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darcler

Senior user
#101
May 24, 2013
I think part of the confusion can be attributed to how the public in general perceives, or at least can perceive, both the Witcher books and games. Standard business model, at least in the West, is to monetize as much as possible from a single basic creation - thus franchises are born. So we have, let's say, a computer game that is the base, and then we have novels, comic books, action figures, movies, frigging McDonald's toys, and whatnot. It's because there always are people that watch movies, but not read books, or read books but not play games, and so on - and franchise wants to cover as many niches as it can (i.e. widening consumer base).

So people are basically taught to perceive things sharing a common name as different aspects of the same thing (i.e. franchise), and the same happens in case of the Witcher - even though there is no such thing as "The Witcher" books, or even "The Witcher" series (although the latter is commonly-yet-unofficially used, even by the author, as a way to refer to all the books covering the story of Mr. Geralt and friends). "The Witcher" is, in fact, the name of the game series only, not the books. And yet in general perception it is often confused, I suspect because it's how things are usually done (i.e. how corporations do things). Strictly speaking, "The Witcher" games are not part of any broader franchise that includes the Witcher books; in fact, "The Witcher" games are a franchise of its own, with its own subproducts, like the jigsaw puzzle CDP unveiled recently.

So I'm not surprised that Sapkowski doesn't want the two things confused, just as he never wanted any confusion with "The Witcher" comic books, "The Witcher" TV series (ugh), or "The Witcher" pen-and-paper RPG (yes, there is such thing).

That's also in line with what he stated about media convergence, essentially that a single story cannot be told when skipping from medium to medium. And I agree with that, because it's not storytelling - it's business trying to cover all the bases. So is the case with the Witcher: there's the books, and there's games, but they are not supplementing each other story-wise. They are separate, and they will stay separate. And, frankly, it's not surprising Sapkowski could get upset when he was asked tons of times how the games continue the story from the books, and if he had any plans to write books continuing the story from the games. They are separate things, whole ecosystems even, and they are to stay separate.
 
Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#102
May 24, 2013
It's a shame how his work has been bastardized by the media and TV, but you'd think he'd be all the more grateful to CDPR for not doing that, and for basically introducing his novels to the west. Also, good art on covers sells books, and you don't get much better art than what CDPR has provided, so it seems to me he's splitting hairs by getting riled on that issue. I do recognize there are language barriers and it wouldn't hurt for him to do more interviews for the English speaking audience instead of staying so isolated in Poland.
 
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CrimzonTearz

Rookie
#103
May 24, 2013
which reminds me is there a plan to release a new witcher TT RPG?
I would love to see one that uses the WOD system

I would even work on it for free if they were to need help from the outside
 
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CrimzonTearz

Rookie
#104
May 24, 2013
slimgrin said:
It's a shame how his work has been bastardized by the media and TV, but you'd think he'd be all the more grateful to CDPR for not doing that, and for basically introducing his novels to the west. Also, good art on covers sells books, and you don't get much better art than what CDPR has provided, so it seems to me he's splitting hairs by getting riled on that issue. I do recognize there are language barriers and it wouldn't hurt for him to do more interviews for the English speaking audience instead of staying so isolated in Poland.
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his issue is that he does not want people to confuse the 2 franchises/canons (as it should be) and is upset not with CDPR but with publishers (herein lies the missing context) he did say he was pleased with CDPR
 
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vivaxardas2015

Rookie
#105
May 24, 2013
As an author he has an authority to stop any publisher to associate his books with video games, and to use some specific cover art. Otherwise he can refuse to let them publish. But, from a business perspective it is a sound move - popularity of video games will help book sales. So such associations is beneficial for him financially, but as an author, he does not like it. Well, you don't like it - prohibit such policy, take a hit financially, and get less royalties. Otherwise, don't complain.
 
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CrimzonTearz

Rookie
#106
May 24, 2013
vivaxardas said:
As an author he has an authority to stop any publisher to associate his books with video games, and to use some specific cover art. Otherwise he can refuse to let them publish. But, from a business perspective it is a sound move - popularity of video games will help book sales. So such associations is beneficial for him financially, but as an author, he does not like it. Well, you don't like it - prohibit such policy, take a hit financially, and get less royalties. Otherwise, don't complain.
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which is what I am still wondering
 
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nocny.945

Forum veteran
#107
May 24, 2013
(Google Translator)

This is terrible:

http://www.empik.com/czas-pogardy-sapkowski-andrzej,prod58904752,ksiazka-p

Although I really like this character, and in general I like all the characters created by CDPR.

Perhaps the fault of the CDPR, because they have to sell the rights to the image. But on the other hand, maybe it is rather the fault of the publishing house. CDPR just sold the rights to the image, but the publishing house decided where and how to use this image.

Books based on movies or games is something that I pass away. This new edition of the books immediately look as if were based on the game. I am glad that I have an old edition of the books.

Usually movies based on the books is a failure. I do not like the movie Lord of the Rings. I do not even interested in the games. Why then all this would be a coherent whole? For me, The Lord of the Rings is a book. The rest can not exist. Frankly, I would prefer not to exist.

Well that The Witcher game is a success, but what if it was such a failure as a movie? Or maybe the movie also be considered canon and offense at Sapkowski for it that he does not want to take the themes of the movie? Maybe tell him to rewrite books, to be compatible with the TV series?

The Witcher: The book is very good, the film is a failure, the game is very good. According to the order.

