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Just finished the game. Feeling kind of empty + impressions and remarks (spoilers)

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Nexus-77

Nexus-77

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Feb 13, 2014
Just finished the game. Feeling kind of empty + impressions and remarks (spoilers)

Last night I finished The Witcher 2 on hard, fighting with my Dancer and Deithwen swords, wearing that great Vran armor + Elder Blood Trousers, gauntlets and boots. Needless to say I feel kind of empty right now. Excited by the endings I got but kind of empty (first I saved Triss and then played again and helped Roche. Helping him with Anais and then making a covenant with Radovid and John Natalis is my official personal ending).
I started playing The Witcher 1 in the end of September so I've been in Geralt's world for almost 5 months now.

The Witcher 1 is all about atmosphere. I loved that game. So peaceful at times, it was just a pleasure just walking around Vizima's outskirts or Murky Water and 'enjoy' the landspcapes while listening to some good music. The impact of the day and night in that game is very noticeably, with creatures appearing only at night, others during the day, etc, with people in their homes at night or working during the day. Not to mention how beautiful it was during dusk or dawn. The combat system was not that bad. It was fun and the game felt more like a traditional RPG I think. So many funny and beautiful moments there, like Geralt's reaction to Adam's poem, that old lady at Shani's house or when Geralt meet the Lady of The Lake. And the cards didn't bother me at all by the way. Kind of juvenile but really harmless, made me laugh at times.

The Witcher 2 is just awsome. The game is even more beautiful than The Witcher 1 (I thought that wouldn't be possible but it was). Really, I could make some paintings out of those imponent frozen mountains or beautiful forests. Those guys in CDPR are really talented and perfectionist.
The music had some really good moments. The combat system is really engaging, satisfying and realistic if you learn it well (my Geralt was mainly a swordsman/alchemist and, of course, a fan of Quen). Anyway, I loved to parry and block my enemie's blows just to listen the swords striking, it was so cool and addictive. The story in The Witcher 2 is in another level. Really good story and I can say the final chapter, with all the political intrigue, was one the best things I ever played. At times I felt like in one of those old swashbuckler films, like El Cid or Ivanhoe. And some of the characters are really captivating, like Roche, John Natalis and even Letho (that final conversation is so ultimately cool). The voice actors are all great, all suited to their roles. I couldn't imagine anyone in Doug Cockle's place, because for me Geralt is not exactly a histrionic guy.

One of the few things I could criticize in this game are the females characters. Ok, I have to say I didn't follow Iorveth path, so I don't know about Saskia or Philippa. But based on what I played, I'd like to point out some things about the ladies. First: their faces (with some exceptions) all look the same with some variations (eye and hair colour, clothes). Men are so different and full of personality – some remind me Rembrandt's characters, seriously. But women apparently were not given the proper attention. Besides, I know The Witcher Series depicts a misogynist world, but it doesn't mean all women have to be so... meh. Síla is not a good antagonist, apparently she and other sorceressess started it all, but ultimatly she's a fool. Triss literaly disappears in the The Witcher 2 and Ves, enlisted in the Blue Stripes Unit, is found crying after Henselt raped her. I'm not saying rape isn't awfull and crying and feeling humiliated like Ves felt isn't the common reaction, because it is. But Ves is not a common lady, is she? I didn't find it believable. She sees all her friends being killed and she is raped by the King without any reaction. Ok, it's the King but still makes no sense. She's a brute, she knew how to use a sword, she was raised in a brutal world, since the beggining of the game it's said she's a tough lady and reacting and maybe killing the King would make her have a real role in this story – for the better or the worst. But then she reacts like a damsel. Nothing against damsels, but isn't she an exception? I didn't get it. This is not a feminist rant, ok? But even in mysoginist societies there were a few great women (Queen Elizabeth, Catherine The Great, Marie Curie – the only human being that gained two Nobels in two different areas - Mary Shelley and so many others... and nowadays all the ladies fighting in modern armies, police force, etc.). Please, CDPR, don't be afraid to show us some interesting / clever or strong women – it is not that “unrealistic”. Of course it is a mysoginist world that is being presented in these games, I get it. Also, men are physically superior, of course. But still women can have more talents than beautiful bodies and I really wished they had a more significant presence. Nothing against beautiful bodies by the way.
I wish too there were more interactions with your friends overall. Roche for example is a great character but you have only few interactions with him, especially in chapter two.

