The fact you can actually choose between Triss and Yen is CDPR placing precedence on player choice and agency. Just because the romance options in a game are player sexual, doesn't automatically make them incapable of being believable characters, nor does it automatically turn them into sex dolls.
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I would agree if you would've talked about a real person. But to relate any justice to Code that has been given looks and has a .wav attached to it is just not quite right. It just doesnt sit right to make pixels a matter of social justice and or political matters.
It's not just about social justice or political matters, it's about how the character has been written. Representation is important within games but more important is the way characters are crafted and give the illusion of being real. Not everyone is bisexual, and video games should reflect a diverse amount of sexualities if they're video games like this one where they want characters to have a realistic aspect to them.
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Not to mention that this representaion make certain people happy. For years and years male characters had ton of romance options, but when this one time CDPR decided to give something to us, it's "not fair". Come on...
If you people really want to romance Judy, play as femV and let lesbians be happy that we have something for ourselves just THIS ONCE.
ah damn...
ok, i honestly dont care about judy in any case. Panam is bliss and wont change in the near future. XD
Other then that. I never said that they should change Judys preferences and whatnot.
After the follow up from @Vejsa, I now understand what was even meant from the start...
Yeah honestly, years ago when het dudes had all the romances on a gold plate and we had nothing, none of them ever bothered to talk about "playersexuality" but the moment they started adding lesbians or gays suddenly the mood shifted. You say that not because of "equality" but because you want to get with the lesbian.
When we found out Panam is straight, most of the lesbians i've seen said "oh well, she'd make a great friend anyway", heck when i found out i couldn't romance her, I moved on. But for Judy? Holy hell, most of you wouldn't even accept the fact and started talking about playersexuality or making petitions or wanting cdpr to make her bi, or mods which the latter makes no sense because her sex scene (her whole romance, the dialogues in fact) is still set with a woman in mind. Its honestly mindblowing to see all this fuss about a lesbian woman.
I'm glad CDPR gave us such a good written character who happened to be lesbian. Props to that.
You cant change someones sexuality. I was pissed beyond reason when they made Ashley Williams bi.
This is a role playing game. Like in RL there are people who like you, people who think you are obnoxious, and people who think you are funny, or not.
For me this is not a question of representation. I dont give a flying frakk if there is lesbian romance in this game, or if we heterosexual males where taking romances from other sexualities.
It is question of indentity.
If someone is lesbian, she is a lesbian, and i cant believe that i have to explain to someone that rewriting someones indentity, even a character in a video game, or a book, or tv show, or in a movie is wrong.
This is a role playing game. Like in RL there are people who like you, people who think you are obnoxious, and people who think you are funny, or not.
For me this is not a question of representation. I dont give a flying frakk if there is lesbian romance in this game, or if we heterosexual males where taking romances from other sexualities.
It is question of indentity.
If someone is lesbian, she is a lesbian, and i cant believe that i have to explain to someone that rewriting someones indentity, even a character in a video game, or a book, or tv show, or in a movie is wrong.
Ash was never bi. They made Kaidan bi, because BioWare realized gay players had ONLY Cortez in ME3, while lesbians had Liara and Traynor.
Ahem, you mean Kaidan? Idk, but i'm sure Ashley isn't bi. She's still straight.
Also exactly this. Representation is important to me, personally, but in games like this the characters have their set sexuality and that is that.
Edit: Kaiden was made bi, I believe
Fun fact, they did the same with Jaal. He was only female option but they patched it and made him bisexual. What's odd is that there were already existing lines of him with a male but didn't release it.
Well then why can't my character shoot laser beams out of his eyes and become supreme leader of the universe? Fucking CD Projekt red not meeting up to my expectations of player choice.
Player choice and agency has to do with writing a game so that your character can change their motivations and actions depending on the person controlling it, not that they can bend the game universe to their will. Besides which, in this game you don't even have the agency to make choices on a grand scale. The motivations of V are already predetermined. This game has a defined story and the characters are defined thusly. The game allows you to do what the creators allow you to do, nothing beyond that.
