frbfree;n7833640 said:
#teamtriss :envy::yawn: :angry2::angry2::angry2::angry2:
Yeah #teamtriss FTW....
She is fine as is only change that maybe is needed to stop her form hitting multiple targets.
She is fine as is only change that maybe is needed to stop her form hitting multiple targets.
lomvicmarko;n7833970 said:
I agree. That could be a consideration and would reduce her (auto-include?) powerlevel for some control decks.
deal 1 damage to two enemy units with highest strength, ties are resolved randomly.
Taking away the ability to hit all targets of the same strength is not a good idea if you consider what yen con is supposed to do.
The point of the card is that she levels your opponents board, (originally it was the whole board), which lines up cards for scorch.
so i don't think you can alter this aspect of her without changing the design of the card in a drastic way.
tbh, I think she is alright at her current strength, 5 (not super keen that Radovid is the only 1 card answer for her vs NR).
she is a solid card, but not overly OP imo (and i am speaking as somebody who plays against her)
as long as you ensure only one target is hit every round, she then needs 7 turns to get the 12 value from a gold.
(which is quite easy to do)
The point of the card is that she levels your opponents board, (originally it was the whole board), which lines up cards for scorch.
so i don't think you can alter this aspect of her without changing the design of the card in a drastic way.
tbh, I think she is alright at her current strength, 5 (not super keen that Radovid is the only 1 card answer for her vs NR).
she is a solid card, but not overly OP imo (and i am speaking as somebody who plays against her)
as long as you ensure only one target is hit every round, she then needs 7 turns to get the 12 value from a gold.
(which is quite easy to do)
Lim3zer0 You have a point there it might make her too weak for a gold then, but maybe its worth testing out in any case.
Yennifer is a gold card. The expected value of a gold card is 12 power at least. I have been tracking the amount of value I gain each round when I play Yen and I think she is a balanced cards. On average I get 10.93 (98 round played) out of her. Considering the fact that you must carefully plan plays around her, I think she is just ok. You should plan outplay her by planning carefully and knowing when to concede the round. Also buffs help a lot.
I think limiting her to a maximum of 2 targets would still preserve her way of working but would reduce her incredible ability to line up units for "Scorch" or "Villentretenmerth".
I strongly feel that as a general effect in this game, whenever a card targeting the "strongest" or the "weakest" card in play has a choice between multiple options, the owner of the card should get to choose one of the legal targets rather than the effect targeting ALL available options. Not only is the current system incredibly confusing (and frustrating) to new players but it severely limits design space, hinders game balance and will cause a lot more issues further down the line than just the ones Yennifer is causing now.
Yen-Con got nerfed today. Not in all decks, but in most Monster and SK decks that featured her, because the nerf to Silver Weather cards now means people have to make room for RNR. In that aspect, Yen will come out of some decks, and will cost another gold card in others.
I still think Yen-Con is fine though.
I still think Yen-Con is fine though.
You may be able to reach a compromise between her design and how oppressive she can feel.
here are my suggestions for her ability.
that n value could be 2 or 3 tuns (depends how it would balance)
what this does is:
obviously cause her to proc less frequently so as to give a bit of breathing room so to speak. (gives you more opportunity to stagger your units)
however the ceiling/levelling effect is more powerful to compensate for this.
just FYI, it is necessary in this idea for her to do -2 and -1 respectively, so she still levels the board.
or the other idea I have is: (and TH3WITCH3R also)
This imposes a ceiling limit, that can be 3, or 4, maybe 5 strength. although i feel 4 is the magic number, that's more or less an educated guess right now.
Once the board is levelled down to 4 strength, any further is probably too much.
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Just some ideas here, but for now i think she is a good but no OP card.
here are my suggestions for her ability.
that n value could be 2 or 3 tuns (depends how it would balance)
what this does is:
obviously cause her to proc less frequently so as to give a bit of breathing room so to speak. (gives you more opportunity to stagger your units)
however the ceiling/levelling effect is more powerful to compensate for this.
just FYI, it is necessary in this idea for her to do -2 and -1 respectively, so she still levels the board.
or the other idea I have is: (and TH3WITCH3R also)
This imposes a ceiling limit, that can be 3, or 4, maybe 5 strength. although i feel 4 is the magic number, that's more or less an educated guess right now.
Once the board is levelled down to 4 strength, any further is probably too much.
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Just some ideas here, but for now i think she is a good but no OP card.
The strength of YenCon is that she lines up units for effects like "Scorch". If you give her a timer with amore severe effect it is even harder to play around her, because the owner of Yen can now work towards her hitting incredible hard.
A strength limitation "not over X" does not help at all. It makes her much weaker against control decks (which are the dominating decks right now) and helps other decks not at all.
I still think that limiting her effect to a max of two units (like RickMelethron suggested) seems to be the best idea to rebalance her powerlevel a bit.
A strength limitation "not over X" does not help at all. It makes her much weaker against control decks (which are the dominating decks right now) and helps other decks not at all.
I still think that limiting her effect to a max of two units (like RickMelethron suggested) seems to be the best idea to rebalance her powerlevel a bit.
Well, initially I thought she was OP af. Sadly, I had to add her to my Nilf for lack of any other gold option and to compete. I've said it before in another thread, having a high buffed unit almost completely negates her. Yes that leaves you vulnerable to scorching/removal or d-shackles but I was surprised at how easy she was made redundant.