must be very lonely, being on that high horse of yours.It's also hard to realize that the end doesn't justify the means, a quite basic ethical principle. If you have to kill one innocent person in order to save two others, would you do so? I wouldn't because it's clearly ethically and morally wrong.
there is nothing morally wrong with sacrificing people for the greater good at all, good people do it for good reasons with good effect all the time, you need to stop thinking black and white and explore this issue of "morality" deeper, you are but skindeep judging by these comments.
ofc nothing wrong with thinking like that, like i said neither choice deserves condemnation, but if you chose one or the other you should at the very least be less judgmental and more analytical of the other choice.
Black and white works for star wars kind of stories, but fortunately witcher's world is deep and human, not childish and fable-like
funny you are trying to glue Triss to the "unloving and cold" persona, just because YOU dont understand the choice the character made while defending THE character that is actually callous to her loved ones DESPITE loving them so (Yennefer)And a truly loving human being doesn't sacrifice a person they love for the sake of some higher philosophical and far away goal. That's the doing of a cold and heartless person after all.
if you say Triss doesn't love Ciri or Geralt because of her Lodge choices, then why not say Yennefer does not love Geralt either because of her cheating choices, of her using Geralt to do her terrible deeds for her own selfish reasons?
if you enjoy black and white "morality" so much, why not use the black and white brush on both characters?
your loved one is still there, still capable of forgiveness, of moving on and even becoming happy again some other way, on the other hand mages will still be burning if you dont do anything about it.Well, it's a question of probability and priority. Once you saved your loved ones you can still try to safe the world. But once you sacrificied your loved one what's the point in saving the world?
like you said its about weighting the situation and to what ideals you stand for, each person stands for his own, and Triss made her choice, you condemn her for it, fine, I also dont like it, but I understand it, admire it even, and if I was Geralt and Ciri I would forgive her (and in fact the characters did)
its not like she threw them unto a volcano to appease the gods that would otherwise destroy the world, again leave the black and white "morality" behind, this is not a simple children fairy tale its a complex work of fiction with characters with human traits.
your opinion, i disagree heartily, and again ask you, how lonely are you in that high horse of yours?That's not harder, it's just foolish. Only dogmatists, brain-washed or cold and heartless people would decide to do so. Sacrificing yourself is one thing. Sacrificing the people you love is a deeply inhuman, despisable action that is beyond redemption. A mother who sacrifcies her child for whatever reason is a monster in my books. There is no justification for such action. If some lofty principles want the mother to do so the world should really go down, like Geralt said. Such a world isn't worth saving.
was refering to Ciri in that bit.Please read the passage from the books again, I quoted here. Philippa (and with her Triss as the member of the lodge) clearly denied Yennefer's request to save Geralt's life. It's against the lodge's interests and therefore against Triss' interests. So she quite literally is ready to sacrifice Geralt, the one she claims to love. So no, you're wrong. It's not just about "using someone", it's much more than that. That's the reason why Yennefer can't forgive Triss.
maybe some day you will understand why Triss and ALSO YENNEFER (something you stubbornly refuse to admit) are willing to "risk" (by not saving him) note not sacrifice Geralt, its not like the Lodge wants Geralt dead, thats just not true.
not making up any arguments, there multiple book bits where Triss's will falters due to her trauma, I assumed you were referring to that in the first comments you made about Triss not "fightning" for those she loves, guess it wasnt the case as you seem to not even know what I am talking about.You're making up arguments here. I know quite well what PTSD is. But we don't know whether Triss suffers from it and in which form. Maybe she is traumatized but you know what? Yen is so since she was born. Her parents and especially her father hated her because she was ugly and had a hunchback. When she was young she hurt herself. So who's the really traumatized person here? Not even speaking about the fact that Yen was wounded on Sooden as well, blinded by Fringilla Vigo, which is even more traumitizing in her case because she has that childhood trauma connected with her physical appearance.
So what's the point in comparing traumas? However you see it, I don't see any trauma as a good justification for ammoral action. A sociopath might suffer from psychological disorder but he is still a bad person whom I see responsible for their actions (just as an example).
I am not sure how old or educated you are, but to state that "trauma" is no justification for what YOU consider "immoral" by your black and white extreme standards, just shows that you are very uninformed on the mather.
why are you speaking only of the books?Dude, I speak about the books all the time, not the games. I've actually made that very clear in my posts. And in the books Triss has almost no progress at all, while Yennefer had a great deal of progress. Still YOU compare the game Triss with the stort stories Yen which is just pointless because you neglect the whole progress Yen went through during the events in the books. That's just a faulty basis for comparison.
in the books there isnt even an issue of Geralt and triss at all... sure Triss loves him, but neither Triss had a chance at love with Geralt nor did Geralt ever got over Yennefer, the games changed that, and made all 3 characters change with what happened from the books unto the games.
this discussion is entirely pointless if you are discussing the books only.
And no I am not dismissing Yen's progress at all both books AND games, in fact said it many times Yen changed for the better.