I was hoping the DLC story wasn't with Silverhand

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It's why I chose becoming an Engram beyond the Blackwall with Alt. It's immortality even if you are a digital ghost.
Don't forget Alt words...
"Beyond the Blackwall dangers lurks, it is no sanctuary. But it's better to be a free spirit shredded than to wither, trapped in a dying body"
Theoretically, yes in theory... :)
To be fair, Jackie's role is probably third in story importance. His shadow hangs over the game after his death far more than, say, Duncan.
Third... to be fair (at least, in my opinion), he's far behind the third place... I would place before Panam, Judy, Kerry, River, Goro even Alt, Misty, Viktor and Hanako... So definitly not a the third place :)
(I don't speak how V feel about him)
 
Don't forget Alt words...
"Beyond the Blackwall dangers lurks, it is no sanctuary. But it's better to be a free spirit shredded than to wither, trapped in a dying body"
Theoretically, yes in theory... :)

Third... to be fair (at least, in my opinion), he's far behind the third place... I would place before Panam, Judy, Kerry, River, Goro even Alt, Misty, Viktor and Hanako... So definitly not a the third place :)
(I don't speak how V feel about him)

Eh, the romances are all very short and Jackie has a pretty large role beforehand plus more if you count his funeral.
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but if I remember, they "confirmed" that Keanu really liked the character and because of that, they add more dialogue lines, more Johnny's appearances. So I suspect they "only" added dialogues in GIGs, during some quests but the "main" story didn't change or almost. So we have Keanu instead of Johnny with an unknow face...
But hey, as we say, if something goes wrong, it's always Johnny's fault :giggle:
Keanu was quite excited to be a part of the project, and who wouldn't? But at it's core, Keanu is an actor doing his job. He may have had some input into his character and probably did, but again, the same thing he would do on any other of his projects. I have nothing against Keanu, he had no idea (at the time) things would go the way they have. I just didn't expect to see him again...ummm, in this game I mean. :rolleyes:
 
Eh, the romances are all very short and Jackie has a pretty large role beforehand plus more if you count his funeral.
For me, he's "behind" because his "role" is only to lead story to the main plot from the intro, but that's just my point of view :)
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I just didn't expect to see him again...ummm, in this game I mean. :rolleyes:
Keep in mind that Johnny Silverhand is a character who appeared in each Cyberpunk edition or almost ;)
I don't know if it make sense in english, but as we say in France, he's part of the furniture* (or he's sold with).
*US version : "he's a part of the fixtures"
 
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For me, he's "behind" because his "role" is only to lead story to the main plot from the intro, but that's just my point of view :)
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Keep in mind that Johnny Silverhand is a character who appeared in each Cyberpunk edition or almost ;)
I don't know if it make sense in english, but as we say in France, he's part of the furniture* (or he's sold with).
*US version : "he's a part of the fixtures"
I have to plead complete ignorance of the 'Cyberpunk' genera, until I heard of this game I really had no idea what cyberpunk was, let alone Johnny Silverhand. If he is part of the 'fixtures'(?)...it's time for a remodel. LOL!!! :shrug:

But thanks for the info, I really had no idea. Good to know.
 
Weeeell, I have a sneaking suspicion, that the game experienced some sort of re-write - and perhaps not in a small way due to being able to get Keanu on board.
Actually, suspicion? Scratch that, I remember devs outright confirming, that Silverhand's part was largely increased after they managed to get a famous actor on board. Of course, they won't explicitly admit that that was the reason they weren't able to finish everything in time - and perhaps it really wasn't. But still.
It took another 2 years to enhance and improve things in the game and make more players happy. CDPR decided to not implement some stuff for old gen consoles and to move to UE5. It is obvious that they faced a lot of technical issues. I'm surprised that people still blame Johnny/Keanu.
 
