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Kris_teh_pwnz

Senior user
#61
Apr 22, 2012
Aver said:
You don't understand. They would be surprised playing the game. ;)
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Perhaps, but how do we know that Ciri is actually going to be there : >? Heck, we don't even know if TW3 is going to be ever released, since CDP has made no official statement regarding it so far.
 
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Femto

Senior user
#62
Apr 22, 2012
I've chosen Ioirveth for my first playthrough, partly cuz I helped elfs in the first Witcher every single time I replayed it (I did that 7 times lol, never joined the Order), now I'm playing it the second time and I've gone with Roche.
To be frank, joining with Roche seems the most reasonable thing to do story-wise, I mean, I liked Iorveth a lot too, he's an interesting guy and some moments in Vergen added some nice touches to his persona (like viewing his dream, where he sees himself as a wealthy guy eating from an oversaturated table xD), but joining up with him just seemed like a really odd thing to do. This guy and his men has been nothing but a bother to Geralt durning most of the hours of gameplay leading to the choice momemnt.
But I've seen far more ridiculous choises in games (for one I never undestood the motivation to join the Order in TW1, for me, joining up with them was a much more odd decision then joining Iorveth in TW2), so I don't really have a problem with that, besides, part of the reason to join Iorveth is Zoltan and his desire to aid his bretheren in Aedirn, especially when he meets his other dwarf buddies, that makes up for the lack of reasoning in the begining a lot (it actually becomes much more reasonable then helping Henselt lol).
If I will play TW2 a 3rd time, I will definitely go with Iorveth. Helping out Saskia and Zoltan just seems like the right thing to do (not to mention Saskia is really awesome and discovering the little secret that she had was really surprising).
 
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Babli.480

Senior user
#63
Apr 23, 2012
After first playthrough: Roche
Because it was just logical. Roche helped Geralt to escape, saved his life, trusted him. And I really liked him anyway. When in Act 3, during chat with Radovid, Geralt said that Roche is his friend, I really felt that progression between them. From two guys that can help each other to real friends. Or better yet...bros. On the other hand, Iorveth is wanted criminal. At that point, Geralt is too. Everyone will trust Roche when he says that Geralt is innocent. No one will trust Iorveth.

After third playthrough, after experiencing Iorveth´s path: Roche
Because I like him much more than Iorveth. Also his path is one that I feel can be the only really neutral.

After two EE playthroughs: Roche
Because of all the reasons above. I love the scene when I meet Roche, defending little Anais and then seeing him taking her hand and part ways with Geralt. For me, Roche path and choosing Triss in Act 3 is real neutral path of W2. One with which outcome I feel the most comfortable, considering the new final boards.
 
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Oloroar

Rookie
#64
Apr 23, 2012
I prefer Iorveth - his path seemed logical to me because I wanted to save Triss, a character I care for, and siding with him served that purpose best (that is where she transports Letho to, and where Philippa resides). His ideals also align with mine, as I too support freedom and equality for non-humans. Unlike Yaevinn, Iorveth is not delusional, and is not out to "drive humans into the sea". He understands that humans are not going anywhere and living side by side with them is the best outcome, a stance I can respect, despite his violent history.

I also like interacting with non-humans. I enjoy experiencing elvish/dwarven culture and really enjoyed running around Vergen, listening to their stories and their views on the world and humans: "I dont understand humans, she claims she's a Virgin and they just fallow her...how do they know she is? Why does it even matter?!"

Then there is Saskia - my favorite game character ever (possibly favorite fictional character altogether). She insures that I will pick Iorveth every time from now on :p.
 
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dragonbird

Ex-moderator
#65
Apr 23, 2012
I picked Iorveth because, from a political viewpoint, I thought it would be more comfortable for me. I justified it in the game with the argument that he was in a hurry to get to Upper Pontar whereas Roche seemed to have got sidetracked by Loredo.

I was wrong about the politics though, both turned out to be OK.
 
