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Is Geralt Really Doing the Wrong Thing?

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vivaxardas2015

Rookie
#41
Aug 14, 2013
Man, I prefer to see this trailer as where Geralt is not shown as a lunatic who kills or saves people based on what their hair color is.
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#42
Aug 14, 2013
;)/> Geralt recieve a paiyment from these men... so he met them before. Geralt killing innocents? no way. There's a lot of information behind this trailer that we have not yet. Enjoy it now and make judgements after seen the whole scene is a mature option to watch it
 
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chicra

Senior user
#43
Aug 14, 2013
vivaxardas said:
Well, in Flotsam he did not kill Temerian soldiers who wanted to hang Malena. That would be totally crazy. So why does he suddenly change? It is the same damn situation.
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Maybe it's because they only wanted to hang her, not to torture/rape her before the hanging.

Plus, we don't know if Geralt heard what she was accused of. Maybe he thought she was just a petty thief?
 
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deep-kind

Forum veteran
#44
Aug 14, 2013
vivaxardas said:
Actually, it is exactly what he is doing - he is judging who deserves to live, or who deserves to die. In order for me to make sense, he either should kill them all, or just move along, and let it play out without his intervention. Or may be kill a woman fast to spare her suffering. To let her go is stupid and bad, because more people would die. She is no less monster than the soldiers, so why to kill one monster, and let the other loose in the world???
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The beauty of the scenario is that we dont know the whole truth of it, that geralt acted out of his personal belief.

Yet you cannot accept this, no, you absolutely have to think those soldiers are doing whats right

Dont know the answer? According to you, just kill EVERYONE , what a genius idea! Or ignore it! Screw getting involved!

The point of the trailer is not to show what you think is right, but what Geralt thinks is right, The Witcher, the white wolf, the man with the abilities to make a difference where someone else would just ignore the problem and walk away.
 
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Whetmore

Forum regular
#45
Aug 14, 2013
Also, I dont think Geralt is indiferent towards Nilfgardian troops, I mean, in the books, at the beggining Ciri suffers a lot for what Nilfgard did to her and her family (and country (Cintra))...

I dont think he would be pleased in working with them...

Also I think that the trailer is telling that in fact you are not able to not choose any evil. I mean, If he stays and do what he do he take side with the woman, and if he doesnt do a single thing, he would take side with Nilfgard (Its like when you see a murder and you dont do anything, you can be accused aswell)
 
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cmdr_silverbolt

Senior user
#46
Aug 14, 2013
beep boop
 
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vivaxardas2015

Rookie
#47
Aug 14, 2013
tehdude said:
The beauty of the scenario is that we dont know the whole truth of it, that geralt acted out of his personal belief.

Yet you cannot accept this, no, you absolutely have to think those soldiers are doing whats right

Dont know the answer? According to you, just kill EVERYONE , what a genius idea! Or ignore it! Screw getting involved!

The point of the trailer is not to show what you think is right, but what Geralt thinks is right, The Witcher, the white wolf, the man with the abilities to make a difference where someone else would just ignore the problem and walk away.
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This trailer supposed to show a difficult moral decision. There is no difficult moral decision, or any grey morality, in saving an innocent woman from being killed. So, in a scenario where the woman really did what she is accused of, it is simply irrational for Gerald to let her live, if he decided to kill the soldiers. Why to let one monster go to what she was doing, while killing the other? For frigging what purpose? Just for kicks?
 
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gregski

Moderator
#48
Aug 14, 2013
vivaxardas said:
This trailer supposed to show a difficult moral decision. There is no difficult moral decision, or any grey morality, in saving an innocent woman from being killed. So, in a scenario where the woman really did what she is accused of, it is simply irrational for Gerald to let her live, if he decided to kill the soldiers. Why to let one monster go to what she was doing, while killing the other? For frigging what purpose? Just for kicks?
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Since when everything in the Witcher world and in Geralt's actions is:

1. Right or wrong
2. Justified or unjustified
3. Rational or irrational
4. Has one clear purpose

?
 
