Nudity is nudity in any case, it's not like the ESRB rates it differently depending on whether it is male or female.
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How does Neon Arcade find a lot of male romances, but Madqueen didn't? I'm wondering if you play as a gay male V they'll show more men? I think Madqueen romanced Judy as a female so maybe that was the reason why she didn't see so many men
So he does not say that. He there were a lot, in his opinion, male "side-romances" as in male escorts, but as for actual romances he did not find the male romances to be on par with the male romances.
I am so heavily disappointed by this. I was really hoping the game would be even the slightest bit progressive in this regard, but it looks like the cis, straight, white, male narrative won out at CDPR...
Yeah but I don't think he actively looked for male romances because he was trying to romance Judy lol. We need to hear from someone who started the game playing as a gay male V or straight female V... Because Madqueen romanced Judy lol.
The game looks like it would be great overall, but it would be disappointing and a legitimate reason for criticism if the game world was built entirely with a straight male V in mind.
I agree, especially after they took the effort to promise representation. Oh well, maybe ironically we'll finally have full equal representation in 2077...
Especially when we all know the real V is a gay man
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I'm fine with and even happy with an overall catering to heterosexual gamers. Still throw us homos a little meat. As the polling I've done suggests the demographics break down like this.
Primary gamer Straight Men making up about 50-70% of players for most games
Secondary Gamer Straight Females making up about 15-25% of players
Tertiary Gamers Gay men making up about 5-10% of gamers (or Gaymers)
Quaternary Gamers Lesbian Women making up to 5%
Quinary Gamers make up the rest.
While I've gathered this information by hosting polls over the years across several forums so really this information only comes from people posting on forums I'd wager it is pretty accurate overall.
Now with my group being at most 10% of a player base I can completely understand them not throwing a lot of man power our way, but between us and straight females I'd think there would be good cause for a little catering.
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Earlier today MQ mentioned that she tried to swoon a couple of men but none were interested in her character ( Her V is bi. ). If I recall, life paths and physical appearances have an affect on how the world interacts with you. So experiences will vary, some characters will find fewer opportunities to pair than others.
But really the issue MQ had was how transgendered and cis woman are sexually objectified while cis men aren't. The thing about THIS dystopian fiction is that it (Corpos, mostly and the Maelstrom). treats EVERYONE as a commodity. Moral and dignity are virtues that are no long valued and have been replaced with power and vanity. So it's odd to see the cis men treated with some decency as opposed to the other genders who are treated differently.
BUT, I haven't played the game myself so I'm just seeing it from someone else's perspective.
But really the issue MQ had was how transgendered and cis woman are sexually objectified while cis men aren't. The thing about THIS dystopian fiction is that it (Corpos, mostly and the Maelstrom). treats EVERYONE as a commodity. Moral and dignity are virtues that are no long valued and have been replaced with power and vanity. So it's odd to see the cis men treated with some decency as opposed to the other genders who are treated differently.
BUT, I haven't played the game myself so I'm just seeing it from someone else's perspective.
Perhaps if this is true you have to turn over a few rocks to find them!
I would be very excited if you can find some sort of hidden underground gay club! Now that would be awesome!
I feel like maybe you have to be actively looking for men to see it? And since Madqueen romanced Judy that may have affected her gameplay somehow. Also, she hasn't had THAT much time exploring the world (I don't think- dunno how many hours she has played) anyway I trust CDPR when they say there are equal amounts.
Especially when we all know the real V is a gay man
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I'm fine with and even happy with an overall catering to heterosexual gamers. Still throw us homos a little meat. As the polling I've done suggests the demographics break down like this.
I'm leaning toward female V at the moment, mostly because I preferred her voice acting in the bits we've seen so far. Not certain how I'll roleplay her as far as any romantic interests go yet...that depends on the characters she meets I suppose and whether there are any stand-outs that seem like they're more interesting than others.
But choice is important in any RPG and there plenty of gamers who see their V as a bi or gay man or a woman that is also into men to whatever degree. I would hope that their choice doesn't feel in any way shortchanged compared to those who have V as a straight man.
It also adds to replay value.
