Knew they'd nerf.

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I think they nerfed the swords too. My Daystar and Tor Zirael had 7-8 rune slots each I think, now they have 3 after the patch. I don't care if they lowered the rune slots, I want the runes back they stole from the swords! Oh well. I'd rather they fix the Vernon Roche bug before they try and balance the game.
 
Meh didn't even notice the nerf, im doing a jack of all trades spec as to not overpower myself, so i only have igni speced up to the alternate sign mode and i find myself using it a lot still.
 
I think they nerfed the swords too. My Daystar and Tor Zirael had 7-8 rune slots each I think, now they have 3 after the patch. I don't care if they lowered the rune slots, I want the runes back they stole from the swords! Oh well. I'd rather they fix the Vernon Roche bug before they try and balance the game.

No swords has 7-8 runes. You must have got a cheat style mod to do it. Again do not blame devs for this when you went ahead and modded it.
 
I was walking through the kitchen and my elbow bumped something on the counter, next thing I know a carton of milking is tumbling towards the ground. Lands, smashes, and now there is milk everywhere. So my first question is, who the hell put that milk there?!? Milk belongs in the fridge. So I hunt down my wife and let her know that if she keeps putting things in places that I don't like I'm gonna find a new wife. For reals.

Joking aside, what's the big deal? Just buy the 1,000 crown potion and respec, or continue using igni to set things on fire, then bash them with your sword while they burn. At some point, if you are really serious about boycotting CDPR, you'll have to give this argument up and just leave. Otherwise we're all gonna know your just having a hissy.

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And I definitely would not call Witcher 3 a hack and slash. Try mashing buttons on DM and you'll die everytime, even with drowners. Dodging and rolling to get in one or two hits at a time is essential.

I could understand the shock of being jolted from the ease of an igni build were one solution worked for every problem into one were you have to make several decisions at once for most problems, but who knows, maybe the new challenge will develop you in exciting new ways if you just buck up and try it?
 
The arrogance that "it wasn't in the patch notes" is amusing. You bought the 1.0 version of the game and that is what you are entitled to. You can always take it upon yourself to roll back. CDPR is not under any obligation to continue patching or provide free DLC to you.

The XP Bug on XB1 wasn't in the advertisements or any release notes either and I patiently waited for a fix to happen which did. If you turn down the flamethrower of tears and articulate your argument is an adult and respectful way its is possible that CDPR may listen because they have demonstrated themselves to be an attentive DEV thus far with this title.

First off..1.0 is not playable..there are too many bugs to even TRY to get thru the game. I found that out the hard way. There is no excuse for releasing a game so damn buggy it can't be played thru without a day one patch, not to mention 5 more damn patches!! People have gotten to the point where they accept sub-par crap upon release and just wait for the plethora of patches that follows to be able to play the game the way it should have been played in the first damn place!!

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The crappy thing is, when they nerf something, they should then refund all points spent so you can re spec w/o having to drop the orens on a potion. Also, not mentioning several things in the patch notes is garbage. Another unmentioned nerf is the upping of lvl requirements on witcher school gear. Especially for those who were wearing it only to log back in naked because they no longer meet the requirement to wear this gear.. That probably pisses me off most of all :/

This guy has the right of it..balance the damn game to begin with, then release it. Don't allow something to work, then rework it after someone finds out they enjoy it the way it originally was. Don't freaken tell me playing on the hardest level of the game that it was THAT O.P..because it was only mildly strong in my build and I play on normal.
 
First off..1.0 is not playable..there are too many bugs to even TRY to get thru the game. I found that out the hard way. There is no excuse for releasing a game so damn buggy it can't be played thru without a day one patch, not to mention 5 more damn patches!! People have gotten to the point where they accept sub-par crap upon release and just wait for the plethora of patches that follows to be able to play the game the way it should have been played in the first damn place!!

That's a good point, but I think the problem is more complicated than it seems. The dev's don't always have control over how and when the game gets published. It has a deadline. Perhaps they did not plan as well as possible, tried to do too much in the time they had, but knew with some extra time they could fix up things they didn't have time to review before release.

