I will not buy a Witcher 3 because...

[pokemone]

I will not buy a Witcher 3 because...

Hello quys!

I will not buy a Witcher 3, because...

1. game requires a closed technology CUDA for more effects, it not works on AMD GPUs
2. game requires a closed technology PhysX for more effects, it not works on AMD GPUs

These facts show that the Wither 3 Developers are killing users AMD GPUs. This is completely the wrong approach. Very ugly. FAIL.

 

[GuyNwah]

Please do not spread FUD.

PhysX is not closed technology and does not require an nVidia GPU.

The game is not stated to require CUDA. Please cite a source rather than making unsupported claims.

Neither CDPR nor anybody else has any intention of excluding users of AMD GPUs.

Maybe your effort would be better directed into persuading AMD to offer some non-zero amount of support.

 

[cmdr_silverbolt]

Hey, welcome, sorry you feel left out.

But read the rest of the comments

 

[Username.]

Hello quys!

I will not buy a Witcher 3, because...

1. game requires a closed technology CUDA for more effects, it not works on AMD GPUs
2. game requires a closed technology PhysX for more effects, it not works on AMD GPUs

These facts show that the Wither 3 Developers are killing users AMD GPUs. This is completely the wrong approach. Very ugly. FAIL.

Citation needed.

 

[gregski]

These facts show that the Wither 3 Developers are killing users AMD GPUs. This is completely the wrong approach. Very ugly. FAIL.

If the FUD you're spreading is true, they should also drop developing TW3 for next-gen consoles, as they will be running on AMD APUs.

 

[ApuLunas.211]

Hello quys!

I will not buy a Witcher 3, because...

1. game requires a closed technology CUDA for more effects, it not works on AMD GPUs
2. game requires a closed technology PhysX for more effects, it not works on AMD GPUs

These facts show that the Wither 3 Developers are killing users AMD GPUs. This is completely the wrong approach. Very ugly. FAIL.

dude, next gen consoles will be amd cpu & gpu, if devs don't support amd stuff effectively, it will be a commercial suicide.

 

[Sirnaq]

Good, i'd rather witcher community to stay as it is, nothing of value was lost.

 

[pokemone]

PhysX is not closed technology and does not require an nVidia GPU.

But NVIDIA's slide said, that Wither 3 has PhysX GPU support only. Is not PhysX APEX for CPU.
PhysX GPU require a nVidia GPU only. It not works on AMD GPUs.

And this game also requires a NVIDIA's TXAA. It not works on AMD GPUs.

Maybe your effort would be better directed into persuading AMD to offer some non-zero amount of support.

TressFX Physics by AMD in Tomb Raider and PecksFX Physics in BF4 works as well on NVIDIA GPUs and AMD GPUs. Physics by AMD based on DirectCompute. Why the Wither 3 Developers have not turned to AMD about DirectCompute physics for all GPUs? And why TXAA only, which will not run on AMD GPUs?

 

[Aver]

Well, if The Witcher 3 would offer better experience on one type of graphics cards, like more advanced physics and effects, then I would be really disappointed too. I really hate that AMD and nVidia use exclusive game optimizations in their war for PC market. It only hurts customers and PC platform.

But CDProjekt is known for their customer friendly approach, so I doubt that they would do something that is so consumer unfriendly.

Maybe your effort would be better directed into persuading AMD to offer some non-zero amount of support.

Well, both Take Two and Square Enix praise AMD for their support, so I doubt that problem is on their side.

 

[Sirnaq]

I am pretty sure you will would be able to play witcher 3 on amd gpu just fine. But you are not going to play it now, do you?

 

[GuyNwah]

But NVIDIA's slide said, that Wither 3 has PhysX GPU support only. Is not PhysX APEX for CPU.
PhysX GPU require a nVidia GPU only. It not works on AMD GPUs.

And this game also requires a NVIDIA's TXAA. It not works on AMD GPUs.



