If you find it helpful to speak out loud while reading, sure, do it as loud as you want. But we'll stick to "in a polite and gracious manner" in the forums, as always.
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Even with such a disparity? I understand that CDPR isn't making profit-hungry decisions, but they still want to be successful, right? Not to say they couldn't be successful choosing a less popular route, but on a whole they need to make some of their decisions based off popular opinion I'm assuming (when it doesn't detract at all/much from the cyberpunk world). If so, that's supercool. Not because I think that I proved my point for FPP or anything, but for the other aspects of the game.
Oh, I was thinking last night that it would be cool to have TPP when doing non-combat related things and FPP forced in combat situations. This way there could be AI based off of a player in first person, while you can look at how awesome your character is the rest of the time. But then again, combat is one of the coolest things to watch for those who like watching their character I assume... I don't really see the idea's viability but my inclination towards FPP is driving such thoughts >_>
I'm sure that "what people want" will be a factor in their decision, but I think that reading the comments in this thread will give them a better understanding of what people want than the poll. Most people commenting don't just say "I want FPP" or "I want TPP" or "I want both", they explain why it's important to them, and what they see as the problem with the alternative. That's much more meaningful as feedback than the bare poll results.
Frankly neither the poll nor the comments represent what the actual player base wants. The comments and the poll represent what the very small and specialized forum going group wants, and forum users definitely can't be used as a measuring stick for the entire player base. This has been evident for years and years on larger games, such as WoW, although this forum clearly does have a more mature group of users.
And yes, I do realize that most polls conducted, regardless of what's being polled, have a ridiculously small, sometimes only like 1000, people answering them. However, people who use forums and people who don't use forums aren't the same people, so our answers most definitely don't represent the answers of everyone the game is being aimed for.
For example, this forum seems to have 5288 members, which isn't a lot as far as forums go, and only 291 of those have bothered to vote on this poll. 5288 specialized fringe opinions, let alone 291 even more so, absolutely can't represent the hundreds of thousands or millions of people the developers are hoping to sell this game to.
To be fair to a lot of other people (including me x_x), the thread is titled, "Which view do you prefer?", despite that the poll is actually called, "Which pov will suit better in CP2077?"
The video you posted wasn't working so,
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Why would someone want to remove the RPG elements just because he wants First-Person-View?
Why not just focus on FPP View and then make a toggle TPP View like in the Bethesda games (But with a better TPP).
About the "I want to see how cool my character looks without using a mirror or character menu" thingy. Why not make it able to see our arms, legs, shoulders etc.. from FPP like in Arma (But with a lot less clunky control system).
When I played CP2020 I always imagined myself in the shoes of the character and saw everything from my point of view. Made everything more interesetning when I walked around corners, talked to funny looking people, looking for clues etc... The times I imagined the situations in TPP or from a corner of the room like from a camera, it just ruined it.
TLDR. I want it to feel like I'm there. Like I am inside the game as myself. Morrowind, Half-Life, Mirror's Edge, Chronicles of Riddick, VTM:Bloodlines, Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth, Amnesia, Penumbra, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and Call of Juarez all made me believe I was there with its FPP and awesome atmosphere.
EDIT: And If there is a toggle-TPP thingy AND multiplayer feature. Please make a MP-server-setting called disable/enable TPP-toggle.
Why not just focus on FPP View and then make a toggle TPP View like in the Bethesda games (But with a better TPP).
About the "I want to see how cool my character looks without using a mirror or character menu" thingy. Why not make it able to see our arms, legs, shoulders etc.. from FPP like in Arma (But with a lot less clunky control system).
When I played CP2020 I always imagined myself in the shoes of the character and saw everything from my point of view. Made everything more interesetning when I walked around corners, talked to funny looking people, looking for clues etc... The times I imagined the situations in TPP or from a corner of the room like from a camera, it just ruined it.
TLDR. I want it to feel like I'm there. Like I am inside the game as myself. Morrowind, Half-Life, Mirror's Edge, Chronicles of Riddick, VTM:Bloodlines, Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth, Amnesia, Penumbra, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and Call of Juarez all made me believe I was there with its FPP and awesome atmosphere.
EDIT: And If there is a toggle-TPP thingy AND multiplayer feature. Please make a MP-server-setting called disable/enable TPP-toggle.
Yup, very true. I was being moderator-tactful and not pointing that part out, so thank you for that
(Especially as I probably wouldn't have used the word "mature", so you said it much better than I could)
I have to clarify that....
I want to see both visual toggleable this is because is the best solution for a game like that....I don't see nothing wrong to be able to switch between tpp/fpp like skyrim does for example via mouse wheel.... I just don't want the restriction to have to force myself to play FPP all the time ((Deus ex hr did it))
FPP don't allow so much customizable option... Even if you are able to see your legs and arms,,,So for a game like this made it only FPP will be an huge mistake....
I think both visuals switchable is the best compromise for the people that enjoy different visual... I don't see the necessity to say made it FPP only will be better....Because will be not true......
Make this game FPP only will put a lot of restriction in customization and as i sayd i don't remember a single example of a fpp rpg with huge customization in fact they even don't exist...
What's wrong to ask both visual?...Why restrict the game in a single visual?....there is not necessity on this...
