Is it just me, or is Yen... [Spoilers}

[Jou05]

Yennefer treats Geralt like absolute trash. It's essentially a verbally abusive relationship. Wear these clothes, I won't take no for an answer. Do this or I'll break you down and then do it anyway. Stand here, don't say anything. And if you do everything I tell you - I'll toss you a romance scene. Geralt comes out and says, "When you say please it's never a request, it's always a command". He mentions how quiet she is around the emperor, but how overbearing she can be towards him "as a lowly witcher". Geralt's friends at Kaer Moren make frequent comments on how Yen treats Geralt with an utter lack of basic human to human (or mutant) respect. Morrigan (since the comparison is sometimes made) sheathed her barbs in a wry humor, where you wasn't quite sure if she really hated you or was just trolling. Yen, however, has none of that - she's just a mean-spirited person. Magic cover up being a hunchback, but it can't cover up a rotten personality.

"Put on these daisy dukes. Don't talk back. I'll expect the dishes done, the laundry folded, and a sandwich on the table. I'm not asking, I'm telling. If you get everything done I'll reward you by letting you have sex with me."

If I ever turn up dead, chances are it was from saying something like that.

Yen is just a horrible person and Geralt is better off alone - since I let Triss go before getting to know the alternative.

Agreed I really don't get what Geralt sees in her
She is just an annoying ice queen who has a very high opinion of herself

My opinion of "default" Geralt really went down after TW3, dude lets himself being treated like shit (apparently even more so in the books)

 

[Doozerpindan]

So far the only things said in defense of Yen has been comments saying she's like that in the books as well, as if that makes her horrible behaviour and attitude in any way acceptable. It doesn't. Whereas Triss is a complete sweetheart, I fell in love with the character in TW2, and more-so in TW3, and was really hoping there'd be more content with her in after she leaves then comes back and resumes her relationship with Geralt (as she did in my play through).

 

[jockmick]

So far the only things said in defense of Yen has been comments saying she's like that in the books as well, as if that makes her horrible behaviour and attitude in any way acceptable. It doesn't.

What I'm saying is: there is an underlying reason for all behavior. And if you just take the time to analyze Yennefer and peel away the facade you will notice why she behaves in this "cold" way. And I also think that many people didn't understand that some of her remarks in TW3 were dark and twisted humor.

And I agree, Triss is a sweetheart. It's hard not to like her. But, she has used Geralt as much, if not more, than Yennefer.

 

[Cuttlefish]

Yen's a destructive woman, and some people are drawn to that, like Geralt. Being unloved as a child, wanting to her own child despite her sterility, etc., all contribute to her behaviour. At the end of the day, I think Yen's an infinitely more interesting character than Triss, whose head over heels love with Geralt and complete devotion to him feel somewhat like fan service. I think I just prefer people like Yen, anyhow; she has more character IMO. Maybe Geralt loves Yen so much because he thinks if he can win the love of someone as distant as Yen, he can win the love of anyone?

 

[jockmick]

Maybe Geralt loves Yen so much because he thinks if he can win the love of someone as distant as Yen, he can win the love of anyone?

That's a very interesting thought. I believe Yennefer doesn't think she deserves to be loved because of what happened to her in her past. And, Geralt doesn't think he can love. That is a big theme in the books, emotions. But, really, Geralt is capable of more love than most humans. Geralt and Yennefer love each other and are destined for each other, but fear always made them doubt and keep them apart.

 

[Cuttlefish]

That's a very interesting thought. I believe Yennefer doesn't think she deserves to be loved because of what happened to her in her past. And, Geralt doesn't think he can love. That is a big theme in the books, emotions. But, really, Geralt is capable of more love than most humans. Geralt and Yennefer love each other and are destined for each other, but fear always made them doubt and keep them apart.

Ah, yeah, there was a thing in the books about Witchers being incapable of love, wasn't there? I had actually forgotten about that.

Anyway, Yen's personality in the books felt so larger than life, that I was taken aback. I think she is one of Sapkowski's best creations.

 

[jockmick]

Ah, yeah, there was a thing in the books about Witchers being incapable of love, wasn't there? I had actually forgotten about that.

Anyway, Yen's personality in the books felt so larger than life, that I was taken aback. I think she is one of Sapkowski's best creations.

Yup, that was a big thing in the books. And, Geralt feels sorry for himself a lot, and uses that as an excuse for a lot of things, saying that he has not emotions, when in fact he has loads of them.

