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"I'll say it agaaaineeee." Please, no more "luck" based achievements.

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GamaH

Senior user
#1
Jun 9, 2014
"I'll say it agaaaineeee." Please, no more "luck" based achievements.

POKER! was one of the worst achievements I've ever had the displeasure of having to unlock.

As I type this, I am still trying to unlock the Steam achievement.
 
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caspartine

Rookie
#2
Jun 9, 2014
Not sure if barking on the right tree ( I take it you refer to steam achievements)

Personal opinion - couldn't care less. There's nothing more annoying and immersion breaking than ridiculous achievement popping up in your gameplay. That¨s why I never linked my Wicther games to steam.
 
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GamaH

Senior user
#3
Jun 9, 2014
caspartine said:
Not sure if barking on the right tree ( I take it you refer to steam achievements)

Personal opinion - couldn't care less. There's nothing more annoying and immersion breaking than ridiculous achievement popping up in your gameplay. That¨s why I never linked my Wicther games to steam.
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I spent a really long time unlocking the achievement on the 360, and after all this time, I've yet to unlock the Steam equivalent.
 
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Arius87

Senior user
#4
Jun 9, 2014
Me either. I'm not interested in them at all.
 
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GamaH

Senior user
#5
Jun 9, 2014
Dystopia90 said:
Me either. I'm not interested in them at all.
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It's fine if a game has no achievements, but when it does (which is the case here, at least 3 out of 4 mediums [PS, Xbox, Steam]), it's annoying when you have one last achievement that's practically impossible to get consistently.
 
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Arius87

Senior user
#6
Jun 9, 2014
High King said:
It's fine if a game has no achievements, but when it does (which is the case here, at least 3 out of 4 mediums [PS, Xbox, Steam]), it's annoying when you have one last achievement that's practically impossible to get consistently.
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I understand your point. If I love a game I look up the achievements as well and sometimes even try to get them.
But the thing is that they don't add anything to the game experince.
 
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GamaH

Senior user
#7
Jun 9, 2014
Dystopia90 said:
I understand your point. If I love a game I look up the achievements as well and sometimes even try to get them.
But the thing is that they don't add anything to the game experince.
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They don't, which is why I'm not asking for there to be achievements; I'm asking for there not to be stupid luck based ones like Poker!, since they're going to be in either way, for 3 out of 4 of the game platforms.
 
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Aegis_Kleais

Rookie
#8
Jun 9, 2014
High King said:
POKER! was one of the worst achievements I've ever had the displeasure of having to unlock.

As I type this, I am still trying to unlock the Steam achievement.
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Any game that simulates die-throw is, in and of itself, a game of chance, and as long as you recognize the repeated chance for failure, then at least you won't be blind-sided by that. But you should understand that just because you didn't find it entertaining, doesn't mean that others did not; and ultimately no one's opinion on the matter trumps another.

Personally, I have no desire to unlock "achievements". They are achievements in name only, and I never understood their function in a game. They seemingly acted as some form of back-patting for users who enjoyed that, often tasking the person with either completing an act that eventually was going to become an eventuality regardless, or to extraneously works towards an out of the way goal to gain little more than the recognition of having done so. But again; to each his own. If that floats your boat, more power to ya.

Oh, and I'm of the belief "If I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all." In my life, there has been a statistical impossibility ever-present when I am given the best odds in a problem (50/50). Almost invariably, I choose the wrong option. And when I say statistical impossibility, I mean that I choose wrong a good 90% or more of the time; no where NEAR the 50% marker. So I keep myself from games of chance at any opportunity.
 
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StaGiors

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#9
Jun 9, 2014
Aegis_Kleais said:
Oh, and I'm of the belief "If I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all." In my life, there has been a statistical impossibility ever-present when I am given the best odds in a problem (50/50). Almost invariably, I choose the wrong option. And when I say statistical impossibility, I mean that I choose wrong a good 90% or more of the time; no where NEAR the 50% marker. So I keep myself from games of chance at any opportunity.
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Is this a covered up Albert King reference? Color me impressed.
It certainly felt the same way to me, while playing poker dice in the witcher 2. Even more than 90% I would say :p.
Poker dice in TW1 was kind of easier, I do not quite know why. And since it was a quest in both games, I felt like I had to finish it.
So all in all, enhanced poker dice winning chances in TW1 (supposedly), was fun, while in TW2 not so much, since I was losing way more times than I was winning, which translates to wasting time reloading the game.
 
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GamaH

Senior user
#10
Jun 9, 2014
Aegis_Kleais said:
Personally, I have no desire to unlock "achievements". They are achievements in name only, and I never understood their function in a game. They seemingly acted as some form of back-patting for users who enjoyed that, often tasking the person with either completing an act that eventually was going to become an eventuality regardless, or to extraneously works towards an out of the way goal to gain little more than the recognition of having done so. But again; to each his own. If that floats your boat, more power to ya.
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I consider achievement unlocking an extension of my hoarding and collection obsession. It's not something rational.

In any case, achievements/trophies should be given as milestones and also for things that require skill. There should be one for something based completely off luck, since it's possible (but highly unlikely) for someone to unlock Poker! in their very first in-game poker game, or not unlock it for weeks, if not months.

On the other hand, something like "Beat the entire game on Insanity" requires skill, and is not dependent on luck. If I was able to beat Letho on Insanity 3x in a row, utilizing a particular technique, ANY player will be able to utilize that same technique and beat him consistently.

The same cannot be said for luck-based achievements. The frustration of trying to unlock Poker! is like having an achievement that says "Beat the game on insanity" (aka without dying) and having a part of the game that RANDOMLY kills you, with no consistent way to dodge the attack other than luck.

In any case, while "just because you didn't find it entertaining, doesn't mean that others did not" is true, I have not come across a single person who enjoyed unlocking that achievement -- not on Steam forums, not on GameFAQs, or anywhere.
 
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