different Skellige decks.

60-70% win rate is extremely much since ideally you are suppose to have 50% win rate

of course occasionally you will play against players who dont have proper decks and are less likely to win against you but if you say you are having such win rate against properly built control decks then its a lot

my personal record is having only around 20% win rate against skillige discard deck, i mostly play monster weather though

Go all in first round against them. They will eventually loose the round and waste precious resources on the meantime. If you give up first around and pass early against them than its pretty much gg.

going all in against them while they are preparing their discard/graveyard combo and stuffing my field with spies generating card advantage feels pretty bad and ends bad

 

[Laveley]

going all in against them while they are preparing their discard/graveyard combo and stuffing my field with spies generating card advantage feels pretty bad and ends bad

For them to generate ca they have to give you spies... and those pesky skellige spies are the strongest on the game. Also, they dont have their passive on the first round. If you give them the first round "for free" they can cook you on the second, giving you those spies (their strength really doesnt matter, they dont plan to win second round anyways), building ca and in the third it gets impossible to beat them with the medic chains, lugos, cerys, you name it.


Or you can always do what you are trying to do now and keep loosing to them. Your welcome.

 

[Fguri]

It's still annoying as hell to hear "Modron Freya is patient, but she brooks no insult" followed by "nuthin' like some overseas plunderin' in Springtime" (or "pansy") around 40,763 times during the game though, let's all agree on that.

 

[Laveley]

It's still annoying as hell to hear "Modron Freya is patient, but she brooks no insult" followed by "nuthin' like some overseas plunderin' in Springtime" (or "pansy") around 40,763 times during the game though, let's all agree on that.

Options -> settings -> audio -> voice volume -> 0

 

[Lexandre]

For them to generate ca they have to give you spies... and those pesky skellige spies are the strongest on the game. Also, they dont have their passive on the first round. If you give them the first round "for free" they can cook you on the second, giving you those spies (their strength really doesnt matter, they dont plan to win second round anyways), building ca and in the third it gets impossible to beat them with the medic chains, lugos, cerys, you name it.
Or you can always do what you are trying to do now and keep loosing to them. Your welcome.

didnt say im giving up the first round against them and just in case you still have an illusion that skillige discard is weak on the first round there are such cards like clan dimun pirate captain and war longship which force you to burn removals that you are badly going to need on round 3 or severely punish you for not drawing any removals

however continuing to play cards on round 1 while skellige player has 2 card advantage and im 20-30 unit strength ahead feels stupid and even then i cant risk to pass before the skellige player because he can win the round playing 1-2 cards and then i wont get the value of auto-include ciri and instead the skellige player will get the full value from their ciri further increasing the card advantage gap between us

 

[Fguri]

Options -> settings -> audio -> voice volume -> 0

But then how are you going to hear Geralt: Igni's "Any Last Words" as you play him last card on the last turn on the enemy's stacked front row and literally see half his board collapse? :|

 

[Laveley]

and just in case you still have an illusion that skillige discard is weak on the first round

Did i ever said they were weak on the first round?

But i will say you this: they are obviously weakest in the first round relatively to second and, specially, third, yes.

however continuing to play cards on round 1 while skellige player has 2 card advantage and im 20-30 unit strength ahead feels stupid and even then i cant risk to pass before the skellige player because he can win the round playing 1-2 cards and then i wont get the value of auto-include ciri and instead the skellige player will get the full value from their ciri further increasing the card advantage gap between us

Thats exactly why you should try to win first round no mater what. Against skelliege its worth even 2 or 3 ca to win first round. Second round you can cook them and make they loose their big end game bombs and/or recover ca with cards like ciri or you own spies.

Listen, i'm not here saying skellige discard is a weak. Its certainly one of the strongest build on the current metagame. I saying here that it is beatable and how you can beat it. Also, i severely recommend playing a control build against them so you can negate their ships/pirate captains too.

But then how are you going to hear Geralt: Igni's "Any Last Words" as you play him last card on the last turn on the enemy's stacked front row and literally see half his board collapse? :|

What can i say? You cant have it all :/

 

[Isi23_23]

Skellige discard is strong, but I did not think it needs nerf. Two strategies that need nerf are NR promoting Roach/Olgierd/Botchling and than Scoia that could play Decoy up to five times in single game - I play them both and they are really OP.

Also to anybody suggesting nerf some deck, I really recommend playing with it first. You will often find that this deck is only OP against your previous strategy and is just OK overall. And in CCG there will be always decks that are weak to some other strategy.

 

[Laveley]

Skellige discard is strong, but I did not think it needs nerf. Two strategies that need nerf are NR promoting Roach/Olgierd/Botchling and than Scoia that could play Decoy up to five times in single game - I play them both and they are really OP.

I already played all the three of them (discard, roach/oligerd and now scoia control)

judge me lol

i dont think neither of them are OP really though. They are just the more competitive builds atm.

 

[Isi23_23]

I already played all the three of them (discard, roach/oligerd and now scoia control)

judge me lol

i dont think neither of them are OP really though. They are just the more competitive builds atm.

That was not meant to you, but generally. From your posts I know you have inside in game, but many other people call for nerf before first trying play supposedly OP deck.

Also I still think that this two decks are currently too strong or do you know any better strategy at the moment? My problem with NR roach/olgierd is that you could win games even when oponent plays Weather / DBomb / Igni, if you are not too greedy. And countering Scoia when they could get 2-3 card advantage is really problematic. Especially it prevents me from playing other control decks because I don't how to beat Eithne + Aglais + Decoy with them.

