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I have to commend CDPR for the Voodoo Boys

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futureishere

futureishere

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#21
Dec 23, 2020
I went for it because of her behaviour when in our conversation came out that Voodos basicly sentenced me to death twice and she didnt even feel sorry about that. And instead of at least saying sorry or something into this topic she started acting bossy and threaten me so there you go : karma.
 
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Alenheim

Alenheim

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#22
Dec 23, 2020
I still don't feel bad not siding with them. They think my V was what they call him? A term that was like a trash that you'll just toss after using it? They all got shotgun pellets to the face. :cool:
 
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EnderBeta

EnderBeta

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#23
Dec 23, 2020
demontune said:
see, i was so conflicted about blowing HER brains out. like it was patty who did the virus on my subnet. not bri-bri. Plus shes hot.
but i cant kill patty without killing bridge. so.... hands are tied
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She's the boss. Everything people do under her is her responsibility. They where all righteous kills.
 
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Hexipoo

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#24
Dec 23, 2020
EnderBeta said:
She's the boss. Everything people do under her is her responsibility. They where all righteous kills.
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Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun.
 
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PoppyRunner

PoppyRunner

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#25
Dec 23, 2020
Vodoo boys are rlly interesting too bad its just 1 mission and thats it you dont even get to know placide that much
 
Buckadoz

Buckadoz

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#26
Dec 23, 2020
EnderBeta said:
They where written in a interesting way. What I liked even more was
being able to draw my katana and run them all through after the leader of the group double crossed V after her underling just got done using V as a digital suicide bomber. It was very satisfying.
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The only moment of catharsis in the entire game, to be honest.
 
pantys

pantys

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#27
Dec 31, 2020
It sucks theres no Dominicans to come after them.
 
Mwatuangi

Mwatuangi

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#28
Jan 1, 2021
vindelanos said:
They did a really excellent job with that gang and subculture.

I'm super impressed.
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They did a terrible job and perpetuated caricatures of Caribbean culture and *my* religion.
 
Kra-ven

Kra-ven

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#29
Jan 1, 2021
Wasn't there backlash about how race-centric the Voodoo boys are? Tyger Claws too I thought.

I don't know how prominent it was I just know maybe 3 or 4 people that won't buy the game because it's "racist" but in reality I think they just don't have the 60 bucks or were never going to anyway.
 
vindelanos

vindelanos

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#30
Jan 2, 2021
Mwatuangi said:
They did a terrible job and perpetuated caricatures of Caribbean culture and *my* religion.
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The Voodoo Boys are a caricature. As are the Tyger Claws, The Scavs, The Valentinos, 6th Street, Arasaka, etc. As are modern day gangs very much caricatures of themselves.

That's the whole point. Nobody wants to play a game where the antagonist is Marcus Abraham, the mild mannered accountant of Haitian descent who goes home and watches Lizzy Wizzy every night while clipping his toenails.
 
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Dr_Sinister420

Dr_Sinister420

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Jan 2, 2021
Mwatuangi said:
They did a terrible job and perpetuated caricatures of Caribbean culture and *my* religion.
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You woke?
 
Mwatuangi

Mwatuangi

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#32
Jan 2, 2021
Dr_Sinister420 said:
You woke?
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No, I'm an actual practitioner of Vodou who found its representation atrocious.

vindelanos said:
The Voodoo Boys are a caricature. As are the Tyger Claws, The Scavs, The Valentinos, 6th Street, Arasaka, etc. As are modern day gangs very much caricatures of themselves.

That's the whole point. Nobody wants to play a game where the antagonist is Marcus Abraham, the mild mannered accountant of Haitian descent who goes home and watches Lizzy Wizzy every night while clipping his toenails.
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The *original* Voodoo Boys were a cultural commentary on appropriation, per Pondsmith himself - hence why they were overwhelmingly white. CDPR's version of the VDBs as Ayisyens(Haitians) was supposed to be a nuanced portrayal commenting on how the community was oppressed in NC, according to their interviews. Hence why the VDB moniker in their iteration was not a name they took on for themselves, but was given to them by outsiders. They're supposedly not practitioners, despite their interpretation being that the community was founded by a "caste" -lol - of houngans and manbos (the names given to priests and priestesses) from the religion, which is a weird premise in itself since it's a communal religion. In addition to this, a bunch of graffiti undeniably implied to be vèvès (vay-vays) litters their neighborhood, which are actually sacred religious symbols representing different Lwa rather than the randomly-designed scribbles their art team used. Even a symbol found during the BD leading to the Pacifica arc is supposed to be a vèvè, but it's just a heavily stylized and altered vèvè of one of the Brijits with a skull added to it and it's used again during a funeral meant to be taken seriously. There is even a Cyberpsycho killing people to get to "the Promised Land" because of some unnamed Lwa appearing to them during an episode, even though that is literally not how the religion works at all.