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sfinx

Rookie
#49
Aug 14, 2013
I don't care about witcher code - if I want that, I could stay in reading in that part of Border of Limits, where he hunted bazilisk, but since Geralt climber out of that hole, he is part of this world. In saga is presented his fight for neutrality and how stupid that sometime is.

I am not a robot, also he is not one, so I (and he, or course) has some opinion. When he saw, how some fanatic wanted to torture some girl, should he walk away? (// EDIT: when I wrote that, I meant that girl and preacher in book saga, when I saw trailer, he acted, just as I wanted, if they trully are Nilfgaardians, I would be in 7th heaven, sorry Vivaxardas :) )
Witchers are not robots, they live somewhere and imagination of "killing monsters" is probably just human idea about them. They weren't brainwashed, Geralt wasn't, Coen wasn't,.. .
I don't even want to play for robot, which is just working on some code just like machine.
Only bad thing was his fighting in Foltest's army, that was too much for me.

His destiny is also connected to Ciri, so all of his dreams about neutrality and living apart are really unrealistic :D .

But good question..
 
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Senteria

Forum veteran
#50
Aug 14, 2013
sfinxCZ said:
I don't care about witcher code - if I want that, I could stay in reading in that part of Border of Limits, where he hunted bazilisk, but since Geralt climber out of that hole, he is part of this world. In saga is presented his fight for neutrality and how stupid that sometime is.

I am not a robot, also he is not one, so I (and he, or course) has some opinion. When he saw, how some fanatic wanted to torture some girl, should he walk away? (// EDIT: when I wrote that, I meant that girl and preacher in book saga, when I saw trailer, he acted, just as I wanted, if they trully are Nilfgaardians, I would be in 7th heaven, sorry Vivaxardas :)/> )
Witchers are not robots, they live somewhere and imagination of "killing monsters" is probably just human idea about them. They weren't brainwashed, Geralt wasn't, Coen wasn't,.. .
I don't even want to play for robot, which is just working on some code just like machine.
Only bad thing was his fighting in Foltest's army, that was too much for me.

His destiny is also connected to Ciri, so all of his dreams about neutrality and living apart are really unrealistic :D/> .

But good question..
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They were nilfgaardians. That's why Vivaxardas is so annoyed. Jk.
But if you watch the trailer again, you can see the nilfgaardian sun emblem on their clothes.
 
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umair2012

Rookie
#51
Aug 14, 2013
vivaxardas said:
Actually, it is exactly what he is doing - he is judging who deserves to live, or who deserves to die. In order for me to make sense, he either should kill them all, or just move along, and let it play out without his intervention. Or may be kill a woman fast to spare her suffering. To let her go is stupid and bad, because more people would die. She is no less monster than the soldiers, so why to kill one monster, and let the other loose in the world???
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Dude . . . It's just a trailer .

Trailer . . . just over 2 minutes , CGI sequence to keep people excited right .?

Game itself . . . Over 100 hours , we have no idea what the hell will happen .

Have you already forgotten how he lets villagers to kill a girl marked by Lashen in E3 gameplay (Audio only version) .? Why he do that .? He doesn't care , he just solves monster problem .
 
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vivaxardas2015

Rookie
#52
Aug 14, 2013
Umair2012 said:
Dude . . . It's just a trailer .

Trailer . . . just over 2 minutes , CGI sequence to keep people excited right .?

Game itself . . . Over 100 hours , we have no idea what the hell will happen .

Have you already forgotten how he lets villagers to kill a girl marked by Lashen in E3 gameplay (Audio only version) .? Why he do that .? He doesn't care , he just solves monster problem .
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Well, as I said somewhere, I do not really care if we have a choice about it. I didn't like this trailer, though. Brings back bad memories.
 
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umair2012

Rookie
#53
Aug 14, 2013
vivaxardas said:
Well, as I said somewhere, I do not really care if we have a choice about it. I didn't like this trailer, though. Brings back bad memories.
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You ... From where .?
 