I want to Sapkowski changed his book to be compatible with the movie! :p/> If he will not do it, I'm offended at him! :)/>
 
ReptilePZ

ReptilePZ

Wordrunner
#108
May 24, 2013
nocny said:
I do not like the movie Lord of the Rings. I do not even interested in the games. Why then all this would be a coherent whole? For me, The Lord of the Rings is a book. The rest can not exist. Frankly, I would prefer not to exist.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
 
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CrimzonTearz

Rookie
#109
May 24, 2013
yes that is screwed up...why shouldn't MERPG not exist for instance?
 
Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#110
May 24, 2013
nocny said:
(Google Translator)

This is terrible:

http://www.empik.com...04752,ksiazka-p
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Happens all the time in the states with no fuss by either party, usually between movie studios and book publishers. I'd be surprised if the author at that point has any say at all on the cover art. What matters is the author's name is still on the book.
 
wisielec

wisielec

Forum veteran
#111
May 24, 2013
I begin to percive darcler as a wise person :) only after 2 lenghty posts, wierd. Lol.
On topic - I concur.
 
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GuyNwah

Ex-moderator
#112
May 24, 2013
slimgrin said:
Happens all the time in the states with no fuss by either party, usually between movie studios and book publishers. I'd be surprised if the author at that point has any say at all on the cover art. What matters is the author's name is still on the book.
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Authors generally do have a say over the cover art. Some authors are very particular. But as with most business transactions, what you actually have a right to expect is a negotiation on friendly terms that leaves the parties willing to keep doing business with each other.

Just as you should never be your own physician or your own lawyer, an author should never be his own editor or commercial artist. Publishers know a lot about what will draw sales in a particular market. Authors who defer to them are generally wise to do so. But there comes a point where you have to say, "No, this does not represent what my book is about."
 
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secondchildren

Forum veteran
#113
May 24, 2013
wisielec said:
Canon is only one. The books. Games are ADAPTATIONS. Canon story can only be told by the author and his books. The author refuses to resource to convergence of mediae to tell the story, but in the same time he can accept ADAPTATIONS as a whole different entity (apart from the books). He liked the approach and the stance of CDPR when negotiating with him on the licence, he said its rare these days. He was pleased with that fact and their work being really good at a glance BUT he has no interest in the game industry, and he, simply put, doesnt care what they make as long as its quality work. Still, these are just adaptations.

Disservice... AS's books sold really well in Europe and the fame exceeds of the game's fame I suppose. He is already an established author and need nor wants to be advertised through games which might seem as tie ins to his canon. Which in part "dilute" his work... which might get lost in all the stuff being produced (movies, tv series, comic books or games - whatever). He keeps in mind the purity of his work - witcher world/canon.

... sheesh.
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Aside the fact that I don't undertsand what's so disturbing in wisielec's posts.....
thank you very much wisielec
 
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violetdreams

Rookie
#114
May 25, 2013
Some time ago I saw in an interview somewhere that he thinks that games are about mindless action and reflexes and never tried the Witcher games. It's too bad. Maybe he could watch a playthrough if he's against playing? I know a great playthrough on youtube, but I guess he doesn't. Too bad it won't be happening. He could change his opinion on them if he tried and could write a scenario for the next game on his own :)

Anyway it's too late to make it canon, but I personally couldn't care less if it's canon or not.
 
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dragonbird

Ex-moderator
#115
May 25, 2013
If he isn't interested, then he isn't interested. There's no reason why he should feel pressured into doing something he doesn't want.
 
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Cs__sz__r

Rookie
#116
May 25, 2013
dragonbird said:
If he isn't interested, then he isn't interested. There's no reason why he should feel pressured into doing something he doesn't want.
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Why is it we can't one up mods?

Regardless, plus one.




What is this sorcery? My phone does not have a plus sign?!
 
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violetdreams

Rookie
#117
May 25, 2013
I don't see why it needs to be plussed. Have I no right to dream or express hope? The writer shouldn't be pressured into anything, but others should be pressured into not hoping? Hmmm. :)
 
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cmdr_silverbolt

Senior user
#118
May 25, 2013
nocny said:
For me, The Lord of the Rings is a book. The rest can not exist. Frankly, I would prefer not to exist.
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I agree. I do not want to speak more because this thread is not about our problems with Jackson ;)/>
 
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AserPik

Rookie
#119
May 25, 2013
HicSuntDracones said:
2 if he is not suing it must be something ge agreed to no?
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Coz to be sued fixes everything right?
Jeeeeeez

From what I've read, he isn't against the games at all, just claiming they aren't original and can be successful in their own right, they just shouldn't be tied directly to his novels.

Closest thing i can think of is the bible and religion based games.
(Im not at all religious)For example if Dante's inferno actually did well, would the bible get credit because the game had christian related shit? not really no.

What I mean is that I think he wants them o both be acknowledged, but in there own right and the games as the spin off not the other way round, which lots of people I talk to seem to think (that the books are the spin off)
 
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CrimzonTearz

Rookie
#120
May 25, 2013
AserPik said:
Coz to be sued fixes everything right?
Jeeeeeez

From what I've read, he isn't against the games at all, just claiming they aren't original and can be successful in their own right, they just shouldn't be tied directly to his novels.

Closest thing i can think of is the bible and religion based games.
(Im not at all religious)For example if Dante's inferno actually did well, would the bible get credit because the game had christian related shit? not really no.

What I mean is that I think he wants them o both be acknowledged, but in there own right and the games as the spin off not the other way round, which lots of people I talk to seem to think (that the books are the spin off)
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the real reason of his comment was established 2 pages ago....
 
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