Is TW3 getting downgraded for the sake of consoles?

[Scholdarr]

For the most part I agree with you, I just don't think it's this simple though. If you have three versions of a game, a PS4, XBONE and PC version. PC version looks and runs the best, and is used for all the trailers, screenshots and other promotions. Wouldn't you be slightly disappointed if you only have a PS4 able to run the game with inferior graphics? (textures, resolution, lighting and so on).

No. The reason is simple. There are two basic scenarios:
1) I'm an informed gamer who reads news about my favorite games and watches videos and screenshots before release. If I'm that kind of informed user I know quite well that a high-end PC is more capable than a next-gen console. So there is no need to be disappointed because that's just common knowledge.
2) I'm an uninformed gamer and don't care about news and screenshots. I just buy my games once they are release. There is again no need to be disappointed since I probably never see another version of the game than my own. And even if I see it it should be pretty obvious that better (and more costly) hardware can render better graphics.

Let's say you don't know what the game looks like on PC, you just saw the cover in the store and bought the game for your PS4. Then you go to your friend, who happens to have it on PC. Will you not be slightly disappointed if his version of the game looks a lot better then yours?

Yes and no. It should be obvious that a 2000$ PC is more capable than a 500$ console. So you might be jealous but hey, that's life. Go out and buy a PC yourself. It would be foolish to blame CDPR for not making all version equal just because you are too poor to afford a high-end gaming PC. World isn't fair but everyone has the chance to get the best possible version on the platform you can afford and own at least

And the important part here is that nobody who sells games wants you to feel disappointed or left out, because you might not buy another game from them if you do...

I don't know why a sane person should be disappointed just because a 2000$ PC can render better graphics than a 500$ console. Common sense should tell you that anyway. And there is no reason to make less good looking graphics on PC just to cater to those few who seem to argue just out of jealousy. Some people always complain, no matter what you do. But what did Marcin say? "We don't make stupid games." You could also translate tha to "We don't make games for stupid gamers."

 

[Vincentdante]

I know this urban myth but it's just not reasonable. There is no logic involved. It's something disappointed PC gamers made up for themselves without thinking through it properly and the internet just spread this myth without any additional thought as well...

Why should console gamers not buy the game if the PC version looks better? They could buy it on PC as well if they had one. If they lack the PC the only possiblity they have is to buy it for a console. Do you really think that someone won't buy a game that appeals to them on console just because it looks better on PC? That's not logical and almost nobody would do so.

There is absolutely no reason for a developer to make the PC less good looking on purpose because of consoles. They could decide to make the PC version less good looking because they might think that it's not worth the effort. But that decision has nothing to do with consoles.

Completely agree and I can actually use myself as an example. When Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes came out it was advertised being best on PS4. 1080p, 60fps only on PS4. I don't have a PS4 but I wasn't going to pass it up so I got it on PS3. Solved.
@Mortal if that was true then why are there still games being released on the PS3 and Xbox360 as apposed to the PS4 and the Xbone?

 

[eskiMoe]

Completely agree and I can actually use myself as an example. When Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes came out it was advertised being best on PS4. 1080p, 60fps only on PS4. I don't have a PS4 but I wasn't going to pass it up so I got it on PS3. Solved.

Dat PS4 version though:

Just saying

 

[Vincentdante]

Dat PS4 version though:

Just saying

I may or may not be considering a PS4 for the Phantom Pain (depends on how close it is to TW3 as I still need a new PC)

Hehe I am a total whore for anything MGS, and there are very few franchises remaining that still get me as excited as I am for it. Incidently all of those franchises seem to be coming out next year (MGS, The Witcher, Xenoblade and Zelda all in one glorious lump). 2015 will destroy me financially so I've been doing some hardcore saving since Febuary .

 

[eskiMoe]

2015 will destroy me financially so I've been doing some hardcore saving since Febuary .

Yep. My current PC build will pretty much destroy my wallet as well, especially after my GPU upgrade next spring

But, since I already own a PS4 (installed with a 3x bigger and faster HDD) I'm pretty much set for next gen. No wait, current gen I mean.

 

[ONLY_ONCE]

For the most part I agree with you, I just don't think it's this simple though. If you have three versions of a game, a PS4, XBONE and PC version. PC version looks and runs the best, and is used for all the trailers, screenshots and other promotions. Wouldn't you be slightly disappointed if you only have a PS4 able to run the game with inferior graphics? (textures, resolution, lighting and so on).

Let's say you don't know what the game looks like on PC, you just saw the cover in the store and bought the game for your PS4. Then you go to your friend, who happens to have it on PC. Will you not be slightly disappointed if his version of the game looks a lot better then yours?
And the important part here is that nobody who sells games wants you to feel disappointed or left out, because you might not buy another game from them if you do...

Just to be clear, I do not think that we will see a downgraded version of TW3 because of consoles

Well I would like to play it on PC like a year after it comes out for the mods. But Xbone will also have dx12 and I think it will upgrade TW3 even more. But who knows.

 

[sidspyker]

Well I would like to play it on PC like a year after it comes out for the mods. But Xbone will also have dx12 and I think it will upgrade TW3 even more. But who knows.

It's a DirectX11/PS4_OpenGL_Variant_name game though, DirectX12 won't affect it in any way.

 

[soldiergeralt]

lets just hope the console version looks worse as it should.

 

[501105]

lets just hope the console version looks worse as it should.

From the sound of things it will compared to ultra settings on pc but I doubt that anybody will be complaining about the visuals.