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cmdr_silverbolt

Senior user
#54
Aug 14, 2013
You can always ask over PM, in case it's a private matter :]
 
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umair2012

Rookie
#55
Aug 14, 2013
cmdrsilverbolt said:
You can always ask over PM, in case it's a private matter :]
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Silly me :p
 
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Eldanon

Senior user
#56
Aug 14, 2013
vivaxardas said:
Man, I prefer to see this trailer as where Geralt is not shown as a lunatic who kills or saves people based on what their hair color is.
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Uhm, he's not... what he did in the trailer makes absolute perfect sense to me and is the ONLY right thing to do imho. He kills the men because they're very obviously torturing that woman. They're "monsters" and deserve what's coming to them.

The woman's crimes aren't nearly as obvious. They are stated by someone, sure, but there's zero proof that's presented in the trailer. Even if her crimes are true, surely she's not a cannibal by choice but out of desperation. To me, and clearly to Geralt, that's not something that deserves death, that's something that deserves pity. Killing her would be an absolute monstrosity.

Also note the fact that Geralt makes a point to NOT take his sword against the men. He pushes two of them out of the way and then shoves another one with Aard and just stands there. He is clearly giving them a chance to walk away, I believe that if they didn't attack him with weapons, they could've lived. He was just trying to save a person from torture.
 
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draconis184

Senior user
#57
Aug 14, 2013
vivaxardas said:
Well, in this case, in order to be consistent, Geralt should kill them all. I do not care about Geralt killing soldiers, I am concerned about him letting a woman go. If they all are evil, and he says he does not choose, why a hell did he let her live???
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Didn't you read his response? Geralt only heard the sentence pronounced by the soldiers. He did not witness what the woman did, or did not. What matters is that he SAW what the soldiers wanted to do with the woman. He may not have known whether the woman's crimes were true or not, but he sure as hell knew what the soldiers' soon-to-be crimes were. It's simple as that. Geralt isn't a judge. He isn't going to hold court and sit and listen to both sides and pronounce a fair sentence. He acted as he would have, as Sapkowski would have written his character. He isn't omnipotent, and he sure as hell ain't making the world a fairer place to live.
 
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vivaxardas2015

Rookie
#58
Aug 14, 2013
draconis18491 said:
Geralt isn't a judge. He isn't omnipotent, and he sure as hell ain't making the world a fairer place to live.
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Actually, in this scene he is. Someone who does not judge, simply moves along, and remains neutral. Geralt determines who deserves to die and who deserves to live. And sure as hell, if he makes a habit out of helping all seemingly abused, he is trying to make the world a better place.
 
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draconis184

Senior user
#59
Aug 14, 2013
vivaxardas said:
Actually, in this scene he is. Someone who does not judge, simply moves along, and remains neutral. Geralt determines who deserves to die and who deserves to live. And sure as hell, if he makes a habit out of helping all seemingly abused, he is trying to make the world a better place.
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I said he isn't MAKING the world a better place. You say he is TRYING. A little difference there. The woman might have killed wounded, but what kind of wounded? Temerian? Can be Nilfgaardian. Can be Nilfgaardian soldiers trying to burn down her village but got wounded in the process. So she killed him any way. Or she might have killed some innocent and them cannibalize him just for shit and giggles cuz she's a sick bastard.

The point is: we don't know. We only know what would have happened if Geralt hadn't intervened. Honestly I see little point in discussing what's right and what's wrong. There isn't such things. Geralt did what he did. I have read all the books, as did the devs, and apparently that's how they assume Geralt would act, and I agree with them. If you disagree, then good for you, because TW3 will be all about choices and consequences.
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#60
Aug 14, 2013
vivaxardas said:
Actually, in this scene he is. Someone who does not judge, simply moves along, and remains neutral. Geralt determines who deserves to die and who deserves to live. And sure as hell, if he makes a habit out of helping all seemingly abused, he is trying to make the world a better place.
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You're confusing neutrality with humanity, btw, the eternal inside Geralt's fight which make him as he is: great. And Geralt has a skill that not all men (and women) have as we can see in some posts: empathy and good heart. He's not a soldier. He's a painfull mutant.
 
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