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227

Forum veteran
#66
Apr 23, 2012
I went with Roche the first time because his rage is epic. Besides, Iorveth talks a lot like Hans Gruber so I got a serious "bad guy" vibe from him.
 
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bpzen

Rookie
#67
Apr 23, 2012
I just finished, I chose Iorveth path and plan to go the other way next play though. I went Iorveth first because I felt he was an underdog. I am sure both paths are great. I really enjoyed my first play of this game I think ill like it even more round two as it took a while for me to get the lore and mechanics a bit but thought the game was fantastic, love the mature theam to it.
 
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KnightofPhoenix

Rookie
#68
Apr 23, 2012
dragonbird said:
I picked Iorveth because, from a political viewpoint, I thought it would be more comfortable for me. I justified it in the game with the argument that he was in a hurry to get to Upper Pontar whereas Roche seemed to have got sidetracked by Loredo.

I was wrong about the politics though, both turned out to be OK.
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Just ok? *accusing glare*
 
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dragonbird

Ex-moderator
#69
Apr 23, 2012
KnightofPhoenix said:
Just ok? *accusing glare*
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Umm. Very OK?
 
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MPFC

Senior user
#70
Apr 23, 2012
1st playing: Iorveth
2nd playing: Vernon Roche
3rd playing: Iorveth
4th playing: Vernon Roche
5th playing: Iorveth

And a winner is...Vernon Roche!!!:)
 
Aver

Aver

Forum veteran
#71
Apr 23, 2012
Kristehpwnz said:
Perhaps, but how do we know that Ciri is actually going to be there : >? Heck, we don't even know if TW3 is going to be ever released, since CDP has made no official statement regarding it so far.
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It doesn't mean that you can spoil such things. "I don't know if this button will launch a nuke so I will press it" ;).

And I'm pretty sure that we will see Ciri. There was hint in the game.
 
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WrATH64

Forum regular
#72
Apr 23, 2012
Mrowakus said:
This, so many times this. Other than player being interested in an alternativre path, and perhaps feeling pitty for the Elves, there's no reason to help Iorveth. Roche proved trustworthy, reliable and honourbound. The only thing we know about Iorveth at this point is that he framed Geralt into murder of his benefactor. Why should Geralt even want to aid him, instead of sticking with Roche - a man he can surely trust?

If there was some valid reason e.g. Iorveth convincingly offering some intel on Geralt's past or Yennefer or even the conspiracy, then one would be faced with a serious dilemma: to stay along a good companion, or to follow a lead that might shed some light on the past and future events. Alas...

Roche is consistently good from the start - he is sharp, ingenious, and dedicated but also moody and gruff and prone to attacks of rage. A flawed character who seems very much alive.

To be fair - Iorveth isn't half-bad later on - he proves focused, reliable, uncharacteristically gentle and ponderous. One wishes, however, there was something about his quest that could really make Geralt stop and think about joining him, beyond emotional impact he might have. What we get now, is very contrived, and goes against sombre, logical analysis of your options that all of Sapkowski's works extol.

One of the two low parts in admittedly otherwise excellent narrative.
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"my enemie's enemy is my friend". Iorveth is that and it also could bring a end to the human, Elven fighting as a whole. Roche is the obvious path to some people but sometimes it's more complicated than that.
 
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DeargRuadhri

Rookie
#73
Apr 23, 2012
Corylea said:
I think we have some good guesses. ;) Geralt will go to Nilfgaard to look for Yennefer, Nilfgaard will try to take over the world, because that's what they DO, and Geralt will be in the middle of a war zone when all hell breaks loose.

I don't like war games, so I'd rather have a TW1-type plot, but having a war with Nilfgaard IS true to Sapkowski, so...
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I really hope we meet Yennefer in TW3 (Ciri wouldn't be bad either, but one thing at a time :) )
As for the Third Northern War...I'm not sure how it will play out, but if it will happen, Geralt might play a pretty big part in it, just as he did in some, if not most of the important events around the Second Northern War.

