Iorveth and Saskia [Spoilers]

[RepHope]

https://www.facebook.com/thewitcher/posts/10153424251709331

:unhappy:

Oh God that's hilarious. I'm sorry for you guys, you really did get screwed over. Talk about a double whammy.

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Conspiracy? He just made an assumption :thinking:

Yeah that they cut Iorveth because he was "2deep4u" which doesn't sound very reasonable at all.

 

[feainn]

Oh.

Well I'm off to go sulk something fierce.

I know Iorveth being in TW3 wouldn't of made much sense but only getting a lousy mention at the beginning of the game then a possible conversation being overheard (I certainly didn't get it) that he might be dead is literally poo.

Yo, CDPR, I want a Dol Blathanna DLC please. With Iorveth and lotsa elves please.

 

[Holgar82]

O' Dimm and Olgierd were an attempt to restore the level after the many players complain about the poor quality of the Wild Hunt.

Damn right.

Also, the Baron, O'Dimm and Olgierd are far from the level of TW2

Maybe not far but TW2 touch many themes, more than TW3 do.

 

[RepHope]

I'll explain. The Baron was the first part of the game. This part was one of the best because, I suppose, it was developed at the very beggining of the process. Once you aproach to the end the game, the number of inconsistencies grow, probably because the ran out of time. O' Dimm and Olgierd were an attempt to restore the level after the many players complain about the poor quality of the Wild Hunt. Honestly, i can share your opinion about that the half of TW2 is not essential.

Also, the Baron, O'Dimm and Olgierd are far from the level of TW2

Dude for every Letho there was a Dethmold. W2 had plenty of "simple" characters, like Loredo who was just evil. It's not like every single character was a huge deep grey character that provided tons of depth to the storyline. It had simple characters just like 3 did.

 

[PrincessCiri]

Yo, CDPR, I want a Dol Blathanna DLC please. With Iorveth and lotsa elves please.

This needs to happen!!!!

 

[Holgar82]

I know Iorveth being in TW3 wouldn't of made much sense

I think we all were aware of that but ffs, i just wanted some BADASS ELVES/SCOIAT'AEL! They were there outside of Novigrad! Why do we have a quest of collecting a freaking pan and not some cool quests with some elven terrorists!?

 

[RepHope]

Oh.

Well I'm off to go sulk something fierce.

I know Iorveth being in TW3 wouldn't of made much sense but only getting a lousy mention at the beginning of the game then a possible conversation being overheard (I certainly didn't get it) that he might be dead is literally poo.

Yo, CDPR, I want a Dol Blathanna DLC please. With Iorveth and lotsa elves please.

I'd buy it. Or a whole game taking place in that area.

 

[Riven-Twain]

A reminder: The topic is Iorveth and Saskia. This was not unexpected, and thus comes as small surprise that neither will appear in Blood and Wine. As to the somewhat unlikely possibility of their presence a future Expansion, or an Enhanced Edition, we've already threads for those over in Suggestions.

 

[Ljesnjanin]

CDPR, I want a Dol Blathanna DLC

This needs to happen!!!!

I'd buy it. Or a whole game taking place in that area.

There was something...Long time ago...

The Witcher 2 took half the time to build that its predecessor did, despite being every bit as ambitious and with an engine to build as well. An entire location called The Valley of the Flowers had to be cut, even though it had "an amazing story plot". "It's not a girly place," Adam Badowski quickly adds, "it's a land of elves." And elves in The Witcher universe are as dirty and mean as everything else.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-06-seeing-red-the-story-of-cd-projekt

 

[Golden_Phoenix]

There was an import choice for them too? Whoops, i missed that.

That's the thing. If characters are killable in prequel, their chances to appear in sequel is close to zero.


Iorveth had a harder treatment in TW2 in that term, my kind sir. He can be hand over to kaedweni soldiers on his path and we may decide not to help him, while he trapped in the corner on the Roche's side.

Roche is more.... protected in TW2.

 

[RepHope]

There was something...Long time ago...



http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-06-seeing-red-the-story-of-cd-projekt

I remember that, very interesting interview. Shows that even W2 had some rather significant cuts. Man I want more expansions/games, there's still so many places we haven't been.

 

[Sam2305]

Dude for every Letho there was a Dethmold. W2 had plenty of "simple" characters, like Loredo who was just evil. It's not like every single character was a huge deep grey character that provided tons of depth to the storyline. It had simple characters just like 3 did.

What?? Loredo and Letho as simple characters? Both have their reasons for act like they did. And they explained these reasons to Geralt. Thats more than any secondary character in TW3 despite the Baron

 

[RepHope]

What?? Loredo and Letho as simple characters? Both have their reasons for act like they did. And they explained these reasons to Geralt. Thats more than any secondary character in TW3 despite the Baron

Reread my post. I was saying for every complex character like Letho, there was a simple one like Dethmold. And you're dead wrong, the antagonists in W3 get their motives explained just like W2. Loredo hates elves and wants money so he abuses the elves and tries to switch sides to Henselt. Menge hates mages because he's a religious fanatic and is extremely paranoid about dopplers due to a doppler masquerading as a human for years, so he burns mages and will attack Geralt if Geralt doesn't drink from the silver chalice. There's no difference.

Honestly it sounds like you're just making stuff up to hate about W3 when it really wasn't all that different from W2. W3's failing come from it being CDPR's first try at open-world, not CDPR deciding they don't want to strain the casuals heads with "complex" characters.

 

[Sam2305]

A reminder: The topic is Iorveth and Saskia. This was not unexpected, and thus comes as small surprise that neither will appear in Blood and Wine. As to the somewhat unlikely possibility of their presence a future Expansion, or an Enhanced Edition, we've already threads for those over in Suggestions.

