How does one counter the popular Brouver Dwarf deck?

[Sigurd_3]

How does one counter the popular Brouver Dwarf deck?

I have played against this deck type probably the most frequently out of all deck types for several days in a row now. Out of everything that I play against in ranked matches, this is easily the most difficult for me to win against. Before anyone asks, I am using Skellige (as I have now for many months). I switched a few weeks ago from Axemen to the Beast Master Skellige core. My strong tempo is far from being solely reliant on just Beast Masters, and yet ST's Brouver deck that I play against almost every other match is out scoring me so often. The following video is pretty much the exact copy going around in ranked matches of Brouver Dwarf decks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhPqRqwWu-0

I have been trying to get rank 20 with the last few days of the season, and I will get a win streak and then a losing streak that either nullifies my gains in MMR or lowers my MMR to below what I had before the winning streak. This is frustrating, and I will save my rant against the whole reward system of new character avatars for another topic (I can't believe they reward Letho, Foltest, and others for being in the top 1,000 players in future seasons let alone rank 20 avatar rewards being such a huge grind).

 

[Sigurd_3]

Well, after re-reading the topic about the grind to rank 20, apparently people have the mentality of if you can't beat them, join them. Looks like people are hopping on the ST bandwagon. I don't even have that option since I always mill ST cards since I need at least one faction to get scraps from all of the time, and it is ST since I have never had much interest in the faction nor do I now.

 

[KingPegasus]

Most of their bronze are worth 14 and silver about 16. Gold 20+ with good access to spy (multiple if lucky)... You just need a deck that can do better than that.. honestly though.. there is not a lot to exploit, the only potential weakness is they are a bit low on control option, so if you run snowball cards you may get it on a very long round. But they can always just pass early.

 

[iamthedave]

The answer is: Close the browser and stop playing Gwent. The dorf deck is basically flawless and has no mechanical weaknesses you can exploit and multiple unstoppable, OP plays. Only CDPR can stop this deck. I think only bears can come close to keeping up with its tempo or round 3 plays.

Actually, being more helpful, Henselt Machines legitimately gives it problems because it swarms so much.

 

[GenLiu]

Wait for the next patch I guess.
I think Witcher Alchemy has a favorable match up against it but I might be wrong.

To be honest this deck simply needs to be nerfed, in the current state there is not much you can do against it.
If nothing else the Ithlinne/Tremors combo wins pretty much every game single handed.

 

[TheTexen]

Consume beats the casino dwarves - easily. Not exaggerating either when i say 'easily', it really does beat the dwarves easily.

 

[iamthedave]

Alchemy has a decent game against it but it sets itself up for 20+ tremors plays over long rounds, the same as the others, plus dorfs swarms a little too much for it. Alchemy is at its best when those 10/11 pt viper witcher plays are legitimately knocking off 10 pts worth of unit, and then gets to resurrect them and do it again. It's not as effective when the opposing deck is sticking down multiple units every turn and isn't interacting. Same problem it has against bears, but at least there the vipers get full value every time, guaranteed.

 

[SoSaHer]

Henselt machines, shupe&elves, nekker consume... Axemane wheater.

 

[Khreygond]

Aim for a long round from which you profit. Served me well with Moonlight, and I usually win against dwarves unless I've got a bad draw. For example establishing moonlight on 2 of your rows and Fog on an enemy row passively gives you 6 STR per turn. Abuse that. It's the only way to match the tempo they gain. Also try to win the first round, and bleed them to death on the second. They have a powerful finisher in the form of Hattori -> Barclay Els -> Paulie Dahlberg -> STR 13 Dwarven Skirmisher. Using Henry Var Attre on Hattori can shut that down completely and make him even useless unless your opponent gets lucky with elven scouts into handbuffing units that boost him back up (for those who complain about reveal, no wonder why it's so popular these days)

 

[iamthedave]

Broadly, the advantage you have against dorfs is that they are mostly non-interactive, and just vomit points in the hope you can't keep up. Skellige Storm is very effective because they row stack enormously, and gold weather obviously works. The disadvantage you have is almost nothing can keep up with or slow down the points they spew. Consume can do it reliably, because nothing can equal consume if you don't step in and mess with them a little. Skellige weather can actually outpoint them because they stack so much and do so little counterplay that axemen reach absurd heights. Getting to round 3 quick is vital as axemen.