But that said, I have to emphasize that I find The Witcher Saga one of the best I've ever played. Chapter 3 in TW2 is just perfection. And when I finish something good like The Witcher 2 I feel kind of sad as if I just lost a good friend or at least a good companion. Cant wait for The Witcher 3.
 
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vivaxardas2015

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Feb 13, 2014
Well, you don't see too many ladies on Roche's path. You got to play Iorveth's path in order to see Philipa and Saskia in their full glory.

Ves' reaction was understandable. She had to go along because Henselt told her to behave if she wished to see her comrades again. So, technically, she wasn't forcefully raped when an assailant has to overcome resistance of a victim (more like brutally coerced, and taken advantage of in the worst possible way). But as it turned out, Blue Stripes have been hanged despite what Henselt told her. I don't think she was crying about being raped, but about death of her friends, and that she was deceived and simply used like a whore.

I like how Sile is presented. It does not matter that Letho deceived her because he managed to deceive everyone, Iorveth included. I disagree that in order to show strong female characters they should always win, while male characters may be deceive or beaten, and it would be fine. Concerning Sile, CDPR did her as much justice as any leading male character. Triss' adventures were a part of a story, and it is fine too. It would be a completely different story without this development, and it raised a lot of interesting issues concerning the Lodge, and its members.
 
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Sirnaq

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#3
Feb 13, 2014
Take some time and replay tw2 on iorveth path, you will be satisfied.
 
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jerf.674

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#4
Feb 13, 2014
@tiadelamare
Now start reading the books by Andrzej Sapkowski, seriously :listen:

You won't be dissatisfied, believe me. There is a problem that not all books were translated into English officially and even the available English translations are not that perfect. I don't know if they were translated into Portuguese, so you might want to check this. I know that they were all translated into Spanish, and I heard that the translations are very good.

But even the English translations of the books, while not perfect as translations, are completely worth it.

The order to read the books is the following one:
1. The Last Wish
2. Sword of Destiny
3. Blood of Elves
4. Times of Contempt
5. Baptism of Fire
6. The Swallow's Tower
7. Lady of the Lake

For the 1st, 3rd and 4th books there are now official English translations available; fan translations of all the other ones can be found here, they are good enough.
 
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Tutux

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#5
Feb 13, 2014
I agree on everything :") Witcher one with its hunting music and that underworld, crime-drama. And the smart politics in the Witcher 2. I played with Roach, I've always wanted to spend more friendly times together :3 I mean when we parted at the end that was kind of sad. I want to know what has happened to him without his friend, king, and country. I'm on ch. 2 with Iorveth's path, still waiting to see what will happen.-side note, I don't usually do that or criticize for no reason, the only woman probably I don't like is Saskia (note that I even like antagonist women or evil ones I don't side with only good or bad) every woman at least had something to them, I know Saskia has a story too but not that what I don't like, I just don't like her personality~ :3 the peasants give her too much credit that sometimes I believe all of them are fools lol I find it unrealistic in my way~in her story, I liked the most how the sorceresses wanted her "power" as a dragon or her fight against Henselt (as voice-acting here). As I said her story is fine, I just don't feel how powerful she is or find her anything interesting :[ the only woman that passes and I don't want even to talk to her.
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#6
Feb 13, 2014
Totally disagree about the women, the Witcher's are one of the few games that have strong, clever and self motivated females in them, whereas with other games you have supposedly strong women being slaves to the protagonist, unable to pursue matters on their own, serving no other purpose than to be copulated with and lets face it almost functionally retarded. Sile, Philippa, Triss and the other ladies of the Lodge are trying to shape the world for the better making kings and princes dance, Anezka is proudly weaving her witchcraft needing nobody by her side or in her bed, Margo is bravely seeking revenge despite the dangers of a beast such as Loredo discovering her treachery, Anais is determined to right the wrongs that have been done to her despite her tender years, the women of the Scoiatael face torture to try and strike at the humans etcetera.