 

[TheShift]

I think I played 10 games today.. I only won 4 I think..
Most were against skellige ..
What I found was..
A. If they don't counter my monsters deck in the first hand..
I build up on them... they rage quit...

B. If they kind of counter the first hand and I win it.. it's seemed to be a 50/50 chance I could win

C.if the countered the first hand... I stood no chance it seemed


Also... to the Rage quiters ...
Look deep...deep into my signature ...
Your eyes are getting heavy...so heavy...
Repeat after me...
I will not rage quit...I will stay and finish the game..
I will not rage quit ..I will stay and finish the game..

 

[Leprachauncoo2]

I never have a problem beating Skellige, especially discard decks that try to get a card advantage. Not sure if you guys just aren't very good at the game or dont put yourself in your opponents head but Skellige is the faction that I can just beat without really thinking. You know they are always going to save medics for last round so just find a way to counter that. It might be a more effective use of your time to think about what you're doing wrong instead of coming on here to complain.

 

[Cybershot]

I never have a problem beating Skellige, especially discard decks that try to get a card advantage. Not sure if you guys just aren't very good at the game or dont put yourself in your opponents head but Skellige is the faction that I can just beat without really thinking. You know they are always going to save medics for last round so just find a way to counter that. It might be a more effective use of your time to think about what you're doing wrong instead of coming on here to complain.

As a Skellige specialist, I would ask you to come and beat me "without thinking", since most of the assumptions here are flat wrong.
I love the deck beacuse it has more then one option.
Yes discard is a good option for Skellige, it is by no means the only one. My most successful deck at this time is a Skellige *weather* deck. I would post my decks at gwentdb, but for some reason I am having trouble cerating an account there, so I am attaching my decks.



Weather Nasty surprise for non-thinking promote and classic Skellige discard decks, also good against Monster weather since we're largely immune.
Current win-loss-draw 47-15-3, worst against Skelllige 6-7.

Destroy This is the fun deck. Regardng the first round discussion, just think you will see Borkh as the first card played in round 1. Good luck with owning that round.
42-26-4. worst against weather decks 11-12.

Zombie (discard) is actually my least played deck (boring). Stats are 20-9, worst aginst SCO 1-2, but little data to sample on.

Counter strategies: Bring your weather card and you clear sky. If monster, pass round 1 early and ghoul/griffin my graveyard. If SCO, I really hate ambush in my siege line, as it kills my priestess.
Is any of these OP? I do not think so. You just do not win without thinking, that's all.

 

[Cybershot]

I never have a problem beating Skellige, especially discard decks that try to get a card advantage. Not sure if you guys just aren't very good at the game or dont put yourself in your opponents head but Skellige is the faction that I can just beat without really thinking. You know they are always going to save medics for last round so just find a way to counter that. It might be a more effective use of your time to think about what you're doing wrong instead of coming on here to complain.

As a Skellige specialist, I would ask you to come and beat me "without thinking", since most of the assumptions here are flat wrong.
I love the deck beacuse it has more then one option.
Yes discard is a good option for Skellige, it is by no means the only one. My most successful deck at this time is a Skellige *weather* deck. I would post my decks at gwentdb, but for some reason I am having trouble cerating an account there, so I am attaching my decks.



Weather Nasty surprise for non-thinking promote and classic Skellige discard decks, also good against Monster weather since we're largely immune.
Current win-loss-draw 47-15-3, worst against Skelllige 6-7.

Destroy This is the fun deck. Regardng the first round discussion, just think you will see Borkh as the first card played in round 1. Good luck with owning that round.
42-26-4. worst against weather decks 11-12.

Zombie (discard) is actually my least played deck (boring). Stats are 20-9, worst aginst SCO 1-2, but little data to sample on.

Counter strategies: Bring your weather card and you clear sky. If monster, pass round 1 early and ghoul/griffin my graveyard. If SCO, I really hate ambush in my siege line, as it kills my priestess.
Is any of these OP? I do not think so. You just do not win without thinking, that's all.

 

[Cybershot]

I never have a problem beating Skellige, especially discard decks that try to get a card advantage. Not sure if you guys just aren't very good at the game or dont put yourself in your opponents head but Skellige is the faction that I can just beat without really thinking. You know they are always going to save medics for last round so just find a way to counter that. It might be a more effective use of your time to think about what you're doing wrong instead of coming on here to complain.

As a Skellige specialist, I would ask you to come and beat me "without thinking", since most of the assumptions here are flat wrong.
I love the deck beacuse it has more then one option.
Yes discard is a good option for Skellige, it is by no means the only one. My most successful deck at this time is a Skellige *weather* deck. I would post my decks at gwentdb, but for some reason I am having trouble cerating an account there, so I am attaching my decks.



Weather Nasty surprise for non-thinking promote and classic Skellige discard decks, also good against Monster weather since we're largely immune.
Current win-loss-draw 47-15-3, worst against Skelllige 6-7.

Destroy This is the fun deck. Regardng the first round discussion, just think you will see Borkh as the first card played in round 1. Good luck with owning that round.
42-26-4. worst against weather decks 11-12.

Zombie (discard) is actually my least played deck (boring). Stats are 20-9, worst aginst SCO 1-2, but little data to sample on.

Counter strategies: Bring your weather card and you clear sky. If monster, pass round 1 early and ghoul/griffin my graveyard. If SCO, I really hate ambush in my siege line, as it kills my priestess.
Is any of these OP? I do not think so. You just do not win without thinking, that's all.

 

[Cybershot]

Not sure what happened to the post, here is the weather deck