Yennefer is, together with Ciri, my favorite character in the books. She is so interesting and nuanced, and her relationship with Geralt is the best thing in the books, in my opinion.

 

[Cuttlefish]

Yennefer is, together with Ciri, my favorite character in the books. She is so interesting and nuanced, and her relationship with Geralt is the best thing in the books, in my opinion.

Agreed!

 

[Doozerpindan]

It does sound like she is more interesting, if not more likeable, in the books than she is in the game. I'll get the books when I can afford them and make up my mind then, but for now my Geralt is choosing Triss cos Yen's behaviour towards and treatment of him and others has pushed him away and straight back into Triss's arms, where she has accepted him back because they both need and deserve some happiness in their lives.

 

[jockmick]

It does sound like she is more interesting, if not more likeable, in the books than she is in the game. I'll get the books when I can afford them and make up my mind then, but for now my Geralt is choosing Triss cos Yen's behaviour towards and treatment of him and others has pushed him away and straight back into Triss's arms, where she has accepted him back because they both need and deserve some happiness in their lives.

I found her as interesting in the game as in the books. And she behaved just like I thought she would behave in the game, and I didn't see anything horrible in it. I don't think she had any hurtful intentions in the things she said to Geralt. Some things he actually deserved to hear. He did cheat on her after all...

 

[FarrySquall]

Yeah. Unfortunately the game doesn't show that

I found her as interesting in the game as in the books. And she behaved just like I thought she would behave in the game, and I didn't see anything horrible in it. I don't think she had any hurtful intentions in the things she said to Geralt. Some things he actually deserved to hear. He did cheat on her after all...

Just like Geralt said :he lost his memory. Only in Witcher 2 he started to remember about Yen. And after the Witcher 2 that he said good bye to Triss and went find Yen.

Because of this, Triss always act like they don't belong to each others

 

[jockmick]

Just like Geralt said :he lost his memory. Only in Witcher 2 he started to remember about Yen. And after the Witcher 2 that he said good bye to Triss and went find Yen.

Because of this, Triss always act like they don't belong to each others

Yup, that's true. He didn't have his memory. So, he shouldn't really be blamed. But, Yennefer still has a right to be pissed about it. The real blame should be put on Triss, really. She just used his memory loss. She didn't consider once to tell Geralt about Yennefer, until he made her. It's really funny also, when you remember that scene i TW1, when Triss says she could help Geralt restore his memory with magic, but that he should "find his own way" instead. Who does that benefit?

 

[Jou05]

Yup, that's true. He didn't have his memory. So, he shouldn't really be blamed. But, Yennefer still has a right to be pissed about it. The real blame should be put on Triss, really. She just used his memory loss. She didn't consider once to tell Geralt about Yennefer, until he made her. It's really funny also, when you remember that scene i TW1, when Triss says she could help Geralt restore his memory with magic, but that he should "find his own way" instead. Who does that benefit?

I wouldn't take TW1's story or characters seriously anymore
Triss wasn't even Triss in that game (instead a Yen rip off, probably why I didn't like her there), also don't forget the silly Alvin plotline (Ciri lite)

It was more like a best off from the books (as far as I have heard), still a good game (great atmosphere)
They probably didn't even know that a TW2 or TW3 will come

 

[jockmick]

I wouldn't take TW1's story or characters seriously anymore
Triss wasn't even Triss in that game (instead a Yen rip off, probably why I didn't like her there), also don't forget the silly Alvin plotline (Ciri lite)

It was more like a best off from the books (as far as I have heard), still a good game (great atmosphere)
They probably didn't even know that a TW2 or TW3 will come

Of course you should take TW1 seriously. It would be weird not to. Everything that happened in the previous games and in the books should count. And, yes, Triss was unlike book and TW2 Triss, but her actions still count. It seems like all the Triss fans are selectively blind. No offense.

 

[Jou05]

Of course you should take TW1 seriously. It would be weird not to. Everything that happened in the previous games and in the books should count. And, yes, Triss was unlike book and TW2 Triss, but her actions still count. It seems like all the Triss fans are selectively blind. No offense.