TressFX Physics by AMD in Tomb Raider and PecksFX Physics in BF4 works as well on NVIDIA GPUs and AMD GPUs. Physics by AMD based on DirectCompute. Why the Wither 3 Developers have not turned to AMD about DirectCompute physics for all GPUs? And why TXAA only, which will not run on AMD GPUs?

You are turning announcements of support for technologies into FUD.

Nothing about that slide said Witcher 3 requires GPU PhysX or TXAA to run.

I have said this repeatedly. CDPR works with nVidia to develop games because nVidia takes the time, trouble, and expense to work with them. Nobody develops anything as complex as a AAA game in a vacuum. You must play ball with a number of other vendors to make it work at all. It is not nVidia's fault that they have provided good support to CDPR, or CDPR's fault to have worked with the vendors that have provided them support.

In the meantime, nobody has given any evidence whatsoever that the game will not perform well on AMD GPUs. Indeed, the fact that two of the lead platforms for the game are AMD consoles is evidence against such claims.

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

I have AMD card and as sad as I am when I can't use PhysX features, I understand and I still enjoyed the games even when the physics are not that great. As Guy said, Nvidia has a stronger support both for devs and customers, it's not such a hard thing to understand why devs enjoy working with them more.

However all my trusts are on CDPR to do all what they can to benefit us all!

 

[daddy300]

I don't really care I hope it will look equally good on PS4 as on PC. I will probably get both versions sooner or later anyway.

 

[Marsep]

Well I have NVidia, but I am sure the specs of my PC are inferior overall. I still hope I would be able to play it... Pls, CD Projekt RED, optimize this game!
I will buy a copy for every platform.
One for my PC (even if I cannot run it). The PS4 version will be a gift for my brother... and also myself, in case I cannot play it as I would on my favorite platform (PC). Xbox One version goes to a friend of mine. CD Projekt RED is the only company that deserves this special treatment and The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt definitely is a Must Have.

 

[Aver]

I have AMD card and as sad as I am when I can't use PhysX features, I understand and I still enjoyed the games even when the physics are not that great. As Guy said, Nvidia has a stronger support both for devs and customers, it's not such a hard thing to understand why devs enjoy working with them more.

However all my trusts are on CDPR to do all what they can to benefit us all!

Look at how many developers are partnered with AMD and how many with nVidia. There are at least two times more developers that work with AMD (it seems that bribing developers is now main strategy of AMD on PC). Both AMD and nVidia provides heavy support for their partners, but obviously they are not doing it for free. In exchange for support developers agree to implement exclusive functions and focus optimization on one brand of graphics cards.

It is straightforward bribery that only damage PC platform. What will think console players that think about switching to PC when they hear from EA that Battlefield 4 will be exclusively optimized for AMD cards and then they hear that TW3 will has exclusive effects for nVidia cards owners? That no matter what hardware they will buy, they will have some sort of problems. If they buy AMD they will have poor performance in Metro, if they buy nVidia they will have poor performance in BF4 or TR. How sick and stupid is that?

Devs should never allow exclusive functions or exclusive optimization in their games. If they do, then they care more about corporate partners than on their fans and customers. It's ok to put logo of partner in their game, but nothing more (like it was in TW2).

 

[jerf.674]

But NVIDIA's slide said, that Wither 3 has PhysX GPU support only. Is not PhysX APEX for CPU.
PhysX GPU require a nVidia GPU only. It not works on AMD GPUs.

And this game also requires a NVIDIA's TXAA. It not works on AMD GPUs.



TressFX Physics by AMD in Tomb Raider and PecksFX Physics in BF4 works as well on NVIDIA GPUs and AMD GPUs. Physics by AMD based on DirectCompute. Why the Wither 3 Developers have not turned to AMD about DirectCompute physics for all GPUs? And why TXAA only, which will not run on AMD GPUs?

These slides do not state that the Witcher 3 will REQUIRE PhysX or TXAA. They merely say thet it will SUPPORT these technologies. It's a huge difference. This means that if you have an AMD GPU, you will be able to fully enjoy the game. If, on the other hand, you have an Nvidia one, well, you're a bit more lucky meaning merely that you'll be able to see a few extra graphical bells & whistles. So please don't spread unjustified panic.

