Keanu-Punk 2077

[flippimonkey]

V's brain should just reject Johnny the more you disagree with him, fight him, annoy him.

I wish I could go back in time and slap some sense into CD red about how to approach this...

We could have had a cool "V" vs. Keanu cyberspace/mind-battle as bossfight...

Totally!! A weird mind fight like in Dark City. Where you have to stare really really hard at one another. Lol! j/k

Seriously though, I final fight with him in cyber space after you get separated. I actually thought that might be a thing. That or fight Alt, which I thought was more of a possibility.

I was very surprised at how much Johnny was actually in the game. Dude is like all up in your head. Some real dick moments, especially in the beginning. I was like fuck this guy. Can I take all the "stop Johnny" pills now please? But man there are some moments during side quests that he really shines.

Had other systems been put in place like pursuits, factions, and character background influence, he could have had more input and commentary. If the pills were something the player could control how often he shows up. Shut him up and possibly miss some important detail or observation, or hear him all the time and deal with his "rocker boy" shiz.

Weird side note: Remember N64 Castlevania? There was a merchant you could buy stuff from. If you spent enough he reappeared later in the game. He would reveal himself (itself) as the Devil. You had to just stumble on this. Well there is a guy who preaches outside V's apartment I think. I gave him a 100 eurodollars every time I crossed his path and a handful of times intentionally. Nothing happened. I probably didn't give him enough, but I hope that if a player does he runs off and commits some crazy terrorist act. Or maybe he leave cuz he has enough to get out of the city and he thanks you. IDK, but I like things like. A seeming normal act that can lead to unexpected consequences. It's not a choice if there aren't consequences.

Johnny could have been that. You really think a particular action or choice is insignificant, and then BAM! Johnny takes you through time in a phone booth to show you his life. Crazy shit man.

 

[hulkman2456]

Marketing still has "The Chip that grants eternal life" and "Everyone will be after you to get their hands on it" which was the marketing prior to the Keanu reveal.

Questions will be asked, I doubt they'll be answered - but - all of the strongest parts of the game are when Johnny isn't around.

I mean that is in the game. The problem is. It's useless to us, story wise. The Relic chip is enternal life. Your engrams are moved from your brain to the chip. Which than can be stored forever. Moved to a dead body. Or maybe in future time a fully artifical body. Making you live forever. We don't care about it. Because we're being killed by it.

 

[jindale444]

They even changed the whole main story. Just for him.
He was never meant to be one of the main characters in the begeining of development. (Till 2018 if I'm not mistaken)
And the game "evolved" from RPG to looter-shooter, with "one time" linear story.
And that leads us to a conclusion, that the actual development was going on for like.. 2 years? And before that were just concepts, "bulding" a city, etc..

indeed it seems that way. I'm getting ff15 again with this one.
ah dammit. I've been had twice.

 

[johny_globus]

I didn't like Johnny as a character at all. His random appearances were a waste of time for me. I would rather prefer him being a new partner like Jackie

 

[--Kory--]

*SPOILER
I was seriously looking for the moment I could get rid of Silverhand for good. Not saying I didn't like him as a character, but playing as V without a ghost stalker of the past, with a sort of freedom was my goal. But unfortunately, not only would that continue, but V is dying and then ultimately dies....game over.

 

[Solidus2kill]

The story in this game is so narrow. I am not blaming the Chosen One. He is amazing throughout the game, but why did the story have to revolve around Silverhand?

Dude would have been great as your "Dick Head" conscious that chirps at you and fills you in on the world, its history, and current state. Maybe even pretend stroke it randomly when you get with an NPC. Some of his best moments aren't even in the main story quest. Silverhand's quests are okay, but nothing to write home about. Instead we get pigeon holed into a linear story and a theme park world. Dude wasn't even a part of the game until a couple years ago.

Which genius suit thought that was a good idea? "Hey guys! Instead of making the game we promised, let's get Keanu to play Silverhand and make that the focus. That way the gamers will be so enthralled with "The One" they won't see we have nothing." (E3 2019 anyone?) So instead of paying the people in the trenches making this game, you went out and got a movie star.

Keanu is not to be misused this way people! And 20 bucks says he wouldn't have minded no being the focus as long as he still got to be an "Asshole" to the player, run his mouth about deep shniz, and generally be the god in the machine. Cuz he is great at it.

me about corporate "fuckery", a lot of corporate "fuckery" went into (cl)ucking it up.