TW1 didn't matter in TW2 or TW3, its as if the events never happened so yes I think even CDPR treats it non canon at this point
Triss still took advantage of Geralt in TW2 I will agree on that, so no I'm not blind lol

 

[FarrySquall]

TW1 didn't matter in TW2 or TW3, its as if the events never happened so yes I think even CDPR treats it non canon at this point
Triss still took advantage of Geralt in TW2 I will agree on that, so no I'm not blind lol

I think Triss really love Geralt and decided to take a litle time she jad, immediately retreat after he regained his memory though

 

[jockmick]

TW1 didn't matter in TW2

The very reason to why Geralt is with King Foltest, and ultimately needs to clear his name for Foltest's murder, is because of the events in TW1, where Geralt saves Foltest from an assassin.

But, anyway. We should get back on topic. This thread is about Yennefer after all.

 

[leinad312]

Of course you should take TW1 seriously. It would be weird not to. Everything that happened in the previous games and in the books should count. And, yes, Triss was unlike book and TW2 Triss, but her actions still count. It seems like all the Triss fans are selectively blind. No offense.

Yes, I think that her on the surface personality flip was intentional by the devs and that it's supposed to raise our suspicions. Even Philippa says that Geralt would be a fool to trust Triss. I'm going to post my thoughts here that I posted on reddit.

My memory of the first game is a bit fuzzy, it being so long ago. But I feel like she didn't put much effort into aiding with Geralt's memory recovery in the first game. Didn't she basically tell him to just reinvent himself? It wasn't until Geralt started recovering his memory more rapidly in the second game that she seems to put forth effort into aiding his memory recovery, probably because she could no longer brush the issue aside.

I also think I recall her not being very forthcoming about who the sorceress Geralt loved was in the first game. Basically leading him into thinking that it could've been her. She's definitely an interesting character though. She seemed a lot more untrustworthy/deceptive in the Witcher 1 compared to the Witcher 2. Which makes me wonder about her sudden warmth and sweetness in the second game. I have the suspicion that she's basically fooled Geralt into falling for her with her act of sweetness, and that we the players are easily pulled in alongside him. I've only read The Last Wish and Blood of Elves way back when they came out in english, so I don't know much about her true colors. But apparently she did some things that definitely raise my suspicions about her.

 

[Jou05]

The very reason to why Geralt is with King Foltest, and ultimately needs to clear his name for Foltest's murder, is because of the events in TW1, where Geralt saves Foltest from an assassin.

But, anyway. We should get back on topic. This thread is about Yennefer after all.

That was only the after credits scene though...

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Yes, I think that her on the surface personality flip was intentional by the devs and that it's supposed to raise our suspicions. Even Philippa says that Geralt would be a fool to trust Triss. I'm going to post my thoughts here that I posted on reddit.

My memory of the first game is a bit fuzzy, it being so long ago. But I feel like she didn't put much effort into aiding with Geralt's memory recovery in the first game. Didn't she basically tell him to just reinvent himself? It wasn't until Geralt started recovering his memory more rapidly in the second game that she seems to put forth effort into aiding his memory recovery, probably because she could no longer brush the issue aside.

I also think I recall her not being very forthcoming about who the sorceress Geralt loved was in the first game. Basically leading him into thinking that it could've been her. She's definitely an interesting character though. She seemed a lot more untrustworthy/deceptive in the Witcher 1 compared to the Witcher 2. Which makes me wonder about her sudden warmth and sweetness in the second game. I have the suspicion that she's basically fooled Geralt into falling for her with her act of sweetness, and that we the players are easily pulled in alongside him. I've only read The Last Wish and Blood of Elves way back when they came out in english, so I don't know much about her true colors. But apparently she did some things that definitely raise my suspicions about her.

Wrong
Her "sudden" (nothing sudden abou it) warmth and sweetness is part of her character its who she is, she was untrustworthy and deceptive in TW1 because they turned her into Yen 2.0 for whatever reasons

 

[jockmick]

I have the suspicion that she's basically fooled Geralt into falling for her with her act of sweetness, and that we the players are easily pulled in alongside him. I've only read The Last Wish and Blood of Elves way back when they came out in english, so I don't know much about her true colors. But apparently she did some things that definitely raise my suspicions about her.

Well, she is actually quite sweet and warm in the books as well. But, she is a bit immature I would say in the books, like an adolescent, when it comes to feelings. But it should be added, though, that she did seduce him with the help of magic, in the books, which Geralt feels regret over throughout the entire story. But I am of the opinion that she used his memory loss to get him to love her.