I don't expect them to get the intricacies perfect, but if you're going to include a culture as well as religion that has been shunned and discriminated against for centuries, you need to come correctly. Given how awesome them being Netrunners concerned for their community foremost is, it's a heavily-missed opportunity only worsened by the player not having any true chance to immerse themselves in their interpretation of the lore. (EDIT added a reply)
 
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Dr_Sinister420

Dr_Sinister420

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#33
Jan 2, 2021
Mwatuangi said:
No, I'm an actual practitioner of Vodou who found its representation atrocious.
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Well, it's just a game. You shouldn't be so thin skinned and easily offended by something that doesn't concern you or harm you in anyway
 
o0TapeDeck0o

o0TapeDeck0o

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#34
Jan 2, 2021
If there's one thing the Voodoo Boys succeeded at its providing me with good target practice.

After getting burned by Dex in the beginning, I damn sure wasn't about go through it again. Putting a round right between Brigitte's eyes felt damn good because I couldn't do it to Dex.​
 
Mwatuangi

Mwatuangi

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#35
Jan 2, 2021
Dr_Sinister420 said:
Well, it's just a game. You shouldn't be so thin skinned and easily offended by something that doesn't concern you or harm you in anyway
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I don't see how stating an opinion about an aspect of this game makes me thin-skinned, unless being thick-skinned means I have to unquestioningly accept whatever is presented to me.
 
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arcsirc

arcsirc

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#36
Jan 2, 2021
Dr_Sinister420 said:
Well, it's just a game. You shouldn't be so thin skinned and easily offended by something that doesn't concern you or harm you in anyway
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man's allowed to not like it, he gave his opinion in a thread about them, maybe don't be offended by that?
 
Dr_Sinister420

Dr_Sinister420

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#37
Jan 2, 2021
arcsirc said:
man's allowed to not like it, he gave his opinion in a thread about them, maybe don't be offended by that?
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Mwatuangi said:
I don't see how stating an opinion about an aspect of this game makes me thin-skinned, unless being thick-skinned means I have to unquestioningly accept whatever is presented to me.
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You didn't state an opinion, you stated a view point and brought religion into. It's a game. Get over it. The voodoo boys don't even represent what your even complaining about
 
Mwatuangi

Mwatuangi

Fresh user
#38
Jan 2, 2021
Dr_Sinister420 said:
You didn't state an opinion, you stated a view point and brought religion into. It's a game. Get over it. The voodoo boys don't even represent what your even complaining about
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The religion is literally depicted in the game, and I provided examples of this in my response. It's okay to disagree with me.
 
vindelanos

vindelanos

Forum regular
#39
Jan 2, 2021
Mwatuangi said:
The *original* Voodoo Boys were a cultural commentary on appropriation, per Pondsmith himself - hence why they were overwhelmingly white. CDPR's version of the VDBs as Ayisyens(Haitians) was supposed to be a nuanced portrayal commenting on how the community was oppressed in NC, according to their interviews. Hence why the VDB moniker in their iteration was not a name they took on for themselves, but was given to them by outsiders. They're supposedly not practitioners, despite their interpretation being that the community was founded by a "caste" -lol - of houngans and manbos (the names given to priests and priestesses) from the religion, which is a weird premise in itself since it's a communal religion. In addition to this, a bunch of graffiti undeniably implied to be vèvès (vay-vays) litters their neighborhood, which are actually sacred religious symbols representing different Lwa rather than the randomly-designed scribbles their art team used. Even a symbol found during the BD leading to the Pacifica arc is supposed to be a vèvè, but it's just a heavily stylized and altered vèvè of one of the Brijits with a skull added to it and it's used again during a funeral meant to be taken seriously. There is even a Cyberpsycho killing people to get to "the Promised Land" because of some unnamed Lwa appearing to them during an episode, even though that is literally not how the religion works at all.

I don't expect them to get the intricacies perfect, but if you're going to include a culture as well as religion that has been shunned and discriminated against for centuries, you need to come correctly. Given how awesome them being Netrunners concerned for their community foremost is, it's a heavily-missed opportunity only worsened by the player not having any true chance to immerse themselves in their interpretation of the lore. (EDIT added a reply)
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Have you ever read Count Zero?

Also, to expect that any religion in this setting has not been highly cannibalized and stylized to be fed back to the masses is unreasonable, in my opinion.
There is even a questline in the game where you...
nail a fucker to the cross because he want to share his salvation with the world.
 
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arcsirc

arcsirc

Forum regular
#40
Jan 2, 2021
Dr_Sinister420 said:
You didn't state an opinion, you stated a view point
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What are you saying here my dude?
 
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