 

[thislsmadness]

From the sound of things it will compared to ultra settings on pc but I doubt that anybody will be complaining about the visuals.

In one of those E3 interviews they said consoles are comparable to high settings on PC.

 

[Scholdarr]

In one of those E3 interviews they said consoles are comparable to high settings on PC.

Yes, the corresponding interview is already linked and quoted in this thread.

I really don't understand why people just come up with the same faulty statements again and again.

ACCORDING TO CDPR THE PC VERSION WILL LOOK BETTER THAN THE CONSOLE VERSION IF YOU OWN THE HARDWARE FOR IT. CONSOLE GRAPHICS WILL EQUAL HIGH SETTINGS ON PC AND FOR THE PC ENTHUSIASTS THERE WILL BE ULTRA SETTINGS WHICH INCLUDE ALL THE NICE STUFF YOU'D EXPECT.

Sorry for the caps, but going through the same cycle again and again is just annoying...

 

[Shelledfade]

It's a DirectX11/PS4_OpenGL_Variant_name game though, DirectX12 won't affect it in any way.

This. Dx12 won't make anything faster that isn't utilizing it. I looked this up and dx11 cards will have dx12 support, you won't need to buy a new card in order to get dx12.

The question is how much extra heat will this cause gpu's if the gpu is able to work twice as fast. Not sure if consoles are going to be able to keep the gpu cool with dx12.

Also, dx12 won't be coming anytime soon, I think the reported expected release date is something like holidays 2015. A long, long time from now lol.

 

[Mortalsaw]

This. Dx12 won't make anything faster that isn't utilizing it. I looked this up and dx11 cards will have dx12 support, you won't need to buy a new card in order to get dx12.

The question is how much extra heat will this cause gpu's if the gpu is able to work twice as fast. Not sure if consoles are going to be able to keep the gpu cool with dx12.

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its not Twice as fast and it does not mean GPU working double time .DirectX12 essentially hinges on three key tenets; concise pipeline state objects, command lists and bundles, and descriptor heaps and tables .
your gpu still works at 100 % if a game max it out , directX 12 just makes it efficient and easing some problems like CPU bottleneck and much more

 

[D4rKy2014]

I want that CD Projekt RED is coming with some comparison on PC vs PS4 or so, am so worried that they wil screw this up for us PC gamers, i just hope they make a well worhty pc succesor from the witcher 2, because the video if seen on the E3, was full of vsync screen tearing and texture pop ups and fps drops, i really just hope that was not the pc version

 

[huber1989.365]

All versions except the one on Microsoft's stage were running on PC. I wouldn't be too worried, since they have a lot of time to optimize. My biggest issue as of yet is the UI, it looks better than TW2 for M+K, but I'd love the option to turn of the radial menu (keeping the pause though) and simply using hotkeys only.

 

[dragonbird]

All versions except the one on Microsoft's stage were running on PC. I wouldn't be too worried, since they have a lot of time to optimize. My biggest issue as of yet is the UI, it looks better than TW2 for M+K, but I'd love the option to turn of the radial menu (keeping the pause though) and simply using hotkeys only.

All versions were demoed with controller, I think, even if they were playing on PC. We're not sure yet, but if there are two variations of the UI, I would expect it to be controller/K&M rather than console/PC.

 

[huber1989.365]

Yeah, obviously. But we haven't seen anything of it yet. In terms of graphics we know what to expect and everything that has me worried there is a matter of optimization (screen tearing, pop-in, fps drops, walking animations).

 

[Scholdarr]

I want that CD Projekt RED is coming with some comparison on PC vs PS4 or so, am so worried that they wil screw this up for us PC gamers, i just hope they make a well worhty pc succesor from the witcher 2, because the video if seen on the E3, was full of vsync screen tearing and texture pop ups and fps drops, i really just hope that was not the pc version

1) It was the PC version.
2) Screen tearing appeared because there wasn't any VSYNC running.
3) The demo is based on an alpha build without any or much polishing.
4) What do you think they will do in the next 8 months until release??? It's not like they're going to release the game in that state tomorrow...

 

[Foxtrot1994]

All versions were demoed with controller, I think, even if they were playing on PC. We're not sure yet, but if there are two variations of the UI, I would expect it to be controller/K&M rather than console/PC.

I read somewhere they're gonna make 2 types of UI, one console friendly, another PC friendly. Also yes, even the PC demos were played with controller, if you watch the IGN demo, you can see the main menu for a moment, and there was no cursor around.

I want that CD Projekt RED is coming with some comparison on PC vs PS4 or so, am so worried that they wil screw this up for us PC gamers, i just hope they make a well worhty pc succesor from the witcher 2, because the video if seen on the E3, was full of vsync screen tearing and texture pop ups and fps drops, i really just hope that was not the pc version

CDPR screwing up the PC version? Nah man, I bet my right ball that's not gonna happen. And knowing CD Projekt, my ball is safe.

 

[Scholdarr]

I read somewhere they're gonna make 2 types of UI, one console friendly, another PC friendly. Also yes, even the PC demos were played with controller, if you watch the IGN demo, you can see the main menu for a moment, and there was no cursor around.

An unique UI for mouse/keyboard was mentioned in an Eurogamer article from early 2013 only but it was neither officially confirmed yet nor did it appear in any other interview or article about Witcher 3 ever since. If CDPR really makes a second UI for M/K Gamescom is really the last good occason to show it to the crowd and the PC gamers...

This thread really turns in cycles...constant repeat.