I want TPP and FPP lovers to be equal statisfate... But it seems to me someone want just only force this game to be another stricted FPP game...
I want to see both visual toggleable this is because is the best solution for a game like that....I don't see nothing wrong to be able to switch between tpp/fpp like skyrim does for example via mouse wheel.... I just don't want the restriction to have to force myself to play FPP all the time ((Deus ex hr did it))
FPP don't allow so much customizable option... Even if you are able to see your legs and arms,,,So for a game like this made it only FPP will be an huge mistake....
I think both visuals switchable is the best compromise for the people that enjoy different visual... I don't see the necessity to say made it FPP only will be better....Because will be not true......
Make this game FPP only will put a lot of restriction in customization and as i sayd i don't remember a single example of a fpp rpg with huge customization in fact they even don't exist...
What's wrong to ask both visual?...Why restrict the game in a single visual?....there is not necessity on this...
I want TPP and FPP lovers to be equal statisfate... But it seems to me someone want just only force this game to be another stricted FPP game...
Finally, a point in which I can point out the single flaw that bugs me: You're not there! Your character, a person who (usually) has a completely different skillset and physicality. I'd prefer a means of showing that distinction, rather than purely inhabiting their eyesockets. Granted, my characters in PnP have lives of their own, their own motives and behaviors. I do like seriously role-playing while roleplaying
. But I'm not them! I'm either far worse or far better at combat than they are, so giving me a visceral sense of immersion is... well... I can't think of a non-offensive way to put how I feel about that notion, but I'll just let you fill in the blanks...
@Captain, you do know you can edit posts, right? You don't have to flood the forum.. Flooding is not cool..
I feel like I'm 'there' just fine in TP. In Mass Effect, Witcher, Tomb Raider, Arkham City. Could be due to the fact I don't see myself in a game literally, I empathize, control an avatar. My Femshep is not me any more than Geralt or Batman is. With the exception of horror games, the POV does not affect my immersion.
This is what they should do:
Third person until you equip a gun or other aim oriented gadget, then you play in first person. Essentially auto predicting your play style.
Having perspective shift automatically would also free up a button on the console controller. Splinter Cell: Black List nearly does this in their spies vs Mercs multiplayer mode. Both perspectives have their inherent advantages and flaws. For example i tend enjoy first person mode, its more immersive, putting you in the players place, making small rooms easier to navigate and items easier to grab, not to mention shooting guns for which fpp is MANDATORY, but at the same time i like to look at my character, especially after i get that new neon tattoo, and when wielding melee weapons in fpp games I miss my witcher dodges and Zelda backflips. I mean I have robolimbs! Well this way you get the best of both worlds. Plus It would be ground breaking since i don't think it's been done before. Call it smart-something for the media.
Third person until you equip a gun or other aim oriented gadget, then you play in first person. Essentially auto predicting your play style.
Having perspective shift automatically would also free up a button on the console controller. Splinter Cell: Black List nearly does this in their spies vs Mercs multiplayer mode. Both perspectives have their inherent advantages and flaws. For example i tend enjoy first person mode, its more immersive, putting you in the players place, making small rooms easier to navigate and items easier to grab, not to mention shooting guns for which fpp is MANDATORY, but at the same time i like to look at my character, especially after i get that new neon tattoo, and when wielding melee weapons in fpp games I miss my witcher dodges and Zelda backflips. I mean I have robolimbs! Well this way you get the best of both worlds. Plus It would be ground breaking since i don't think it's been done before. Call it smart-something for the media.
I still don't see how FPP restricts custimization? Seeing the results of the visual customization sure, but not the actual customization.
I don't believe I've seen anyone here saying they want FPP only. When the PowerPoint showed TPP/FPP mostly I saw "no don't add FPP!"
I'd want both TPP for driving and checking how I look when I get new gear and FPP when on foot, inspecting surroundings, taking cover, combat.
BTW did anyone actually manage to play Skyrim in TPP? I noticed it was better than in Fallout but still felt somehow disconnected and I couldn't tell where I was hitting. But I did riding in TPP of course
You are correct there, but that is because of the form that The Elder Scrolls games uses for combat. Bethseda designed those games to operate in FPP. They suck in TPP and it feels like it was added as an after thought.BTW did anyone actually manage to play Skyrim in TPP? I noticed it was better than in Fallout but still felt somehow disconnected and I couldn't tel where I was hitting. But I did riding in TPP of course
I am hoping for a melee system that works in TPP because it will allow much cooler looking maneuvers. It would also reflect more of the characters skill and less of the players. If CDPR can create a melee system that toggles a 'lock on' mechanic and all we have to worry about is choosing attacks, defences and maneuvering to dodge or get a better angle, melee would work well in both third and first person. That would make me happy.
I don't understand why so many people are getting worked up over the third/first person debate. Add both, (making sure the game works in both,) and everybody wins.
Because one must take priority, and no game to my knowledge has done both equally well. That Splinter Cell Gameplay looked good to me though: TP for everything but down-the-sites aiming.
Legions Overdrive did, but it's tricky stuff. When it comes to movements, fpp generally allows for something like driving a car.
Just because there are few examples, it doesn't mean CDPR can't do it. I see no reason why one has to be a priority. Though if one does, I would prefer third, for reasons I have already explained.
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