Because Johnny Silverhand is literally the canon main character of the tabletop rpg lore, so deal with it.

 

[LiquidStateFear]

Next stop on the hate train, too much Johnny silver hand.

This community lol.

Hating on the game is hip right now, you just gotta find sth and make a thread about it.

 

[StarkHelsing]

Because Johnny Silverhand is literally the canon main character of the tabletop rpg lore, so deal with it.

Except, in 2077 - in the 2018/2019 gameplay. Johnny Silverhand was dead. He died a YEAR before the game was set in 2076. This isn't about them pandering to your lore here. They only did it to have Keanu star power. Even then, why the heck should he also be the 'main character' over the actual protag that is you? How does *that* make sense in the terms of RPG?

 

[flippimonkey]

Because Johnny Silverhand is literally the canon main character of the tabletop rpg lore, so deal with it.

My point: The way the story is now it very narrow and linear. That's not what they advertised. I clearly said keep Silverhand just make the story branching and with actual choice / consequence. As it was advertised.

Stick to the point please.

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Points of reference.

 

[warbaby2]

This could be fixed with more screen time for V, with her companions and alone, without johnny. Silverhand has more screen time than V and she/he is the protagonist.

I'd go even further then that: Relegate the whole biochip storyline to an optional, "darkside path" quest chain that COULD end up killing V, but restore the rest of the game to what it was supposed to be... not gonna happen, I know.

 

[flippimonkey]

I'd be fine with everything up to where "the chip is killing you". That's where I would start making my changes.........

I thought for sure it would lead to unlocking the blank attribute slot. I really did. The chip can just have a consequence. It is going to tie V into the net so he can go beyond the black wall. He can deny Johhny, accept him completely, or forge a balance. Those 3 choices are shaped by your interactions with him and with the world. This is where Factions would be nice. Along the way you can deal with the corps and piss him off. Deal with the gangs and make him happy. Deal with the fixers to have mixed reactions. Deal with Net Watch / Government mixed bag. Small things like how much you party, drink, smoke, and your life style could influence the connection. And you can be direct with the Misty pills. Even have a choice to buy more from her.

So much is missed. So much. It is such a shame.

Who else is tired of being a mad genius?

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Spoiler: Ending Choice Chart

 

[hildegard_von_b]

*spoiler

Don't mind Johnny too much, but I wish we could just get rid of him and stay in Night City to properly explore it as just V without the "Relic Malfunction" drama. The story of removing the chip should only be the beginning for a setting as deep and vast as the one we get in this game. Instead, we just rush through it all with Johnny interrupting us a bunch, and then it's done and dusted. It was also a major dick move to allow Johnny to survive in your body without a time limit in one of the endings, but if V wants their body back, that carries major health implications that potentially kill them in 6 months. Feels like being back at school and being forced to apologise to your bully. Thanks, but no thanks. V deserved better.

 

[moonknightgog]

The game is so much focused on Johnny Silverhand that it even disrespects the lore

Spoiler

by removing Morgan Blackhand and making the assault on the Arasaka Tower entirely a Cyberpunk John Wick

 

[jahkin]

The game is so much focused on Johnny Silverhand that it even disrespects the lore

Spoiler

by removing Morgan Blackhand and making the assault on the Arasaka Tower entirely a Cyberpunk John Wick

To be fair ... what we see on that attack is from Johnny's mind and viewpoint, not an official documentary. And Johnny is ... well, first, its not the "real" Johnny anymore, but one that got engramed and stored i nMikoshi friedge...and he is a self-serving egoistical asshole ... so one could argue Blackhand ... just wasn't important to him, his conscious just erased him...would actually fit his character.

If that is wanted or the intention though...hm...debatable for sure. But don't see it as a scandalous lorebreaking fuckup ...

 

[warbaby2]

To be fair ... what we see on that attack is from Johnny's mind and viewpoint, not an official documentary. And Johnny is ... well, first, its not the "real" Johnny anymore, but one that got engramed and stored i nMikoshi friedge...and he is a self-serving egoistical asshole ... so one could argue Blackhand ... just wasn't important to him, his conscious just erased him...would actually fit his character.