You have to realize, it's all about money. Whomever the money is coming from to get the game developed wants a return, ASAP, so there is always going to be deadlines. I don't know the background behind the development of this game, but CDPR shouldn't be blamed for every little thing. It's kind of like how everybody in america blames whoever the president is at the time for pretty much any issue with anything.
 
firstly it isnt an RPG,theres no roleplaying in a game where you have such limited options to do anything,everything is set in stone,and nothing you do changes anything other than a few dialogue switchs.

(..)

more arrogance.
in this game you're playing a role instead of a bland faceless nameless everythingless character, it doesn't get much more "role playing" than that

arrogance indeed
 
No swords has 7-8 runes. You must have got a cheat style mod to do it. Again do not blame devs for this when you went ahead and modded it.

I did add some mods basically because 1) I am a sucky gamer 2) I have limited time to try and kill things over and over and 3) I care more about the story and immersion, than the skill in trying to kill things. Thanks for the clarification on the swords.
 
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firstly it isnt an RPG,theres no roleplaying in a game where you have such limited options to do anything,everything is set in stone,and nothing you do changes anything other than a few dialogue switchs.

secondly if you are going to accuse people of jumping to conclusions,dont start the statement by jumping to a conclusion that it "may" be a bug or "maybe" wasnt intended


its always been a problem with games,people naturally assume everyone plays the games the same way they do,so when something is nerfed or removed,if it doesnt affect you,then you think its a crime of some sort to play a game from a different viewpoint.

its arrogance and ignorance on an astounding scale

if joe wants an over powered igni,and then has it taken away,its joes right to be pissed off.

its nobodys right to then spout crap at them because they didnt want an over powered igni.


its a lot easier NOT to use the igni,than to just pander to the "flop em outers" and nerf a game that we paid money for on the premise that it promised a gameplay we like...not you or your play style..thats your business.



and btw...you saying its the greatest rpg this century does not make it so...thats just your opinion.

more arrogance.


^^ THIS. I'm leaving now before I get so mad I smash in my monitor. My bottom line? Have the BALLS to list everything in your patch notes. Don't sneak crap in and then expect people to just deal. If you wanna get right down to it, Its a lie of omission. I'm done with gaming today, and the gaming companies who all seem to think it's ok to only tell half the story when releasing an update or patch. The good, the bad, and the ugly should be told in the patch notes..if we don't like it then, fine, but god damnit, at least we won't feel blindsided by it when we start up the game after yet another patch.
 
in this game you're playing a role instead of a bland faceless nameless everythingless character, it doesn't get much more "role playing" than that

arrogance indeed


thanks for proving my point..

you are not playing a role,you are moving a set character round and doing set tasks.

thats not role playing,unless the role you are playing is a button masher,theres no role other than guiding a character round a set course.


now if you could shape and choose what your created character does,thats a role
play.in this game you cannot,you are simply an extension of the mouse/controller.


games like skyrim and fallout allow role play,the witcher is a witcher...end of story
 
Let's not talk about canon please. CDPR gives opportunity to a wider range of people to play the way they want to. Witchers do not wear heavy armor, witchers do not have witcher senses presented in a game, witchers do not use crossbows - still these features in the game. So, CDPR tries to please everyone and now they simply discourage to play as mages, this is not an appropriate attitude towards players.

Still, Geralt isn't a mage.
laughed loud at that...

swordsmanship ...lmao...you mean mouceclickmanship or buttonmasmanship.

but if they had taken out the magic it would just be a hack n slash,which is a sure way to end a developers income.


the next arguements are usually "they advertised one thing and sold us another" or "they promised us this and gave us that".


also love the way a few call a feature over powered,without the slightest regard for those who like it that way,which then starts arguements aboutkeyboard warriors trying to uphold thier manhood with quotes of "games too easy on hardest" or " i beat it on hardest in 4 seconds"

https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz92b3hSUr1qbmf8z.gif

EDIT: Fuck it seems I can't realize how to put a frigging gif in my post.
 
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The problem is not so much that they nerfed firestream, it's that they made it useless to use over standard igni.

Test it yourself. A standard igni blast will ignite an enemy and burn them for a standard amount of time while dealing respectable damage.

Firestream now ticks for a lot less than a standard igni blast and the ignite stun is only 2 seconds. All whilst you're standing still holding the fire button. There is LITERALLY no reason to use firestream over normal igni now. Not one. I think people are failing to see that this is what is bad about the change. Don't see why people are getting all butthurt about anything outside of this simple fact. The alt version is worse than the standard version now and there is not a single scenario where it would be worth using over a standard blast.

