I shoot you for confusing the hell out of me. The only proper Cyberpunk response.What happens when you rebel against the rebels who are rebelling against the rebellion against the rebels?
[appropriate RipperJack quote goes here]Edit: and then loot you for organs and 'ware!
Well, the point is that there is a HUGE mindset difference between japanese & american view of cyberpunk.^^lol. To a great extent, I do not care. I am not an American nor have I played the original CP2020.
I prefer anime to american cyberpunk.
So fucking purebred american means about as much to me as fucking purebred Swahili.
It is saldy true what you say about the Japanese not wanting stories about what's wrong with their country, although their light touch on politics might be for the better in some senses: it isn't there to stroke anyone's ego with things like "Left wing is the cool thing to say" or "Look at Batman, Frank Miller made him fascist-cool". It's so broad that it becomes ultimately more universal, and it sometimes lends itself well to overthinking, like "why did the Minister of Domestic Issues stay in the Kayabuki Cabinet?", well, maybe he's "a man of regime, someone that would administrate and hold power no matter what the trend is", every country has loads of those. I think manga-anime itself may have lost a lot of that energy that it had with all those directors and authors like Oshii or Miyazaki that were so militant at least in their youth. Modern manga-anime feels way more "feel good" (or, the stark opposite, super disturbing). I know talking politics tends to be banned from forums and family dinner tables for a reason, but still, it's an important part of the lives of everyone and it shouldn't be such a taboo to treat in any form of art.On the topic:
In Cyberpunk, once you're dead... you're dead
As said, unless they created something to save the brain between 2020 and 2077, or maybe some experimentation in a lab, the usual Trauma Team can't revive you if your brain is too damaged, and since the brain-death comes after 6mn, don't count on resurection. (even if your character is called Jesus Christ, that'll not help lol).
Anyway, even if it would exist, it would be only for the Corporate, like in the movie Elysium, so your character shouldn't be allowed to use it (since you have to be dead to use it, and corpses don't pay.)
Well, the point is that there is a HUGE mindset difference between japanese & american view of cyberpunk.
Personally, even if i like some cyberpunk anime, i feel more connected with the "US Cyberpunk", just because almost everyone lives in the "american way of life", even in europe, we share the same food, same corporations (apple, coca cola, mc donald, KFC, etc...), we lives in close culture (even if every-country has it's own culture, the american capitalism has spread the US culture worldwide, even in poor country like Etiopia, they drinks Coke (coca cola) and smokes Malboro. That's the point of the US Cyberpunk, even there the Japan are shown like "capitalists yakuza" ready to kill anyone on their path (well, that's the truth, during the tsunami, japanese governement said "no thanks" to the international rescue teams, and instead of turning down their nuclear reactor, they kept it on to earn a few more Yens.).
That's how the world is Depicted in the US Cyberpunk, just add to it some urban culture, drug, violence, cybernetics and the everyday life of the real everyday "nobody".
Japanese Cyberpunk is stylish, has deep story, interesting tweak, but in the end they totaly miss the political point of view, yes there are a few sequences like in Akira, but i've only seen once a bunch of poor in Ghost in the shell -The eleven individuals... and guess what? they weren't poor! they were just some cyber-bolsheviks. That said, the story is still good, but it doesn't connect with our world, or our culture.
Japan is a real closed-minded country, they don't want other country's culture, but they are really happy to sell their.
They barely depict any social-class war, or whatever, and nothing about the politics or the culture of their own country.
I like both Us and Japanese cyberpunk, but i find the American cyberpunk much more interesting, it connects better with everyone's life, where the japanese cyberpunk talk to the japanese at first.
I was talking about US Cyberpunk in it's globality.It is saldy true what you say about the Japanese not wanting stories about what's wrong with their country, although their light touch on politics might be for the better in some senses: it isn't there to stroke anyone's ego with things like "Left wing is the cool thing to say" or "Look at Batman, Frank Miller made him fascist-cool". It's so broad that it becomes ultimately more universal, and it sometimes lends itself well to overthinking, like "why did the Minister of Domestic Issues stay in the Kayabuki Cabinet?", well, maybe he's "a man of regime, someone that would administrate and hold power no matter what the trend is", every country has loads of those. I think manga-anime itself may have lost a lot of that energy that it had with all those directors and authors like Oshii or Miyazaki that were so militant at least in their youth. Modern manga-anime feels way more "feel good" (or, the stark opposite, super disturbing). I know talking politics tends to be banned from forums and family dinner tables for a reason, but still, it's an important part of the lives of everyone and it shouldn't be such a taboo to treat in any form of art.
It's kind of unclear if we're comparing cyberpunk manganime against american cyberpunk THE GENRE or against cyberpunk 2020. I think it's the first case, though. It would make more sense. Well, again we have to be careful with what mainstream media like cinema or tv may be doing with the label cyberpunk. Is what they do really that political, that incendiary?
The WWZ and the Birdflu examples are all based on the old 'snake oil' principles. It's an old, old routine.I was talking about US Cyberpunk in it's globality.
And yes, politics is a burning subject, but if handled correctly, it can be a really good weapon to make people thinks (and, that's probably why there's more stupid movie without any reflexion nowadays.... in a crisis, you don't need people to think.), but i think it add weight to the story, makes it less bland and connect it better with our own world.
Like in the books World War Z, the author talks about the start of the virus, and how pharmaceutical corporation tries to sell a "placebo cure" against the zombie virus "If he's biten, he dies, if he thinks he's got bitten and survive... we're rich!!!"
And a few year latter, during the Bird Flu psychosis, our REAL pharmaceutical corporations has done exactly the same thing:
outselling a lot of unworking cure for an inexistent virus, just to earn $ over people psychosis.
I found it quite funny how the author nailed the mindset of those pharmaceutical sharks.
This is the kind of "political view" i like to see, not just "being leftist is cool" or "come on, be liberal!", but a real and mature point of view over our world, because nothing is all white or all black down here.
And as said, i don't remember seing those kind of stuff with the Japanese cyberpunk, maybe a few hint here and there but not "at the core" as is it in the Us cyberpunk usualy.