This is but a small selection of the huge amount of strong, potent and unique women in the second game, each looking, sounding and acting nothing like each other, if you ask me more games want to try and make their female characters interesting and powerful rather than sickeningly brain dead love interests.

If the Witchers suffer from anything it's casting men in too bad of a light, Loredo is walking slime that infects everything he touches, but I wouldn't ask for this to be changed as he was a gloriously well written and crafted character. Indeed i don't see anything harmful in the far more negative portrayal that men suffer in the games, reminds us of what Geralt stands for and his quiet determination, that and on the whole i'm not a whiner.
 
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jerf.674

Forum veteran
#7
Feb 13, 2014
@tutux
You might want to put a spoiler tag on some parts of your post.

It's not revealed that Saskia is a dragon during Roche's path (as far as I remember).
 
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dragonbird

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#8
Feb 14, 2014
Moved to the Plot and Quest discussion :)

And yes @tiadelamare , playing the Iorveth path would let you see the strong women. It's worth doing.
 
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Jack_in_the-Green

Forum veteran
#9
Feb 14, 2014
Guess we have another convert... :p
I am sooo glad you like the games, Tia; I enjoyed your very short series of Witcher videos in you-tube as well, let me tell you. :) Too bad you had to end them... I'm the one who commented with ultra fanboy information... :p

I encourage you as well to play Iorveth's path, it's more of a classic epic story... Roche's instead, has more dark overtones, which is fine as well.

Regarding "misoginy"... I think if any it's the fiirst game the one which is more guilty about it. The second one is really a breath of fresh air, like Bloth says, though you would had to experience both paths to really see it. :)

Also give the books a chance... Dandelion is a great book character (while in the games he comes forward as merely an ass) and Yennefer is also a great female character, very ambiguous and alluring, very rich character with many facets. :)
 
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Nexus-77

Nexus-77

Rookie
#10
Feb 14, 2014
Ok, reading your remarks, Vivaxardas, made me look at Ves with more generous eyes...
About Síla... maybe you're right but I just wanted to see her acting more, I don't know. But then again, this game is awesome and those are minors things for me that really didn't prevent me to love Geralt and his world - sometimes unfair and cruel, but beautiful and realistic.
 
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Nexus-77

Rookie
#11
Feb 14, 2014
Sirnaq said:
Take some time and replay tw2 on iorveth path, you will be satisfied.
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That's my drama... I want to play Iorveth's path but from tomorrow on I'll simply not have the time. I'll try it in a few months, I have a good save in chapter 2 (1), right before the choice between Roche and Iorveth.
 
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Nexus-77

Nexus-77

Rookie
#12
Feb 14, 2014
Thank you for the link, Jerf. Actually I'm really planning on reading the books before playing The Witcher 3.
 
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Nexus-77

Nexus-77

Rookie
#13
Feb 14, 2014
Blothulfur, you're insightfull as always. It's not that I want to see a fem Shepard in this game, nothing of this. Just females that impact the story a little bit more, but than again, as you remind, they do impact (the Lodge). Thing is... it should be shown a little more perhaps? I know it had to be a secret but... at least in the end they could 'act' more...
Ok, maybe I'm whinning a little, it's true. The game is awesome. :)
And there are men who are really likeable in this game, like Roche (even that he is sometimes surprisingly too violent - the way he killed Dethmold made me cringe a little), John Natalis (absolute noble soul), Geralt himself. But then you speak about women (Anezka, Margo...) that I never heard of so I'll have to play this game again in the future, that for sure.

ps: forgot about Cedric. Another noble soul.
 