 

[orian34]

I play Nilfgaard Siege Army and these decks are pretty easy to beat. Because they don't disturb your strategy much, mangonels + Voohris and reveal units can just demolish their board easily. Add in var attre and fire scorpion and you're got an almost empty enemy board.

 

[Pruny]

I won with Dagon ancient foglets because in round2 hatori was bricked, fog dont kill agitators like frost.
:rage:

 

[CallMeHoot]

You don't counter it directly, because it's broken. At lower levels of play then sure, there are things that can beat it but at higher levels most players have teched in the appropriate counters to Nekker Consume, Axeman, etc, etc.

This has already been acknowledged by CDPR and Dorfs should be receiving a fairly heavy nerf come the next patch.

 

[Mancoon1980]

The deck takes no thought and has too many points to match tempo wise. I've only beaten it with decks that surprise the opponent even those are tough be cause they can boost iris which I use for quick points to catch up.

 

[Hannival]

You can try Mill but I don't know if you're worth more than a dworf player then. #feelsbadman

 

[Void_Singer]

The only hard counters are AoE or outpace it...

 

[DRK3]

So, yesterday i decided to try dwarves, after not touching them for months, way before this surge of popularity. The reason was because i got a sweet Premium Legendary Dwarf i didnt have, on a keg and i felt like i had to use him.

Didnt even use Ciri Nova, Paulie Dahlberg, Ithlinne Tremors, or other OP tactics the dorf deck resorts to. Even used Gaunter O'Dimm has a self-imposed handicap!

Result? Still won like 80% of the games, and found this deck barely requires a brain to be played, since thinking about the order of cards played is almost irrelevant, you just spam points to the board. A nerf is direly needed, even if it loses to some specific decks.

 

[gards]

So, yesterday i decided to try dwarves, after not touching them for months, way before this surge of popularity. The reason was because i got a sweet Premium Legendary Dwarf i didnt have, on a keg and i felt like i had to use him.

Didnt even use Ciri Nova, Paulie Dahlberg, Ithlinne Tremors, or other OP tactics the dorf deck resorts to. Even used Gaunter O'Dimm has a self-imposed handicap!

Result? Still won like 80% of the games, and found this deck barely requires a brain to be played, since thinking about the order of cards played is almost irrelevant, you just spam points to the board. A nerf is direly needed, even if it loses to some specific decks.

What deck? Please share. I know the "dorf" deck is gettin slagged off now... but that's only because most of you only played SK or NG before. You didn't see it's potential until last month. I've had ALL them cards for months (apart from the mid-winter patch ones) and they only account for two of them. Both Silver.

Zero sympathy for you NG/SK players that nerfed all the other cards. Long may the dwarfs reign!

 

[DRK3]

gards Im sorry, apparently i left you with the impression i was gonna keep using this deck, that i just criticized, just because i got easy wins. Im not.

I am indeed a main SK player, since the very beginning of Gwent, and never changed that through its ups and downs. And SC maybe the only faction that has had more "downtime" than SK, so it may seem fair it gets its share of the spotlight now.

But my goal is never to have my favourite faction on top, but to have the game well-balanced. And with my limited influence, the only way i can do that is to avoid using popular decks and strategies, so i doubt i contributed to said nerfs.

P.S.- and i do play ALL factions, not just one or two. With SC, i just happen to prefer elves.

 

[gards]

gards Im sorry, apparently i left you with the impression i was gonna keep using this deck, that i just criticized, just because i got easy wins. Im not.

I am indeed a main SK player, since the very beginning of Gwent, and never changed that through its ups and downs. And SC maybe the only faction that has had more "downtime" than SK, so it may seem fair it gets its share of the spotlight now.

But my goal is never to have my favourite faction on top, but to have the game well-balanced. And with my limited influence, the only way i can do that is to avoid using popular decks and strategies, so i doubt i contributed to said nerfs.

P.S.- and i do play ALL factions, not just one or two. With SC, i just happen to prefer elves.

It goes to show how bad a player I am when I already had 22 out of the 25 cards needed for the dorf deck haha

doh!