^This.
Nomad without a bike is like a rockerboy without his guitar, a Solo without his cyberarm or a Cop without his badge. It is his trademark.
I agree with driving vehicles, but as for customizing vehicle I am kinda on the fence with that. I would say minor customization, but full out creation I don't agree with.
Vehicles in the PnP were often out of reach for some players (at least the games I refereed), especially anything that flew (AVs etc...). The cost for vehicles were too much of an expense especially when you could buy better weapons or cyberware. Not to say that the players never had vehicles, they were just given to transport them to the next job/mission.
Vehicles in the PnP were often out of reach for some players (at least the games I refereed), especially anything that flew (AVs etc...). The cost for vehicles were too much of an expense especially when you could buy better weapons or cyberware. Not to say that the players never had vehicles, they were just given to transport them to the next job/mission.
Here is a more easily accessible and illustrated link mate...
http://datafortress2020.oliwy.net/ultrachrome/civveh.html
I edited the first post to add the vehicle list there.
The simple truth is, there are few games out there that cause more of a gear porn reaction than Cyberpunk 2020. And if you are going to emulate the game, you are going to have to account for that. Not to mention, It's a near future open world game... there is simply no excuse or reason for not having vehicles. In fact not having vehicles, not being able to drive them, not having giant traffic jams, and not making a furious car chase to getaway from cops or catch up to the target... would create a game that was decidedly NOT cyberpunk.
This game is apparently being made for Next Gen tech, don't give me any bollocks about it not being possible, or about it somehow removing from the "rpg" aspects of the story, or somehow impacting the story at all. More options in the game means you have more options for the story, more choices to make. In a tabletop RPG a character can do anything.
And even GTA style games are adding RPG elements to them, such as character advancement. Which other than being railroaded down a plot seems to be the only real definition anyone can consistantly give for what a video game rpg is.
Oh, and jsut as a side note, to address some of the comments I have seen in this and other threads... Some people out there, who read LUYPS (one of the best books on game mastering out there, required reading IMHO) and really only absorbed the Uncle Mike's Dirty Tricks section... fail to realize that the section of the book in question was only meant to apply to problem players. Munchkins and nutbags who think they are playing dungeons and dragons murder hobos. I have heard sentiments expressed from former GM's of the game that their players characters never got to have vehicles, never got to have a safe house... because anytime the characters did, the GM would rob them, blow up their car, steal their candy bars... If that's how they treated every character in their game, then they weren't being clever GM's, they were just kind of being jerks... It doesn't matter what game I am playing, if my Game Master railroads me that hard, I am not playing with him any further. If there is no reward for my character, then what is the point of my character doing anything risky? If I can never own a car, then why are those driving, motorcycle, and pilot AV skills listed on the character sheet?
I realize you were probably exaggerating and being facetious, and I am not calling anyone out specifically. But realize there are plenty of people here who are Tabletop gamers, or who are at least interested in it, who have never played CP 2020, and may get interested in the Tabletop version of this game because of the video game. And when you say something like that, and present it as if its standard, you are giving them a false impression that may end up killing any interest they had in the game....
The simple truth is, there are few games out there that cause more of a gear porn reaction than Cyberpunk 2020. And if you are going to emulate the game, you are going to have to account for that. Not to mention, It's a near future open world game... there is simply no excuse or reason for not having vehicles. In fact not having vehicles, not being able to drive them, not having giant traffic jams, and not making a furious car chase to getaway from cops or catch up to the target... would create a game that was decidedly NOT cyberpunk.
This game is apparently being made for Next Gen tech, don't give me any bollocks about it not being possible, or about it somehow removing from the "rpg" aspects of the story, or somehow impacting the story at all. More options in the game means you have more options for the story, more choices to make. In a tabletop RPG a character can do anything.
And even GTA style games are adding RPG elements to them, such as character advancement. Which other than being railroaded down a plot seems to be the only real definition anyone can consistantly give for what a video game rpg is.
Oh, and jsut as a side note, to address some of the comments I have seen in this and other threads... Some people out there, who read LUYPS (one of the best books on game mastering out there, required reading IMHO) and really only absorbed the Uncle Mike's Dirty Tricks section... fail to realize that the section of the book in question was only meant to apply to problem players. Munchkins and nutbags who think they are playing dungeons and dragons murder hobos. I have heard sentiments expressed from former GM's of the game that their players characters never got to have vehicles, never got to have a safe house... because anytime the characters did, the GM would rob them, blow up their car, steal their candy bars... If that's how they treated every character in their game, then they weren't being clever GM's, they were just kind of being jerks... It doesn't matter what game I am playing, if my Game Master railroads me that hard, I am not playing with him any further. If there is no reward for my character, then what is the point of my character doing anything risky? If I can never own a car, then why are those driving, motorcycle, and pilot AV skills listed on the character sheet?
I realize you were probably exaggerating and being facetious, and I am not calling anyone out specifically. But realize there are plenty of people here who are Tabletop gamers, or who are at least interested in it, who have never played CP 2020, and may get interested in the Tabletop version of this game because of the video game. And when you say something like that, and present it as if its standard, you are giving them a false impression that may end up killing any interest they had in the game....
I don't want game about killing hundreds of pedestrian, constant chases with police, extreme car crushes and funny chain explosions of cars. I want RPG with great atmosphere, not this grotesque that you see in GTA, SR and Sleeping Dogs. I don't wanna another GTA clone, even tho I love them. They are funny, hilarious and exciting, but definitely not serious or dark.
So drive carefully. Or don't drive at all... run or take a cab...
I want a city that feels alive. I want it to feel real. I don't want limitations on what I can do, even if it is a bad idea.
Yeah I agree
Stealing a vehicle should be as difficult as real life even more so, In 2077 they'd probably have stuff like GPS tracking chips,solid doors and bulletproof windows so stealing one parked you'd probably need expert skills or tools. It'd be easier to steal a car with passengers through gunpoint but that'd kinda be hard to do seeing as the vehicles can ya know..fly
Like such things would help if you can have augmentations that let you punch through the walls, hack through the best firewall without even noticing that you are doing it or pick lock for you.
In games like GTA or Saints Row even if you want to drive carefully there are a lot of casualties and crashes or you would waste a lot of your time. I won't be waiting for green light in the game
.In Cyberpunk 2020, there were car's glasses with shields hard enough to damage most of cyberlimbs that tried to punch it.
And when you hack, you have the chance to become a mindless zombie, depending of how hard is its system security. No easy feat at all.
Do you really think it's going to have Vehicles? I wouldn't mind but i'm more into running around with my character.
If the game turns out to be quite a massive sandbox game, I'm certain you're gonna wish you had a vehicle to get to point A.
Of course if there is fast travel or you simply enjoy walking through different distances, then that's another matter.
I personally bet that there won't be vehicles that you can drive manually. I bet that they will be in the game but only used for auto fast travel. CDPR is small studio (less than 200 people for two games - other studios have over 200 people for one game) and they never had vehicles in any of their game. It would need to much resources and time to make it happen. Also it would be risky that they would fail.
It took them 6 years to put first horse in the game and it is only in cutscene.
It took them 6 years to put first horse in the game and it is only in cutscene.
Well if the game is HUGE like GTA then yes i would want one.If the game turns out to be quite a massive sandbox game, I'm certain you're gonna wish you had a vehicle to get to point A.
Of course if there is fast travel or you simply enjoy walking through different distances, then that's another matter.