How to counter Scoia'tael do empty deck and escape Northern Realm PFI deck?

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rams142857;n7594210 said:
NR with PFI is not well-built already. It does not have scorch or Villentretenmerth and is check full of useless mardroemes (and let's not forget the other copies of PFI). What is he going to do with them, buff Baron??
Anyway, I don't really care about your point. I empirically checked, what happens when I meet PFI. Checked many times. Answer: PFI gets trampled upon, most of the time. And your opinion that PFI is unbeatable is just that, your opinion. If you cannot regularly beat them with the deck you use - change your deck, there are much more dangerous things out there than PFI.

NR has many other cards which can be used along PFIs. And again you do not read what other people write. I did not say PFI is unbeatable, it is just way too tedious to deal with for people.

So, "git gud" is your advice huh. Thanks for useless advice.

rams142857;n7594210 said:
My second hint is not situational at all - except if the situation is defined as 'the opponent deploys PFI at all'. Yes, PFI player who keeps all the infantries in his hand to the last plays of the game can avoid that...

Really, you have some nice jokes over there. Steal PFI with Udalryk! That means you have to draw it first...of course... Another useless advice which is highly situational.

rams142857;n7594210 said:
I'm not monsters specialist, but did you just say that griffons are only fantastic against NR, ST and Skellige, while against fellow monster player they are merely bronze 6+2+2 (any foglet you steal is one you have and he does not)? You poor guy, you, they gave you such useless cards...

Oh yeah, Foglets where the enemy can copy faster then you can steal :D Are you even serious? Your deck might not even run Foglets or you might not even have any weather card. But I believe your one-trick-pony decks can crush everything on their paths.

Regardless, I rest my case. Good for you that you found the eternal cure for such tedious decks.
 
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Ugralitan;n7594440 said:
NR has many other cards which can be used along PFIs. And again you do not read what other people write. I did not say PFI is unbeatable, it is just way too tedious to deal with for people.

So, "git gud" is your advice huh. Thanks for useless advice.

Really, you have some nice jokes over there. Steal PFI with Udalryk! That means you have to draw it first...of course... Another useless advice which is highly situational.

Oh yeah, Foglets where the enemy can copy faster then you can steal :D Are you even serious? Your deck might not even run Foglets or you might not even have any weather card. But I believe your one-trick-pony decks can crush everything on their paths.

Regardless, I rest my case. Good for you that you found the eternal cure for such tedious decks.

That's exactly the point: my deck (and any other reasonably good deck in the game) is not one-trick-pony. It's only script kiddies who play 'three skalds three mushrooms three longships' no-brainers (and when they meet some counter to their deck, they start another Nerf X thread on the forum). That's why nobody will give you a deck and say: play that, that and that, and you will win.

The good deck can do many different things against many different opponents. No 100% certainty, ever - it always depends on what you have in hand and what you think about your opponent's deck (which, after all, you do not know). It's the small but crushing tricks like 'you can steal PFI with Udalryk' - any single one of them you might not be able to pull out every time, but when you can, it makes a difference. It's the long-term strategies (you can fight for card advantage; you can create a huge skirmisher now that you are not afraid of frost, you can prepare some gigantic Harald,...). And the opponent is also preparing tricks and following strategies, and he tries to stop your plans, and you try to stop his, The more interactions between different cards you learn about (or discover on your own), the better deck-builder and player you will be. And the proper answer to somebody helping you with this task, for example telling you of ways in which you can make your opponent's plans more costly for him (hint A) or even turn your opponent's strength against himself (hint B), is not 'useless advice' but 'thank you'.

But you get a point for creativity: you are the first and hopefully only person in all the internets who ever complained that his opponent might not necessarily include foglets in his deck.
 
OwNeDUp;n7592630 said:
I'm not wrong i can beat skellige in round 1 with Scoiatael all day long they just can't keep up with 1st light chains thining deck and even if they win that round somehow ( aard + coral only way probably ) it wouldn't bother me because they still have at least8 cards in deck and i will have empty deck in round 2 if they leet me thin so im going to win anyway. The only way skellige can beat ST is to pass early and hope that u can win shroom / buff war with ocvist. Still it's very hard i didnt lose single match as Scoiatael between 2000 - 3500 mmr against skellige.
I'm consistently winning first round vs ST at 3100-3300 rating, so i can prove you wrong anytime, i'm not even using Ocvist mainly because it's extremely overpowered in SK decks and it's the most boring card ever created and i can tell you i'm not having troubles keeping up with ST's CA.



OwNeDUp;n7592630 said:
So basicly u are saying there's no counter to ST
Pretty much.

OwNeDUp;n7592630 said:
Nobody can make card advantage in this matchup ( except another ST or lucky ocvist skellige).
You're wrong again, SK can even without Ocvist, with right usage of your CA generators, Sigrdrifa and Restore. If you add Ocvist to the equation it's even easier. You just need the right cards, while they can pull it more consistently, but if you get them, even ST can't keep up in pair with your CA. And in case you're wondering, it's not too hard to get the cards with a properly built deck, you will get them more often than not.

OwNeDUp;n7592630 said:
The thing is that ST is OP and thats the fact they are dominating since november and it's not getting any better.
True.

OwNeDUp;n7592630 said:
Only counter right now as i said is monster buff deck abusing lack of hard removals in top ST deck but more and more ppl started using igni right now in ST so it's really hard matchup for monsters anyway.
False.

DEERCG;n7592880 said:
Wow, all your comment have a lot information here. Thank to you all.
You're welcome.

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rams142857;n7593270 said:
Totally untrue. Skellige, rank 12, of all opponents my best results are against ST (good thing that I meet them so often). And I don't even field Ocvist, too boring for my taste.
LOL, just said the same before reading your comment. I'm glad there's another high ranked SK player who understands SK bronze's potential.
 
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rams142857;n7594930 said:
But you get a point for creativity: you are the first and hopefully only person in all the internets who ever complained that his opponent might not necessarily include foglets in his deck.

Perhaps waiting till the game is actually balanced would be a better choice instead listening to useless advices. For your information, foglets...with a good chance throws Monster faction advantage into toilet.

For you I give just a :facepalm:
 
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Radovid Control and Monster Weather are the best ways to beat PFI. If you play Radovid and nothing but gold creatures (I run with Shani, Yen, Vern, and Triss, along with a couple Heavy Cavalry), then an Epidemic is as good as a Scorch. The early PFI resurrection isn't a problem because they and the Medic are both 3s, and on the same row. An opening hand of 4 in any combination Lacerate, Venom, Epidemic, will usually handle a PFI deck early. A Wild Hunt Weather Deck should be self explanatory.

I don't mind people who play PFI or ST Mercenary decks, to be honest. I win more than I lose. If the ST deck is Fireball Trap/Blue Mountain Commando, that can get frustrating if you don't have any big creatures. But you try to get one round, and then move on.
 
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