If that is wanted or the intention though...hm...debatable for sure. But don't see it as a scandalous lorebreaking fuckup ...

Possible... still, the assault was no one man show, and as awesome as Johnny allegedly was, he still was no one man army.
That's why he probably also wasn't the sole focus of the story before, well, they Keanufied him...

 

[Garrison72]

Expanding his role, at the last minute no less, was a major red flag that no one was talking about. Until now of course. Only a few of us here on the forums saw it as a potential problem. Turns out, rewriting and redesigning at the tail end of a project is a really bad idea. It's also the most vapid, fanboy move I've ever seen a studio make. And one I still can't believe CDPR did. It's as if their own artistic vision mattered less than shoehorning a celebrity into the game.

 

[jahkin]

Possible... still, the assault was no one man show, and as awesome as Johnny allegedly was, he still was no one man army.
That's why he probably also wasn't the sole focus of the story before, well, they Keanufied him...

My point is yes, it was not a one man show in reality. But we see not reality, we see the events through Mr. Rockerboy-I-am-the-coolest-MF-around Silverhand. Johnny is an unreliable narrator so to speak here, and if yo ucompare the ral events and what is in johnny's head, it just shows what a narcissist here truly is ...

 

[o0TapeDeck0o]

To me it would've made more sense if the Silverhand angle was left to the end of the story. I feel that the Heist mission should've been the final mission (rewritten to be a suitable epilogue).

His gun, car and clothes can still stick around as being mementos given to V from Rogue and Kerry. Hell they would've done better if those flashback sequences were from Rogue's and Kerry's perspectives. Sprinkle in a few more teases here and there and then V and Jackie go about the Heist mission. V wakes up in the landfill and that's when Johnny reveals himself just like the E3 trailer and BAM roll credits.

That way you have a beautiful segue into future DLC where there you can focus on Johnny. V and crew have more screen time to evolve and become fully realized. Night City would have more time as well to become a true to life living breathing entity filled with things to do and lastly, the story wouldn't have to lean on the Johnny Silverhand crutch.​

 

[moonknightgog]

To me it would've made more sense if the Silverhand angle was left to the end of the story. I feel that the Heist mission should've been the final mission (rewritten to be a suitable epilogue).

His gun, car and clothes can still stick around as being mementos given to V from Rogue and Kerry. Hell they would've done better if those flashback sequences were from Rogue's and Kerry's perspectives. Sprinkle in a few more teases here and there and then V and Jackie go about the Heist mission. V wakes up in the landfill and that's when Johnny reveals himself just like the E3 trailer and BAM roll credits.

That way you have a beautiful segue into future DLC where there you can focus on Johnny.​

Wow, that would've been absolutely awful.

 

[warbaby2]

To me it would've made more sense if the Silverhand angle was left to the end of the story. I feel that the Heist mission should've been the final mission (rewritten to be a suitable epilogue).

His gun, car and clothes can still stick around as being mementos given to V from Rogue and Kerry. Hell they would've done better if those flashback sequences were from Rogue's and Kerry's perspectives. Sprinkle in a few more teases here and there and then V and Jackie go about the Heist mission. V wakes up in the landfill and that's when Johnny reveals himself just like the E3 trailer and BAM roll credits.

That way you have a beautiful segue into future DLC where there you can focus on Johnny. V and crew have more screen time to evolve and become fully realized. Night City would have more time as well to become a true to life living breathing entity filled with things to do and lastly, the story wouldn't have to lean on the Johnny Silverhand crutch.​

Pretty much, yea... I just would have put the heist somewhere in the last 3rd of the game - start of Act 3, or something, and focused the rest of the game on V and their crew trying to clear V's name of Soburo's murder and taking down Arasaka in the process, which - in turn - would have been a nice analogue to what Johnny and his crew tried to do 50 years ago. Heck, they could even have left in the biochip with Johnnie's engram as sort of an "inspiration" for V, effectively making Silverhand "part of their crew", so to speak, but just not with the added, gimmicky "race for V's life" element taking over/dragging down the narrative. Going against the most powerful mega-corp in the world with whatever support from the city V can muster at their back, would have been more then anough for a final act storyline, especially considering the they would have spent two thirds of the game before that gaining a position in the city, making contacts and allies...