Night City Holocaust is not CDPR's invention.
I never said it was. They did change it significantly, however - to a point of cutting out a major character all together.
Calling Jackie "significant story character" is... debatable. He's introductory character (like Gorion in BG or Duncan in DA:O) that bites the dust and then the game truly begins.
This is correct.
What did Cyberpunk's demo say about the story that is significant? That there's gonna be the heist? Anything else?
Why do you think that Ciri's name was kept hidden for so long during TW3's marketing? Wild Hunt wasn't. Vesemir wasn't.
Me: "The first mention of Silverhand in a gameplay demo of 2018 implies that his role in the story was significantly different".
You: "But they didn't mention Ciri during Witcher marketing"
Me: "Her absence in some short trailers doesn't contradict her involvement in an overall story, this mention of Silverhand does"
You: "But they didn't mention her anyway, how do you explain that?"
Come on, I know you understand what I mean.
 
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Just a small correction on Ciri not being mentioned early on in the marketing campaign, The Witcher 3 was officially revealed with this image:



So, fans knew immediately that she would be in the game.
 

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Me: "The first mention of Silverhand in a gameplay demo of 2018 implies that his role in the story was significantly different".
Me: It implied that Silverhand's fate after NC Holocaust is significantly different in the demo than in the actual game, yes. His role in the story? No. It was only a passing mention on the radio and, at the time, it wasn't even a a solid evidence that he's going to make any appearance in the game.
Also me: Demo is not the unedited excerpt from the actual game. It almost never, ever is. Devs are making tweaks and adjustments so that the audience can see what they're comfortable with showing and vice versa. Providing context, avoiding spoilers, keeping some surprises for later...
If their goal was only to tease his name and reveal more once they have voice actor for Johnny (the most important character in the game after V), then their actions make sense.
So, fans knew immediately that she would be in the game.
Yeah, book fans knew it all along.
Any book fan knew that her appearance is all but guaranteed after TW2's ending.
Can anyone else be reasonably expected to guess the identity of the person beside Geralt? Even those people who played TW1 and 2? My guess would be "no".
To ~95% of the audience, this reveal came at E3 2014.
 
I was shocked to see Keanu still a part of things. I thought maybe he'd run after all the stuff that has happened. That segment about the DLC in general really threw me off because I thought I had a better idea of what to expect. But I'm pleasantly surprised, even though I'm not a fan of Johnny, Keanu is so likeable, lol!
 
His role in the story? No.+
Actually, no, this could drastically change his role. At the very least, it should drastically change his personality, considering that he should be 80+ years old by the time the game starts. But it would also affect his relationships with other characters (Rouge, Kerry, etc.), his conflicts - and most importantly, circumstances of becoming an engram in a first place.
Even character interactions between V and Johnny should've been different, considering that he could've been V's childhood hero, according to character creation.
Also me: Demo is not the unedited excerpt from the actual game. It almost never, ever is. Devs are making tweaks and adjustments so that the audience can see what they're comfortable with showing and vice versa. Providing context, avoiding spoilers, keeping some surprises for later...
Good thing it's not a binary state, is it? You don't have either "literally the same" or "absolutely different".
If their goal was only to tease his name and reveal more once they have voice actor for Johnny (the most important character in the game after V), then their actions make sense.
1) Not having a voice actor for "the most important character after literal protagonist" by the point when your game is supposedly playable from start to finish is very suspicious;
2) Like I already said, nothing stopped them from name dropping him in a way that wouldn't contradict the story and wouldn't spoil anything at the same time. It's CDPR, they are usually very attentive to things like this. There is absolutely no reason why would they place this voice-line the way they did, unless by that stage, something was very different.
 