 

[Demut]

Devs should never allow exclusive functions or exclusive optimization in their games. If they do, then they care more about corporate partners than on their fans and customers. It's ok to put logo of partner in their game, but nothing more (like it was in TW2).

Bravo.

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

Look at how many developers are partnered with AMD and how many with nVidia. There are at least two times more developers that work with AMD (it seems that bribing developers is now main strategy of AMD on PC). Both AMD and nVidia provides heavy support for their partners, but obviously they are not doing it for free. In exchange for support developers agree to implement exclusive functions and focus optimization on one brand of graphics cards.

It is straightforward bribery that only damage PC platform. What will think console players that think about switching to PC when they hear from EA that Battlefield 4 will be exclusively optimized for AMD cards and then they hear that TW3 will has exclusive effects for nVidia cards owners? That no matter what hardware they will buy, they will have some sort of problems. If they buy AMD they will have poor performance in Metro, if they buy nVidia they will have poor performance in BF4 or TR. How sick and stupid is that?

Devs should never allow exclusive functions or exclusive optimization in their games. If they do, then they care more about corporate partners than on their fans and customers. It's ok to put logo of partner in their game, but nothing more (like it was in TW2).

I agree with what you said that devs should not use exclusive functions or optimizations, that's why i said "However.." in my last sentence. I am not happy with that either, but my point is aside from that I believe CDPR will do what they can to make the game enjoyable for both sides, for example tons of updates over the years, endless support that will optimize the game no matter what brands the gpu are. I can live with software physics as long as it's done right and optimized.

 

[jerf.674]

Look at how many developers are partnered with AMD and how many with nVidia. There are at least two times more developers that work with AMD (it seems that bribing developers is now main strategy of AMD on PC). Both AMD and nVidia provides heavy support for their partners, but obviously they are not doing it for free. In exchange for support developers agree to implement exclusive functions and focus optimization on one brand of graphics cards.

It is straightforward bribery that only damage PC platform. What will think console players that think about switching to PC when they hear from EA that Battlefield 4 will be exclusively optimized for AMD cards and then they hear that TW3 will has exclusive effects for nVidia cards owners? That no matter what hardware they will buy, they will have some sort of problems. If they buy AMD they will have poor performance in Metro, if they buy nVidia they will have poor performance in BF4 or TR. How sick and stupid is that?

Devs should never allow exclusive functions or exclusive optimization in their games. If they do, then they care more about corporate partners than on their fans and customers. It's ok to put logo of partner in their game, but nothing more (like it was in TW2).

Please take into account the fact that there are no real alternatives to the technologies in question. Even the latest version of Havok is considerably inferior to full GPU PhysX capabilities, and there is no implemantaion of TXAA other than Nvidia's one. So it's either nobody would have these particular graphical bells & whistles, or Nvidia users would. Since Nvidia users currently form a majority among PC gamers, it's a very reasonable decision to try to support these technologies, provided it won't take too much programmers' time. And because Nvidia provides their programmers to do most of the job, this condition is satisfied.
So I don't see any reason to be mad at CDPR whatsoever.

 

[pokemone]

These slides do not state that the Witcher 3 will REQUIRE PhysX or TXAA. They merely say thet it will SUPPORT these technologies. It's a huge difference. This means that if you have an AMD GPU, you will be able to fully enjoy the game. If, on the other hand, you have an Nvidia one, well, you're a bit more lucky meaning merely that you'll be able to see a few extra graphical bells & whistles. So please don't spread unjustified panic.

But if I see the word "support TXAA", this mode should work on any GPU. And any buyer doesn't has to know what some features designed for one GPU, because 90% do not know the graphics features. Otherwise, any ignorant man suddenly enter TXAA or PhysX GPU of the game, the game will show him the message about the need for a other GPU. And he'll go buy other graphics card. This is not fair play with the buyers.