@SigilFey
We discussed that Evelyn was too far gone, and would have found a way barring physical restraint. Why some people seem to think V has some obligation to save her life is beyond me. V did what they said would be done, and got the information needed though Judy. At that point, we have no ties to the situation besides those we choose.
It's not an obligation. It's an option. Intepretation! Freedom of choice! Role-playing!
Even for required missions, almost all of them are wildly open to the player determining what motivations are driving V.
But no one interpretation is "final". Everything that makes sense is a valid interpretation.
It's exactly my thought, Evy want/decide to die (I said it few times...). Whatever Judy or V could/want do, she would have found a way to do it. In short, you can't help someone who don't want to be help.
At least, the only solution in this case, it could have been to lock her up in a empty room with a straitjacket... But is it a "solution" ? It could really help her ?
In any case, like in some other cases in the game, there is nothing V can do (like for Joshua, whatever V can say, he's trully decided to die...)
Sorry -- I missed it! I only pop into this discussion here and there.
And exactly. I feel that Judy was trying to save "them". Love can be selfish. Actually, love, by its very nature, is inherently selfish. The tragedy is simply that there was nothing she (or anyone else) could have done. Evelyn was already destroyed. Judy could really do nothing but drive her away or simply be with her until the end.
By that logic the existence of suicide prevention wards in psychiatric hospitals would be deeply unethical (which they aren't).
And that's why suicide prevention will not "lock people up". In order to use it, the person contemplating suicide must willingly seek it out. Some good it does to shackle someone to prevent their suicide, then mentally crack them so that have to remain chained up forever or they start developing aggression toward others instead.
The only thing that can ever be done for someone in danger of suicide is give them open doors to walk through. That, sadly, while most often quite effective, is neither perfect, nor does it work even when handled as perfectly as possible. There are too many different psychologies out there for anything to ever be 100% universal.
For Ev, she was a prostitute whose singular point of dignity was that she had worked her way up in the world to achieve at least some measure of respect as a prostitute. But she still sold her body for profit. That does not come without some incredibly heavy baggage, as well as scars that don't heal. After the "kidnapping", even that shred of identity and dignity was completely destroyed. No matter what, she would have to carry that experience around with her and remain with the knowledge that she had been completely and utterly violated and debased. Used with absolutely no consideration for herself as a simple human being.
When things like that happen, people don't "get over it". Truly there are only two types of people in the world at that point:
1.) Someone willing to fight against any odds and die on their feet. To rise from the ashes seek reckoning for what they suffered, without fear. (We know from the very first BD that Evelyn is not this person.)
2.) Someone that will be crushed by losing everything that they were holding onto. All illusions and ideals forever shattered, and all worth and sense of moving forward erased by the memories of everything they lost. It affects even the things they still have. What is Judy's love worth when she will never be able to return it without a sense of revulsion? She'll never be able to feel a lover's touch again without it also recalling everything that was done to her. People like this linger for a while, maybe, but almost always destroy themselves in the end (substance abuse, mental disorders, or suicide).
It's not Judy's fault.
Why does V care? That's up to the player. Is their character someone like Judy -- a fighter? Someone like Evelyn -- there's just no point to carrying on? Or someone like the people that kidnapped Ev -- they don't care or even draw masochistic pleasure from it?
Tough choices. Really amazing vision of what the Cyberpunk universe would really mean.
