kinda hoping CDPR suit-ably ad-dress ( sry for the terrible puns) the clothing/fashion issues, I want a mankini so I can do a Katana wielding Borat playthrough......I would get my coat, but haven't found one I like yet
Its a Cinematic Action Combat with RPG elements as inventory loot, monsters (pedestrians and gangs), NPCs that bring missions (Fixers), but not an RPG. The simple fact because has not the liberty of how will end your character. (Sounds crazy but You still die), theres no factions, seems faction scale its a cut content, I imagine for the time cause no gang leaders bring you missions kinda dissapointed.
COD is becoming a Cyberpunk aswell the last COD Cold War has many ends... Just ask if you have the freely as Skyrim or Fallout those are trully RPG, sadly players nowdays they just eat what they are being offered as, and they like it, if you know what I mean. Look Dragon Age, Look Demon Soul-Bloodline all its franchise, Mass Effect, mostly of them Cinematic games with RPG elements being sold as RPG. I would say and Resident Evil isnt a RPG then? The term has become so vandalized that now everygame you play is an RP since You are the character and you play... I play Geralt of Rivia so I roleplay him, and this fits no anygame. No.
COD is becoming a Cyberpunk aswell the last COD Cold War has many ends... Just ask if you have the freely as Skyrim or Fallout those are trully RPG, sadly players nowdays they just eat what they are being offered as, and they like it, if you know what I mean. Look Dragon Age, Look Demon Soul-Bloodline all its franchise, Mass Effect, mostly of them Cinematic games with RPG elements being sold as RPG. I would say and Resident Evil isnt a RPG then? The term has become so vandalized that now everygame you play is an RP since You are the character and you play... I play Geralt of Rivia so I roleplay him, and this fits no anygame. No.
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I've not played much of the game so far but I'd say for comparison, even in theme, are the recent deus ex games. From what I remember they have a mash up of cinematic action, fps /rpg elements. The stealth gameplay in the deus ex games were very well done. If you've never played them and want more cyberpunk themed games - definitely check them.
This game was marketed as an RPG. Then they ninja changed in their description that now it is a action adventure. Almost all elements that was to make this into an RPG are gone.
Some people are saying there are branching storyline and consequences, this is bullshit, you still end up at the same spot. This is a highly linear game.
I played the game without choosing a single perk or leveling anything. All I did was finding the highest gun damage and use that. This game makes the class system in Destiny games feel more advanced, what the hell happened CDPR?
6-8 years of development. 121 million dollars in cost. And you make a game that is less advanced and impressive then GTA San Andreas a game from 2004.
We want answers!
Change my mind.
Some people are saying there are branching storyline and consequences, this is bullshit, you still end up at the same spot. This is a highly linear game.
I played the game without choosing a single perk or leveling anything. All I did was finding the highest gun damage and use that. This game makes the class system in Destiny games feel more advanced, what the hell happened CDPR?
6-8 years of development. 121 million dollars in cost. And you make a game that is less advanced and impressive then GTA San Andreas a game from 2004.
We want answers!
Change my mind.
RPGs don't exist.
Atleast until we build a strong AI capable of adjusting to anything a player might decide to do, while maintaining a continuous flow of quality narrative.
Even in a tabletop session, the GM may have to take a break if the party derails the campaign. Ergo;
RPGs don't exist.
Atleast until we build a strong AI capable of adjusting to anything a player might decide to do, while maintaining a continuous flow of quality narrative.
Even in a tabletop session, the GM may have to take a break if the party derails the campaign. Ergo;
RPGs don't exist.
Yeah, bikini briefs would be nice. There's that weird onesie that has a bikini bottom but with a full torso and long sleeves.. I've found a black one and a red one but I don't really like the looks of either. I also want that damn bunny backpack I see so many NPC's wearing.
gonna have to politely disagree here, if a party derails from the campaign, it's not due to poor design or AI, you simply cannot account for every single possibility, it's simply not possible, if a party derails from the carefully prepared script then a GM usually improvises or takes a break so he can whip something up,it isn't the end or a failure, the term RPG is a fluid acronym, you can't compare a computer RPG with a PnP RPG, here's a bit from the wiki which quite correctly describes what an RPG is and applies to both computer and pnp rpg variants.
and I think that covers all we need to know, CP2077 IS an RPG.
By one standard yes CP2077 is a role playing game but by that same standard NES Mario falls short by a hair. As you correctly stated, RPG is a fluid acronym and so yeah CP2077 is an RPG but it also isn't an RPG by the same principal of that fluid acronym. Either way, CP2077 is certainly not the type of RPG it was marketed as and as such I can not as it is now cast my vote by that definition as it being an RPG.
Well, you can play like that in Crysis 3 also. Pick some stealth perks etc... Or Dishonored...
Does that make it an RPG? - NO.
Cyberpunk CAN be an RPG. In your head. If you'll be ptetending some "role-playing" yourself.
Because the game itself doesnt really allow you to build a different character. Always the same guy\girl, with the same attitude and perspective.