If their goal was only to tease his name and reveal more once they have voice actor for Johnny (the most important character in the game after V), then their actions make sense.
(Could be quite easy to find) but if I remember, at some point, CDPR said to Mike Pondsmith that they "find" a voice actor for Johnny Silverhand but they couldn't/wouldn't tell him who for now, but they found one.
I could be wrong, but for me, it means that Johnny Silverhand "role" and his implication in main story was already almost fully determined and written... (so way before to "hire" Keanu)
 

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Actually, no, this could drastically change his role. At the very least, it should drastically change his personality, considering that he should be 80+ years old by the time the game starts. But it would also affect his relationships with other characters (Rouge, Kerry, etc.), his conflicts - and most importantly, circumstances of becoming an engram in a first place.
Even character interactions between V and Johnny should've been different, considering that he could've been V's childhood hero, according to character creation.
Yeah, it would.
IF their intention was for Johnny to survive into 2070's. What I'm trying to say is that this line from the demo is not conclusive evidence that this was ever their plan. That there ever was a story for CP2077 where Johnny's fate was as the demo said it is.
 
What I'm trying to say is that this line from the demo is not conclusive evidence that this was ever their plan.
One line of dialogue? Oh, absolutely, it would be peak conspiracy-brain of me to draw some elaborate scheme from one line.
Instead, let's look at the timeline.
1) 2018 trailer and demo, nobody knows anything concrete, some are furious that a cyberpunk story is not permanently bisexually lit, everyone anticipates the game;
2) 2019, wholesome Keanu chungus trailer drops, everyone loses their minds;
After that, suddenly:
3) It's revealed, that Johnny's part has doubled in size;
4) That the game will be shorter than Witcher 3 (twice as short, as it turns out);
5) On release the game has... a number of problems and clearly a significant amount of removed content, including story lines of side characters - and even some moderate traces of it in the main story itself.

Now, when you have all of this - and then go back to the 2018 gameplay demo and hear The Line™ - what can you reasonably assume? That everything went as it supposed to go or that the direction of game was suddenly changed in the middle of it's dev cycle? And that this changes included the increased role of Johnny Silverhand, in part due to the fact that he is played by famous and beloved actor?
 
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3) It's revealed, that Johnny's part has doubled in size;
No, the Italian voice actor for Johnny had said that "his workload has effectively been doubled due to Reeves' enthusiasm for appearing in the project".
Meaning the total number of lines character of Johnny SIlverhand has in the game. Not his role.
So, in order to achieve this, CDPR had either:
A) completely overwrote the existing plot where Hollywood superstar was supposed to play the role of a relatively minor character; plus this character's writing was apparently so impressive that Hollywood superstar asked for game's writers to add more lines of dialogue for the character he was playing
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B) increased the frequency of Johnny's comments during gigs and sidequests
Which one is more economic solution? :think:
4) That the game will be shorter than Witcher 3 (twice as short, as it turns out);
Quality > quantity. Last 8 - 12 hours of TW3 (everything after the battle of Kaer Morhen) are hardly something to be proud of. :shrug:
clearly a significant number of removed content, including story lines of side characters - and even some moderate traces of it in the main story itself.
Such as...
 
Which one is more economic solution? :think:
The one that bloats the overall budget to over 300 million dollars, I presume.
Quality > quantity. Last 8 - 12 hours of TW3 (everything after the battle of Kaer Morhen) are hardly something to be proud of. :shrug:
Subjective.
I clearly wouldn't say that there is SUCH a leap forward in quality between games - if any.
Such as...
I can't be bothered to list everything I think was cut, but here are some things:
Meredith Stout.
Panam being the only side character with a well integrated quest chain.
Kerry being so irrelevant, that you can cut him out completely without losing anything.
Perales quest line (which supposedly was planned to be this way, but I don't buy it).
And I've only listed story beats - the fact that Pacifica is barely used or casino, mentioned below, etc.
 
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So? Maybe Silverhands Role in the Story was increased because of Keanu, but maybe not. I would imagine it had some impact, but not that much. Besides that I'm one of those People who enjoyed Johnny and the interactions with him. So, I'm glad to see him back.

And what's with this ominous Quote from the 18/19 Demo you Guys refering to? The "Johnny can be your Ally or your Enemy" Quote? Sounds not substantial enough for me to implify a major change in direction.
 
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