With all due respect, I wouldn't say that is a "small" surprise. Also, at this point, the Suggestions section seems a little bit useless

 

[Holgar82]

That's the thing. If characters are killable in prequel, their chances to appear in sequel is close to zero.
Iorveth had a harder treatment in TW2 in that term, my kind sir. He can be hand over to kaedweni soldiers on his path and we may decide not to help him, while he trapped in the corner on the Roche's side.

Iorveth? A killable character? Please, show me where/how/when Iorveth is/can be really killed. Besides, even Marcin stated he's alive. For Saskia is another story, but as you can see in my signature i wasn't asking CDPR to add her.

But what i wanted to say is that TW2 players who sided with Iorveth (or i should say the Scoiat'ael because that's what i meant) doesn't have ANY contact with them. ANY.

In TW1 if we side with Sigfried or Yaevinn at least they get some cover in TW2 (Sigfried appears, Yaevinn don't BUT we have as his substitute Iorveth and he is mentioned by him)

In TW3 even if you side with Iorveth you don't have any substitute, anyone. The scoiat'ael are just disappeared.
And the thing that really pisses me off is that you are FORCED to interact with ROCHE for a "major" secondary quest and he even treats you like an old friend (WTF).

 

[Riven-Twain]

With all due respect, I wouldn't say that is a "small" surprise. Also, a this point, the Suggestions section seems a little bit useless

To be fair, that's a matter of personal opinion, rather based upon one's expectations for the expansion. As to suggestions, useless or not, people still continue to make them. So long as they feel inclined to do so, there'll be threads for them. However, this discussion is wandering off-topic.

 

[RepHope]

Iorveth? A killable character? Please, show me where/how/when Iorveth is/can be really killed. Besides, even Marcin stated he's alive. For Saskia is another story, but as you can see in my signature i wasn't asking CDPR to add her.

But what i wanted to say is that TW2 players who sided with Iorveth (or i should say the Scoiat'ael because that's what i meant) doesn't have ANY contact with them. ANY.

In TW1 if we side with Sigfried or Yaevinn at least they get some cover in TW2 (Sigfried appears, Yaevinn don't BUT we have as his substitute Iorveth and he is mentioned by him)

In TW3 even if you side with Iorveth you don't have any substitute, anyone. The scoiat'ael are just disappeared.
And the thing that really pisses me off is that you are FORCED to interact with ROCHE for a "major" secondary quest and he even treats you like an old friend (WTF).

I wouldn't treat Marcin's words as objective truth. At the time he said that it might have been true, but maybe things changed and now Iorveth is dead no matter what.

You do get into a fistfight with Roche's men if you import a Iorveth save, but I agree that there should have been more tension with Roche.

 

[Sam2305]

Reread my post. I was saying for every complex character like Letho, there was a simple one like Dethmold. And you're dead wrong, the antagonists in W3 get their motives explained just like W2. Loredo hates elves and wants money so he abuses the elves and tries to switch sides to Henselt. Menge hates mages because he's a religious fanatic and is extremely paranoid about dopplers due to a doppler masquerading as a human for years, so he burns mages and will attack Geralt if Geralt doesn't drink from the silver chalice. There's no difference.

Honestly it sounds like you're just making stuff up to hate about W3 when it really wasn't all that different from W2. W3's failing come from it being CDPR's first try at open-world, not CDPR deciding they don't want to strain the casuals heads with "complex" characters.

Men, I'm not hating anything. Being more specific. I'm dissapointed. We have different views of this game and you can express your opinion but doesn't mean that I should share your opinion. For me, the last thing you said is precisely one of the big problems and the reason why Iorveth was cut off. Once you have to decide to remove a character from a game you have to think why. And this is my assumption: TW3 is a mainstream game where Roche fits better because is a more simple character. That's all

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Iorveth? A killable character? Please, show me where/how/when Iorveth is/can be really killed. Besides, even Marcin stated he's alive. For Saskia is another story, but as you can see in my signature i wasn't asking CDPR to add her.

But what i wanted to say is that TW2 players who sided with Iorveth (or i should say the Scoiat'ael because that's what i meant) doesn't have ANY contact with them. ANY.

In TW1 if we side with Sigfried or Yaevinn at least they get some cover in TW2 (Sigfried appears, Yaevinn don't BUT we have as his substitute Iorveth and he is mentioned by him)

In TW3 even if you side with Iorveth you don't have any substitute, anyone. The scoiat'ael are just disappeared.
And the thing that really pisses me off is that you are FORCED to interact with ROCHE for a "major" secondary quest and he even treats you like an old friend (WTF).

Damn fucking right. That's the issue

 

[RepHope]

Men, I'm not hating anything. Being more specific. I'm dissapointed. We have different views of this game and you can express your opinion but doesn't mean that I should share your opinion. For me, the last thing you said is precisely one of the big problems and the reason why Iorveth was cut off. Once you have to decide why are you removing a character from a game you have to think why. And this is my assumption: TW3 is a mainstream game were Roche fits better because is a more simple character. That's all

Roche and Iorveth are reflections of each other. Seriously did you miss that? Roche is what Iorveth would be in an elven-dominated world, and vice versa. Neither one is "more" complex than each other. Both are idealists who commit horrific acts of violence in pursuit of their ideals. For Roche that ideal is a free Temeria. For Iorveth it is a free state where humans and nonhumans live side by side.

I'm guessing Roche's path was more popular, or had his part finished first which is why he made it into the final game. The idea that CDPR cut Iorveth because he was 2deep4u is quite frankly bullshit.

 

[Sam2305]

I'm guessing Roche's path was more popular, or had his part finished first which is why he made it into the final game. The idea that CDPR cut Iorveth because he was 2deep4u is quite frankly bullshit.

Don't think the same. Respect it