What maybe wouldn't be that bad maybe as they pushed the release and gave it a green green
In the law or its institutions, fans 'or non-fans' beliefs do not matter. What matters is the law. And any action taken against the CD will be from the Polish forum, the company's headquarters. Principle of international law, including commercial law. But this is a matter that concerns the company, not me ... but I find these topics that spread fake news, gossip, etc. funny.
Well, they need to sell that to the investors now. As you've said, they lost their trust as much as they lost ours but if the general attitude within the investors is the same as ours, they see the potential for great return.
As it stands, and as far as I've seen, it's a single investor contemplating his options and looking for more investors who feel this way. As long as a bunch of them don't join, this is going nowhere.
True, but here's the question. How much of the CDPR stock is owned by the management currently in positions of power. If they have a majority, they'll circle the wagons and they won't be going anywhere. Even if they have a minority of the stock, if it's a slim minority, they won't be going anywhere, because there will be enough stockholders that either don't vote or don't agree with a restructure to make it happen.
That's assuming that is even in the cards right now, which I haven't heard of one way or another.
The real problem is another i am afraid. Cd projekt suffered by an huge reputation loss. Some month ago many people acclaimed them like the last stand in etical business pratices. With this release they did upset a large portion of the fanbase is not just a problem of investor.
Can the situation be fixed? yes. But in the end i do believe what cd Projekt can do right now is handling Cyberpunk like an early access title patch and bring content a truly living city as it was promised and squash all the issues. They invested much in cyberpunk if they leave it like this that's not good for the company future.
The thing with reputation is that it takes a lot to time to build it. And just so little to destroy it. Cd projekt management and marketing promised things that were not in the final game this mean betraying and deiceve the fanbase.
Said that i hope Cyberpunk 2077 will be developed further and will manage to pass from a mediocre game with a great artstyle and a good story to grew in to a masterpiece. Of course that will take a lot of effort and a lot of work and because are the Devs that are the one to take the huge load of work i hope the management will finally be fair with them. Make a worker unhappy and the work quality will always suffer. But reward a worker and it will put more effort and work better.
Now the move is up to cd projekt red. I hope thy will treasure from this disaster and finally they will return to be the lovely company once was. There is so much talent in this company is a shame if this talent is wasted by a shady marketing and not competent managers decisions.
Please cdpr wake up.
Can the situation be fixed? yes. But in the end i do believe what cd Projekt can do right now is handling Cyberpunk like an early access title patch and bring content a truly living city as it was promised and squash all the issues. They invested much in cyberpunk if they leave it like this that's not good for the company future.
The thing with reputation is that it takes a lot to time to build it. And just so little to destroy it. Cd projekt management and marketing promised things that were not in the final game this mean betraying and deiceve the fanbase.
Said that i hope Cyberpunk 2077 will be developed further and will manage to pass from a mediocre game with a great artstyle and a good story to grew in to a masterpiece. Of course that will take a lot of effort and a lot of work and because are the Devs that are the one to take the huge load of work i hope the management will finally be fair with them. Make a worker unhappy and the work quality will always suffer. But reward a worker and it will put more effort and work better.
Now the move is up to cd projekt red. I hope thy will treasure from this disaster and finally they will return to be the lovely company once was. There is so much talent in this company is a shame if this talent is wasted by a shady marketing and not competent managers decisions.
Please cdpr wake up.
The employees are hard at work doing that I'm sure. I mean they're not sitting around doing nothing waiting for the world to end. So we'll get at least game fixes. Whether the DLC and expansions come out, well that'll we'll have to wait and see.
I mean EA did it with Andromeda, so I wouldn't be totally suprised here, but if they did that CDPR will basically cease to function. EA can get away with it, because most of their money comes from Madden and FIFA and Star Wars, so loosing the Mass Effect fans wasn't a huge impact on them.
CDPR only has one group of fans, they lose them, it's all over.
I feel like the more people read about the negative press that's going around, the more likely you're going to start buying in to it. I liked the game for what it is, could have definitely been better, but even after seeing all the stuff, I'm starting to have doubts, which is weird because I wasn't really disappointed. Everyone just needs to chill, let it pass and see where it leads, stop debating what can and will happen and just accept the results as it comes.