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everyone has a different perception of things, one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist, we'll have to agree to disagree, but no small part of this "it's not a rpg" business is down to individual expectations aswell, face it...nobody is going to agree on the "correct" definition
CP2077 is an RPG in the most shallow use of the term. In the same way that there is a lot more to an FPS than a game where you shoot in first person and so on.
It has elements of an RPG, and you can call it one, but really it doesn't have the heart of an RPG. That's really what's lacking in my view. Choices with consequence, building out your character as you role play the character you want. CP2077 is more like witcher in this regard where you play a pre existing character and nudge them a bit in a direction for a conversation.
Just because it has elements of an RPG doesn't make it an RPG. Almost everything has elements of RPGs in them these days it doesn't make them RPGs however.
It's not a bad or a good thing, it's just a thing. But they said it was an RPG first and foremost which may have been true until content was cut with a hacksaw to meet the release. It seems like they just chopped off here and there because they could not make release. Majority of stuff that they spoke about and were proud of is just gone and I don't think they lied. They had that stuff in the game at some point but they really couldn't finish it or the game.
Was an RPG in heart at some point probably.
It has elements of an RPG, and you can call it one, but really it doesn't have the heart of an RPG. That's really what's lacking in my view. Choices with consequence, building out your character as you role play the character you want. CP2077 is more like witcher in this regard where you play a pre existing character and nudge them a bit in a direction for a conversation.
Just because it has elements of an RPG doesn't make it an RPG. Almost everything has elements of RPGs in them these days it doesn't make them RPGs however.
It's not a bad or a good thing, it's just a thing. But they said it was an RPG first and foremost which may have been true until content was cut with a hacksaw to meet the release. It seems like they just chopped off here and there because they could not make release. Majority of stuff that they spoke about and were proud of is just gone and I don't think they lied. They had that stuff in the game at some point but they really couldn't finish it or the game.
Was an RPG in heart at some point probably.
Everyone has their own rules for what makes an RPG. For some The Witcher, Diablo, Dark Souls, GTAV, Final Fantasy 7 Remake are RPGs. Other refuse to call something an RPG if it's any less complex than Arcanum.
I'll reiterate what I said in another thread: if Mass Effect and The Witcher are called RPGs, then Cyberpunk has every right be called one too.
I'll reiterate what I said in another thread: if Mass Effect and The Witcher are called RPGs, then Cyberpunk has every right be called one too.
Ehh... You serious? It's one of the most RPG video games, yes. But there are people on the internet that will say it's not because this and that. And technically you often can't prove them they are right or wrong. So what's even the point of arguing if some game is an RPG or not, when there's no unified definition, no textbooks, etc. There's no written law saying where is the line between game that's RPG or game that's not, BUT have RPG elements. The whole definition for RPG video game just does not exists, that's why I'm saying there's no RPG video game.
So on the other hand instead of arguing like non intelligent people if cp is rpg we should compare this game to other games, like Mass Effect, Max Payne, Deus Ex, etc.
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Mass Effect and Witcher are RPG Lite, then CP2077 is RPG Lighter Lite and so much that a "life path" amounts to what plays out to the significance of an introduction and a few dialog quips.
Mass Effect and Witcher are RPG Lite, then CP2077 is RPG Lighter Lite and so much that a "life path" amounts to what plays out to the significance of an introduction and a few dialog quips.
I would say not really. Our beginnings all lead to the same thing. No choice we make impacts anything. At the end my decision will be the same as yours.
Man alot of what the devs said in the past really are coming back to bite them.
No Cyberpunk is a looter shooter. Stop defending it being an RPG when CDPR themselves changed their description of the game to it being now Action Adventure, which it also is not.
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Seems like the other thread was merged or something, there was talk of what makes an rpg so:
Issue with defining RPGs is essentially like slapping Turn Based Strategy, Real Time Strategy, Tactical Based Strategy, Grand Strategy, 4X, MOBA, Tower Defense, Wargame and Artillery game all under the vague genre of "Strategy Game" without any of the ones we have today. You'd have fairly similar arguments of what makes a strategy game a strategy game and what kind. Best we got so far is cRPG, RPG and jRPG but they're pretty pointless terms that are too vague to be useful.
There are more RPG genres than just those 3 but really, they don't describe the core of RPGs.
The problem here is that genres in video games are useless to define anything more than in some ultra vague nondescript way to the point its sometimes worse than useless.
Issue with defining RPGs is essentially like slapping Turn Based Strategy, Real Time Strategy, Tactical Based Strategy, Grand Strategy, 4X, MOBA, Tower Defense, Wargame and Artillery game all under the vague genre of "Strategy Game" without any of the ones we have today. You'd have fairly similar arguments of what makes a strategy game a strategy game and what kind. Best we got so far is cRPG, RPG and jRPG but they're pretty pointless terms that are too vague to be useful.
There are more RPG genres than just those 3 but really, they don't describe the core of RPGs.
I agree with you, I'm only trying to be reasonable in as much as objectivity vs subjectivity has been brought into the equation. As I've said before on this forum, if CP2077 is an RPG, its one of the worst ones I've ever played and I don't consider it an RPG.