If there is some important male character that is interesting and is a romance option for male V, maybe that's the route I'd go on a second playthrough while checking out the Nomad or Corpo origin. (Street Kid for the 1st)
So far, I've been incredibly disappointed with what I've seen for men, and feel overlooked as a gay player.
After years of CDPR exclaiming equal sexualization/romanticization of men and women, it is frustrating to see the content pour out with obvious and blatant favoritism towards straight men with all the hyper sexualization of women in trailers, ads and clips.
Deep down, I kind of knew this would happen given CDPR's history with games and their leanings in "bro" vibes... but it still really sucks. As a studio, I feel they lack the diversity to cater appropriately, and this may even come off as a non-issue to them. Seriously, when looking through videos of possible romance options, the men were horrendously unattractive and sparked nothing in me. I wondered if there were any directors at CDPR who were into men at all and could understand this?? Because smite me.
Grey suit, or Mr. Jenkins, has serious daddy vibes, yes please, but that was about the only interest that got me perked- and the chances he can even get sexual, let alone with a male V, is low and certainly not confirmed.
I hate feeling like I *may* have to play a female V to really experience the romance side with a man the way I want. But it always ends up feeling void and meaningless if I am female character because it defeats the whole purpose of my desires as a gay player. These doubts take me back to 2009 all over again.
After years of CDPR exclaiming equal sexualization/romanticization of men and women, it is frustrating to see the content pour out with obvious and blatant favoritism towards straight men with all the hyper sexualization of women in trailers, ads and clips.
Deep down, I kind of knew this would happen given CDPR's history with games and their leanings in "bro" vibes... but it still really sucks. As a studio, I feel they lack the diversity to cater appropriately, and this may even come off as a non-issue to them. Seriously, when looking through videos of possible romance options, the men were horrendously unattractive and sparked nothing in me. I wondered if there were any directors at CDPR who were into men at all and could understand this?? Because smite me.
Grey suit, or Mr. Jenkins, has serious daddy vibes, yes please, but that was about the only interest that got me perked- and the chances he can even get sexual, let alone with a male V, is low and certainly not confirmed.
I hate feeling like I *may* have to play a female V to really experience the romance side with a man the way I want. But it always ends up feeling void and meaningless if I am female character because it defeats the whole purpose of my desires as a gay player. These doubts take me back to 2009 all over again.
I have no idea if that is what went on with CD Projekt Red, but there does seem to be this odd thing with a lot of straight men in general where they're unable to recognize what people who are attracted to men find attractive in men.
David Gaider spoke about it while discussing the development of Dragon Age: Origins. The artist(s) was told to make Alistair attractive because he was going to be a love interest for a female Warden, and when the artist presented what they had worked on Gaider said something like, "What is this? No.' The artist thought he looked cool but no one who was attracted to men would have found him so, so the artist had to come up with another design.
It's not that hard. Ask female or gay developers. Or google images of famous men that people often find attractive, and make a character whose appearance is somewhere in that ballpark.
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Actually it is a little harder than that. You don't want to copy and paste stereotypically attractive fellas. Take Kasuga in Yakuza Like a Dragon. Not necessarily the kind of fella you'd typically find attractive, but he is nice looking and what really draws me to him is his earnest personality. His wonderful facial expressions. His ability to tug at your heart strings. That story grabbed my heart and took it for a rollercoaster ride.
Now what is easy is to not make ugly guys. Not saying don't have them period, but when it comes to romancable fellas, strippers, or prostitute you want them to be few and far between.
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I hope Cyberpunk 2077 is EXACTLY like Witcher 3 in the romantic & sexual aspects only even MORE so.
I hope Cyberpunk 2077 is EXACTLY like Witcher 3 in the romantic & sexual aspects only even MORE so.
You make a good point.
Your post actually reminded me of Jackie. He's not necessarily the most attractive person around either, but I'd be willing to bet all the eddies that he'd be a popular LI if he was one, just because a lot of players are going to like his personality and banter with V.
The same thing went on with Garrus in the Mass Effect series. He's not even human but he was probably the second most popular love interest in the games just because people liked the character's personality and voice acting.
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