I've said this before, gamers are stupid and have short memories, and I include myself in that group. We'll fanboi onto the next project, as long as a long enough period is waited.
Besides, if CDPR comes out with good enough DLC and expansions, and fixes the game properly, within a year or two this will all be forgotten except in a few stories dredged up by Kotaku to hate on the next game CDPR releases. Mass Effect has proven that, and if Bethesda announed today the release of Fallout 5, people would rejoice, not caring one wit about Fallout 76.
It'll be easy for CDPR to fix their rep. Release descent DLC and expanions, fix 50% of the complaints about the game in a quality of life DLC, and Cyberpunk will rank right up there with Witcher 3 with hellish launches, but great games.
They don't do that... well...
Granted the game is not all bad. The writing is pretty nice tho castrated sometimes by cut moments. Like the beginning is very very rushed we don't have even the time to get attached to the characters we are supposed to get attached. The city is visually stunning the art on it is top notch however. However... Is also just a scenery there is no interaction nor living in night city and that won't require an huge effort. Allowing us to drink to a bar. Visit a stripclub and have private dances. Having V be able to dance in to the clubs. Or eat actually on street vendors. Allowing us to sit on chairs stool or benches. Right now is just how is it. All you can do is walk sneak and shot and hack. Everything is only combat related.
Well, you can't exactly compare EA/Bioware to CDPR. I don't mean this as in EA is evil and CDPR isn't.
I mean this in the sense that EA owns Bioware and the decision to can Anthem came from them, not from Bioware. I'm certain the people at Bioware would've have wanted to fix the game so that they can be proud of what they've created. CDPR on the other hand is still it's own entity. Albeit a publicly owned one but still it's own entity and capable of it's own decision making. I don't see them abandoning CP just yet.
That's called apathy and, no, that's just not in me.
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OH HELL NO.
I hope you walk on a piece of lego at 3AM while barefoot for even suggesting that.
All of that could easily change in updates, maybe as things get patched back in, or through expansions. 2077 has a lot of potential, and the developers/management would have to be blind not to see it. It could easily get better, and at this point, it can't get much worse. 2077 has a solid foundation and I'm looking forward to seeing where they decide to go with it. At the very least, modders will fill in the gaps, assuming that they can.
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And being consistently upset with everything you see is better, huh? These are videogames, not some life-altering experience.
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Also, I'd like caution people that hearsay and speculation are generally problematic. No-one can say what the future holds, for certain, so, please, try not to become too carried-away in prognostications.
Also, I'd like caution people that hearsay and speculation are generally problematic. No-one can say what the future holds, for certain, so, please, try not to become too carried-away in prognostications.
EA may be evil and in that we agree. However cdpr did not act good here. There were lies. Deiceving. False marketing and false statements as well that is one of the thing that broke the faith many have on the company. Look around you. Reddit,Youtube,Twitter and i can go on. Bugs and optimization is just part of the problem. New vegas was bugged at all at the point it was common that crashed even on console however many many people loved that and is considered a flawed gem. Is not the same for Cyberpunk 2077 tho and for very well concerning reasons.
Investors are different then gamers. They look at totally different things then we do. They don't care about bugs and missing game features. They want to see profitability and bottom lines and return on investments.
Gamers want the best game ever.
I've said this before, gamers are consumers. Gamers want the highest quality at the lowest prices. Investors want the lowest quality at the highest prices that maximize profitability. It's a balance to be sure in any company, but there's a huge grey area in there. If a company gets it wrong however, it can be disastrous.
Besides as an investor I couldn't care less about bad press. I want to see investment opportunities. Whether the game has bugs is less a concern to me over whether they sold 8 million copies, and how many of those are actually going to be refunded. I'm more concerned with the facts, that Sony delisted it, that there is a potential suit out there, and that the Board has admitted they mismanaged the launch of the game. I couldn't care less about what some journalist on a gamer site is regurgitating for the masses to make click bait.
No, it's not. If you're talking about the general gamer community at large, sure they might seem like they're constantly upset but on an individual level, we are not. At least, most aren't. Just like most aren't apathetic.
I did not, in any way, say CDPR acted well here.
But let's not let this EA comparison derail this thread more.
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Sadly very true.