Sure, this is not real life, but much like real life there are many things in this game beyond your control. Asking for this specific thing to be changed because they dislike the fact that a character isn't sexually available for them under their demands says something troubling about the mentality of these people, game or not.
Yeah, but it was different. There were already bisexual lines for him and other stuff. It wasn't created from scratch and they didn't retcon anything regarding the character.Fun fact, they did the same with Jaal. He was only female option but they patched it and made him bisexual. What's odd is that there were already existing lines of him with a male but didn't release it.
Yeah, the odd thing was that they originally made him straight so i don't understand why they didn't first release him as bi, as he was originally intended to be.
I'm annoyed cuz i was trying to play as a straight girl and every encounter i have with a man he is souped up to be stereotypically gay.
I wanted to chime in with some of the things said here.
I agree that if a character was written as Lesbian, they should be kept as such, changing this aspect for the sake of bratty players would lose a lot of respect for CDPR to my eyes and it might as well be down right offensive to lose the integrity of such a well written character.
To those saying "Judy (or whoever) should be bi because it makes no difference to the story" that's where you are wrong and shows you have lack of understanding of how sexual orientation expectations affects our daily lives, like some girls are forced to play with dolls even though they want to play with toy cars and love football, likewise boys who wants to play with a tea set or try dresses are denied because in their parents mind this will "turn" them gay. Finally even the way you talk to people assuming their gender orientation can sometimes feel oppressive, like when you tell a small boy "What kind of girls you like?" forcing them no verbal alternative for fear of saying something that would ridicule them, because parents are too afraid to ask the real question "Do you want to have a boyfriend or girlfriend".
Basically asking for a lesbian character to be bi, is just as gross as to ask a straight girl to be bi just for your own preference (either because you want to have a threesome or in this case wants to see some lesbian pixel banging).
I agree that if a character was written as Lesbian, they should be kept as such, changing this aspect for the sake of bratty players would lose a lot of respect for CDPR to my eyes and it might as well be down right offensive to lose the integrity of such a well written character.
To those saying "Judy (or whoever) should be bi because it makes no difference to the story" that's where you are wrong and shows you have lack of understanding of how sexual orientation expectations affects our daily lives, like some girls are forced to play with dolls even though they want to play with toy cars and love football, likewise boys who wants to play with a tea set or try dresses are denied because in their parents mind this will "turn" them gay. Finally even the way you talk to people assuming their gender orientation can sometimes feel oppressive, like when you tell a small boy "What kind of girls you like?" forcing them no verbal alternative for fear of saying something that would ridicule them, because parents are too afraid to ask the real question "Do you want to have a boyfriend or girlfriend".
Basically asking for a lesbian character to be bi, is just as gross as to ask a straight girl to be bi just for your own preference (either because you want to have a threesome or in this case wants to see some lesbian pixel banging).
My bad, someone told me they did that and i didnt check on it.Fun fact, they did the same with Jaal. He was only female option but they patched it and made him bisexual. What's odd is that there were already existing lines of him with a male but didn't release it.
I usualy dont go i into romance discoussions and dont pay much attention to it. I just saw title of this thread and went ballistic.
I hate stuff like this, just imagine if they make James Bond gay. If that would piss you off, how bout we dont go around sugesting that we make gay person straight because she looks great in diving suit.
Also, quest like that would make really big waves and is fits into cyberpunk setting. And I think that we would all agree that that would be rape.
Why are you only asking for Judy to be bisexual? Surely you should be asking for all the romances to be bisexual so eveyone gets an equal number romances
I couldn't romance Garrus with MShep in Mass Effect or Cassandra with a female Inquisitor in Dragon Age, I couldn't care less about straight people not being able to romance Judy
I couldn't romance Garrus with MShep in Mass Effect or Cassandra with a female Inquisitor in Dragon Age, I couldn't care less about straight people not being able to romance Judy
only asked her to be bisexual cause shes the only 1 who has the most amazing storyline and character development, the other romance option feels rushed and force and lacks content after last mission unlike judy who even have more content even after her last mission unless CDPR update the other romance option, add more story, emotion, character development, and content then I wouldnt be asking her to be bisexual anymore.
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