Not to mention melt armor has and still is bugged I believe.
 
Yeah i noticed it when my level 26 Geralt wasn't able to burn to death a level 4 drowner. o_O

"flamethrower" igni is still useable but considerable weaker now...
 
Still, Geralt isn't a mage.
My point is CDPR makes anything out of Geralt to please public - heavy armor master, crossbow master etc, still he uses them in a game not being a knight or a crossbowman. So why not make him signmaster?) Why can not he masterfully use his signs which he was taught to use while the things that he had never done and used before seem quite well?
 
You guys aren't going to get through to someone who simply refuses to look at their own folly rationally. Angry kid wanted to breeze through the game tapping one button. He even stated he enjoyed using Igni as his main weapon. Last I knew a Witcher's main weapon is a sword. But no, this is about the OP's main weapon preference, which clearly is more important than something silly like that. You can always spot an adolescent WoW player on these forums because they are the same ones who will barf tears at how the initial release didn't suit their little agenda then explode with prepubescent outrage when any change made isn't within that predefined scope. You cannot affect the minds of these types of people, and I even hate that I bothered contributing to this thread (/in before 'then why did you?') answer: Because you are a brat who cannot resist shrieking back at every logical post offering a constructive alternative to your hilarious tantrum, and you deserve it. Go play WoW and shriek about nerfs and "balancing" where it might actually apply.

Haha, "Igni as my main weapon" you already used mom's credit card to buy this game so the joke's on you.

And yes, Igni was stupidly overpowered to the point of it almost feeling like an exploit. Kids love exploits.
 
Please stop using arguments like how "unrealistic:" it is for Geralt to be a "mage".
Geralt also isn't someone who after decades of being a witcher carries worse sword and armor than the average infantry from Nilfgaard but quickly within a few weeks have weapons better than the most ancient family heirlooms.

This is a game, this is a question about game design. This is not a Witcher simulator.

The design purpose was for the player to have multiple ways to play. If the design was that Geralt is always primarily a sword user and the other skills are just supplementary then the game will ALWAYS play the same, and that gives NO REPLAY VALUE. Part of the fun of the game is that in a replay you can try the encounters with a different build, one that doesn't focus on swords if you so choose.

I finished the game being a primarily a quick attack/cat school Geralt. I got my taste of playing as a swordsman Geralt. I have recent started a 2nd play through where I want to try something different, to primarily use signs and alchemy and not my sword. Now you tell me that the other skill trees need to be nerfed because "Geralt is not a mage", and I still have to primarily rely on the sword skills, well that just destroyed any reason for me to replay the game.
 
The problem is not so much that they nerfed firestream, it's that they made it useless to use over standard igni.

Test it yourself. A standard igni blast will ignite an enemy and burn them for a standard amount of time while dealing respectable damage.

Firestream now ticks for a lot less than a standard igni blast and the ignite stun is only 2 seconds. All whilst you're standing still holding the fire button. There is LITERALLY no reason to use firestream over normal igni now. Not one. I think people are failing to see that this is what is bad about the change. Don't see why people are getting all butthurt about anything outside of this simple fact. The alt version is worse than the standard version now and there is not a single scenario where it would be worth using over a standard blast.

Not to mention melt armor has and still is bugged I believe.

In the meantime you could try the Better Combat Enhanced mod. One of its changes is to make normal igni unable to burn enemies but deal higher damage, whereas firestream applies burning easily. I tried this mod out with 1.07 and I like the result, with firestream as a stun skill and normal igni as a damage dealer.
 
thanks for proving my point..

you are not playing a role,you are moving a set character round and doing set tasks.

thats not role playing,unless the role you are playing is a button masher,theres no role other than guiding a character round a set course.


now if you could shape and choose what your created character does,thats a role
play.in this game you cannot,you are simply an extension of the mouse/controller.


games like skyrim and fallout allow role play,the witcher is a witcher...end of story

A role-playing game (RPG) is a game in which each participant assumes the role of a character, generally in a fantasy or science fiction setting, that can interact within the game's imaginary world. - Whatis.techtarget.com

A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development. Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines - Wikipedia

Role playing game - You assume the role of a character in a fantasy world and do stuff. - Me
 
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