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Nexus-77

Nexus-77

Rookie
#14
Feb 14, 2014
Hey, Jack! Thank you for enjoying those videos. :)
And I remember you. Thank you for your posts. ;)
My problem is my connection: those videos took forever to upload so I had to give them up.
Yes, I have to say I didn't like Dandelion very much in TW1, I liked him much more in TW2, definitely. I loved the way you could 'read' your missions and I liked his narrative.
Within some months I'm planning reading at least some of the books and playing Iorveth's path, thank you man.
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#15
Feb 14, 2014
Not saying you're whining Tia saying I don't do so, on this point anyway, now when it comes to championing Ultima... Anyway I like the plot being subtle and the Lodge even more so, they almost succeed in taking a country in this quiet way. If you want sheer brute power on the Roche path then look to Sabrina Gelvissig, who was frequently known to bully Henselt into silence, destroyed a good majority of two armies and struck at him from beyond death. The ladies of the Lodge are terrifyingly potent when revealed, and massively influential when hidden in the shadows.
 
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CostinRaz

Banned
#16
Feb 19, 2014
OP I agree with you Ves to an extent, I think what they did with her was just to make Henselt an uber prick so you would almost always want to kill him. Big surprise most people let Roche kill him.
 
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vivaxardas2015

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Feb 19, 2014
Costin said:
OP I agree with you Ves to an extent, I think what they did with her was just to make Henselt an uber prick so you would almost always want to kill him. Big surprise most people let Roche kill him.
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With this I agree. But, if to think about a big picture, it was actually pretty good. People get all emotional and wrathful, so they just go ahead and finish Letho's contract for the glory of the Great Sun, and, as a result, Kaedwen and Aedirn are both in chaos, and the North is screwed. This pretty much guarantees that a great many men, women, and children will be raped, brutalized, and murdered there. This is quite a shift from another "obvious" choice, with Abigal, because the consequences for a seemingly right thing to do (kill Henselt) are pretty damning.
 
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CostinRaz

Banned
#18
Feb 19, 2014
a seemingly right thing to do (kill Henselt) are pretty damning.
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I disagree that killing Henselt is seemingly the right thing to do. Do I want Geralt to become an an accomplice to a regicide when he spent the entire game clearing his name? Do I want Roche to become the very thing he is hunting? Do I want another country to fall in chaos and civil war?

All of these have nothing to do with Nilfgaard, and you do know all of them as a player. Of course people don't think about this because they are narrow minded.
 
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vivaxardas2015

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Feb 20, 2014
Costin said:
I disagree that killing Henselt is seemingly the right thing to do.
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Well, I am not saying that it IS a right thing to do, but it SEEMS like a right thing to do. It seems right to punish a rapist, who also just executed nearly all of the people you allied with. CDPR did a marvelous job here. On a personal level Henselt is a pig, and he behaves like there is no tomorrow exactly because on the grand scheme of things he is a very capable ruler, and a very important figure, who safeguards his realm and the entire North. But he believes it gives him license to do whatever a hell he wants. A good reason to kill him may be that the man like this might on a log run cause more pain and suffering that even chaos in Kaedwen and Aedirn. In such case the decision to kill him may not be so bad. Unfortunately, under the circumstances, it is going to be very damaging.
I doubt very much though that most people who chose to kill him gave this decision any considerations except a revenge for Ves and Blue Stripes.
When I played for the North (very-very long ago, before I pledged my allegiance to the Empire and its interests) I obviously spared him. But now I always kill him though it kinda pains me because I like him (though I would beat him unconscious and would make sure he would scream every time he pees, for a month, at least, for what he did to Ves).
 
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HeelPower

Rookie
#20
Feb 20, 2014
Great point about Ves.That's why I just don't like her that much.

Given her character I think she would rather fight back and die then give her self up the way she did to henselt. She isn't supposed to be that weak willed.

When she fought geralt he said she was exceptionally good.She should have died in that scene rather than raped.

I hope female characters and relationships are better in TW3.

I don't like how all female characters are over beautified and samey looking as well.

Yeah sorceresses make themselves look hot and that's alright but what about the rest of the world ?

Philippa is the best female character in the game,however.
 
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