Either way, I hope we meet some old friends from the books in TW3, and I hope the quality of the story won't get worse, but I trust CDPR. :)

Corylea said:
Doooon't mention the duel, it was one of the lowest points in the game, when it could've been the highest. Sigh. Those flashbacks or w/e were pretty bad, I only liked Radovid's to be honest. And Roche already forgave Geralt when they meet in the camp, so I don't see why they wouldn't be on okay-ish terms.
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Well...I just mentioned it. :p

Corylea said:
I don't think I ever did, but that's what a new playthrough is for :>
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I always do that, somewhy I like pissing off Roche. :)

Corylea said:
Iorveth.
First I sided with him because I aided the scoia'tael in TW1 and wanted to be consistent...
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I can only agree.

Egyébként szia :)
 
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whiplash27

Senior user
#74
Apr 23, 2012
I've done both paths multiple times, but Vernon Roche is the ultimate bro. It's true.

Roche > Garrus.

Roche better be in TW3. He's too awesome not to carry on into the next stories.
 
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mrowakus

Forum veteran
#75
Apr 23, 2012
Babli said:
After first playthrough: Roche
Because it was just logical. Roche helped Geralt to escape, saved his life, trusted him. And I really liked him anyway. When in Act 3, during chat with Radovid, Geralt said that Roche is his friend, I really felt that progression between them. From two guys that can help each other to real friends. Or better yet...bros. On the other hand, Iorveth is wanted criminal. At that point, Geralt is too. Everyone will trust Roche when he says that Geralt is innocent. No one will trust Iorveth.

After third playthrough, after experiencing Iorveth´s path: Roche
Because I like him much more than Iorveth. Also his path is one that I feel can be the only really neutral.

After two EE playthroughs: Roche
Because of all the reasons above. I love the scene when I meet Roche, defending little Anais and then seeing him taking her hand and part ways with Geralt. For me, Roche path and choosing Triss in Act 3 is real neutral path of W2. One with which outcome I feel the most comfortable, considering the new final boards.
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Oh, yes - this many, many times.

I have to stress it yet again, though - I liked Act 2 in Iorveth's path better.
 
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BadlyBrowned

Rookie
#76
Apr 23, 2012
I like Roche much more than I like Iorveth. However, I like the Vergen version of Act 2 much better than the Henselt version of Act 2.

Going through my playthrough with the Enhanced Edition right now, still can't decide which way I want to go at the end of Act 1.
 
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BluesBrotha.966

Senior user
#77
Apr 23, 2012
There are logical reasons to team up with either one, but in the end we interact more with Roche. We start the game with him and we get more opportunities to hang out with him and his crew; we become more attached to them throughout the game. Iorveth is a really interessting character on his own, but he has it worse in that regard, especially since he disappears half way through act 2 to get additional troops. On my first playthrough I went with Roche, even though I really wanted to choose Iorveth, just because I wanted to see how things would develope with him.

However both chapters compensate for it. Where Iorveth fails, the side characters make it up; especially Saskia and the dwarves. The Kaedweni camp has it's own fair share of interesting characters, but it's in a fact a really lonely place. You're barely tolerated there, just kept to do a job that has to be done. Your friends are there, but it's all surrounded by this melancholic atmosphere (all accordingly to the nature of the chapter). Vernon Broche isn't enough to fix that.

I really like both equally, but if I have to choose, I will have to go with Iorveth
 
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username_3499456

Rookie
#78
Apr 23, 2012
Chose Roche. That guy is a badass!
 
Killduke

Killduke

Senior user
#79
Apr 23, 2012
First time I played choosed Iorveth because of the rebel spirit of the character :D
 
Aditya

Aditya

Forum veteran
#80
Apr 23, 2012
played bothmostly will import iorveth save for TW3 but thats a long time ahead
 
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